From: owner-oppositeview-digest@smoe.org (oppositeview-digest) To: oppositeview-digest@smoe.org Subject: oppositeview-digest V3 #61 Reply-To: oppositeview@smoe.org Sender: owner-oppositeview-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-oppositeview-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk oppositeview-digest Saturday, March 3 2001 Volume 03 : Number 061 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: OV: Justin's latest [Kevin Cawthorne ] re: OV: mp3s [greg119@bellatlantic.net] Re: OV: Justin's latest ["Jane Armstrong" ] re: OV: mp3s [Ann.Davies@Metavante.com] Re: OV: Justin's latest [Kevin Cawthorne ] OV: creative celery ["Susan & C. Reid Gardner" ] Re: OV: mp3s [Leah D Schenkenberg ] OV: Damn.... [Jennifer Woyan ] OV: "works for hire" [Darren Holmquist ] Re: OV: creative celery [Debbie Cushing ] Re: OV: creative celery [Moer4472@aol.com] Re: OV: creative celery ["Jane Armstrong" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 10:40:54 +0000 (GMT) From: Kevin Cawthorne Subject: Re: OV: Justin's latest QUOOOOOOOOO (sang like football rant) Ah the good ol' flying angel days :-) Kevin Cawthorne webmaster - The Official Del Amitri Website http://www.delamitri.co.uk - -------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 06:45:55 -0500 From: greg119@bellatlantic.net Subject: re: OV: mp3s Hi All, De-lurking to tell you I found a great acoustic version of "This Side Of The Morning" on Napster the other day. It was apparantly on some compilation called "Cities 97 Sampler" I have it and will share if anyone can't download it before Napster goes bye-bye. (I hope that dosen't happen) Cheers all. Back to Lurking-mode, Greg ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 13:55:59 -0000 From: "Jane Armstrong" Subject: Re: OV: Justin's latest Didn't you tell me Kev, that it was at a Quo gig that you first saw the Dels? And the rest is history........ > QUOOOOOOOOO (sang like football rant) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 08:26:00 -0600 From: Ann.Davies@Metavante.com Subject: re: OV: mp3s Mention of that compilation reminded me that I actually HAVE it on cassette. It was given to me years ago by a friend in Minneapolis. "Cities 97" was/is (? not sure if it's still around) a radio station in Minneapolis, and the Dels recorded the song at a live station performance. I'll have to dig that cassette out again. :-) Back to lurking... Ann in Milwaukee greg119@bellatlantic.net@smoe.org on 03/02/2001 05:45:55 AM Please respond to greg119@bellatlantic.net Sent by: owner-oppositeview@smoe.org Sent From the mail file of: Ann Davies To: "oppositeview-digest@smoe.org" cc: Subject: re: OV: mp3s Hi All, De-lurking to tell you I found a great acoustic version of "This Side Of The Morning" on Napster the other day. It was apparantly on some compilation called "Cities 97 Sampler" I have it and will share if anyone can't download it before Napster goes bye-bye. (I hope that dosen't happen) Cheers all. Back to Lurking-mode, Greg ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 14:55:14 +0000 (GMT) From: Kevin Cawthorne Subject: Re: OV: Justin's latest Yep, That was the first time I saw our lads, and I remember the croud yelling for "Just Like A Man". who'd have though years later.... Kevin Cawthorne webmaster - The Official Del Amitri Website http://www.delamitri.co.uk - -------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 15:05:07 -0500 From: "Susan & C. Reid Gardner" Subject: OV: creative celery Our Justin says: For creative block there's nothing better than a pound and a half of Fox's Glaciers crushed and crammed down one's throat with a little tapwater. Mmmmm-kay. I'll file that one away for when I run out of ideas for new drawings. This record ...it is sweet pop from start to finish like Manilow meets Streisand with a stick of celery up her arse. There are strings and there are chords like angel's wings pinned to the side of a truck with masonry nails. Maybe I should be very very afraid, but this description makes perfect sense to me!!!!!!! I was just looking forward to hearing the new material, but now I know a whole new series of drawings is going to be inspired by it as well! (But not til after I finish the train station, Sue, don't worry...) TTFN Susan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 11:22:58 -0600 From: Leah D Schenkenberg Subject: Re: OV: mp3s cities 97 is still alive and well.....I got third row matchbox twenty tickets from them the other day... they were a better station before another one in minneapolis shut down...cities 97 changed their play list to pick up that demographic, but they are still pretty awesome. Anyways.. Leah On Fri, 2 Mar 2001 08:26:00 -0600 Ann.Davies@Metavante.com writes: > Mention of that compilation reminded me that I actually HAVE it on > cassette. It was given to me years ago by a friend in Minneapolis. > "Cities 97" was/is (? not sure if it's still around) a radio station > in > Minneapolis, and the Dels recorded the song at a live station > performance. > I'll have to dig that cassette out again. :-) > > Back to lurking... > > Ann in Milwaukee > > > > > > greg119@bellatlantic.net@smoe.org on 03/02/2001 05:45:55 AM > > Please respond to greg119@bellatlantic.net > > Sent by: owner-oppositeview@smoe.org > > > Sent From the mail file of: Ann Davies > > > To: "oppositeview-digest@smoe.org" > cc: > > Subject: re: OV: mp3s > > > Hi All, > > De-lurking to tell you I found a great acoustic version of "This > Side Of > The Morning" on Napster the other day. It was apparantly on some > compilation called "Cities 97 Sampler" I have it and will share > if > anyone can't download it before Napster goes bye-bye. (I hope that > dosen't happen) Cheers all. > > Back to Lurking-mode, > > Greg ============ I used to compensate for what I couldn't achieve. I conquered dreams, forgetting what they were. ~ skillet ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 17:22:46 -0600 From: Jennifer Woyan Subject: OV: Damn.... Napster to Block Copyrighted Music Files March 2, 2001 5:19 pm EST By Michael Kahn http://www.iwon.com/home/technology/tech_article/0,2109,48941|technology|03- 02-2001::17:22|reuters,00.html SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - Napster Inc., which won legions of fans around the world by providing all sorts of music for free, will begin blocking access to some one million copyrighted music files this weekend as it seeks to conform with a new legal injunction expected at any time from a federal judge. Lawyers for the popular online song-swap service made their last-ditch bid for corporate survival in a hearing Friday before U.S. District Judge Marilyn Hall Patel, who is drafting the injunction which many fans fear could unplug Napster for good. "I think Napster will still be the best music service out there, (but) it will not be the same," David Boies, lead attorney for the Redwood City, Calif.-based company, said after the hearing. Following more than two hours of argument from lawyers for both Napster and its foes at the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA), Patel said she would begin drafting what she hoped would be a fair and workable injunction order. She did not indicate when it might be issued, but legal experts do not expect a lengthy wait. Facing legal endgame, Napster officials arrived at Patel's hearing on Friday with a strategy designed to buy them more time to rebuild Napster on the right side of the law. The court battle over Napster's future -- which has involved everyone from the company's youthful founder to major rock stars and some of the most famous lawyers in the country -- is a defining case for copyrights in cyberspace and could affect the way books, movies and all entertainment will be distributed online for years to come. NAPSTER OFFERS TO POLICE ITSELF At Friday's hearing, Napster's lawyers said the company was racing to perfect new software to filter out copyrighted material and hoped soon to reach agreement with the recording industry on how to identify such material. "We have come considerably closer together on the issue of an injunction," said attorney David Boies, who represented the Justice Department in its antitrust suit against Microsoft. "Sometime this week we will have completed the software implementation so that these file names will be blocked." Boies said that, as a start, Napster would begin blocking access to some one million files of copyrighted music over the weekend -- the first step in what officials hope will be a new model under which Napster will be allowed to police itself. "This screen will start sometime this weekend," Boies said, adding that additional titles would be added to the blocked list as quickly as possible. While lawyers for the recording industry pointed out that there remained serious questions about how the new screening process would work, the RIAA's president had some rare words of praise for the online company. "We think we made a lot of progress in court today," RIAA President Hilary Rosen said. "It is important for me to give some credit to Napster today." Rosen noted that Napster's agreement to begin filtering out unauthorized song files marked the first time the service had agreed to try to abide by copyright rules. Napster's service has attracted about 60 million users who swap songs for free by trading MP3 files, a compression format that turns music on compact discs into small digital files. The major recording companies, represented by the RIAA, first sued Napster in December 1999, claiming it was a haven for copyright piracy that could cost them billions of dollars in lost sales. Patel issued an injunction last July, but a federal appeals court two days later stayed her ruling pending review. MAJOR BLOW The embattled service was dealt a blow Feb. 12 when a three-judge panel from the appeals court ruled that Napster could be held liable for copyright infringement and that an injunction, which could essentially shut down Napster, was not only warranted but required. In its ruling -- a victory for the recording industry -- the panel ordered Patel to modify the injunction requiring the record labels to identify which of their copyrights were infringed on Napster. Friday's hearing was called to hammer out the details of how such an order would be implemented. Napster has said it does not yet have the technology to sift through the MP3 files that are exchanged by users on its servers and it will be hard for them to set up a system to do that. But on Friday its lawyers said work was progressing fast, although there remained kinks to be worked out. "We are inserting a step between the uplink and the viewing of the index that will block out specific file names," Boies said "The problem is that this will adversely affect performance of the system." The RIAA's lead attorney, Russ Frackman, said questions over how to identify copyrighted material should not be allowed to delay the injunction from taking effect. "We don't believe there should be a negotiation at this late stage over format," Frackman said. While Napster still clearly hopes to reach a deal with the RIAA, it has also requested that is appeal of the injunction order be reheard before the entire appeals court. It has also announced that, along with ally and major investor German media giant Bertelsmann AG (BTGGga.D), it is developing a new, subscription version of its service, expected to be rolled out this summer. The company has also offered the recording industry a five-year $1 billion deal to enable it to swap their music on a new secure service, but this has drawn poor reviews from its main opponents, which include Vivendi Universal's (EAUG.PA) Universal Music, Sony Music (6758.T), Warner Music (AOL.N) and EMI Group Plc (EMI.L). ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 16:22:03 -0800 From: Darren Holmquist Subject: OV: "works for hire" Speaking of decisions... I think this is more important than the whole Napster fiasco, IMHO... * * * * Sheryl Crow testified before the U.S. House of Representatives Subcommittee on Courts and Intellectual Property Thursday. Crow came to Washington to express the sentiments of a number of recording artists; including Don Henley, Billy Joel, and Fleetwood Mac; who are displeased with an amendment made last year to the 1976 Copyright Act that designates sound recordings as "works for hire." According to revised law, a "work for hire" is considered the property of the employer for whom it is created and not of the creator. That means that copyrights to musical works would now belong to the record companies for which they're made, instead of to the recording artists who make them. Prior to the amendment, artists could reclaim the rights to their master recordings after 35 years. "To legislate that the record label should be recognized and credited as the 'author' of the sound recording undermines the framers' intent of the Constitution and goes against my good Midwestern common sense," said Crow in her testimony. "I am the author and creator of my work. "It has been argued that the 'work-for-hire' amendment was necessary to clarify who is the author of the sound recording. There is no confusion in the record industry as to who creates the sound recording," she continued. "A sound recording is the final result of the creative vision, expression, and execution of one person; the featured artist." Artists allege that the change in the law could cost them millions of dollars. They're displeased that the amendment, which was initiated last year by the Recording Industry Association of America, which represents all five major record labels, was signed in November by President Clinton without a hearing. Michael Green, president and CEO of the Recording Academy, and Marci Hamilton, a professor at Yeshiva University's Cardozo School of Law, also testified on behalf of the artists' concerns. Other artists on hand at the hearing were Mary Chapin Carpenter, Deana Carter, and '60s girl group legend Ronnie Spector. Representatives for the recording industry included RIAA President and CEO Hilary Rosen. Notably missing from the hearing was Don Henley, who has spearheaded protests against the "work-for-hire" amendment. His absence drew fire from Subcommittee Chairman Howard Coble. Although the North Carolina Republican opted to delete harsh remarks aimed at Henley, they appeared in his written testimony, which was distributed to the press after the hearing. He blasted the former Eagles frontman, whose new album, Inside Job, features a title cut that criticizes the amendment, for opting to prepare for his A&E Live by Request concert taping in Austin, Texas, instead of appearing at the hearing. "Mr. Henley, if you are within the sound of my voice," he wrote, "I hope you get carpal tunnel syndrome from counting all the money you make compliments of the Copyright Act and the Congress which wrote it." Coble later told the Hollywood Reporter that he opted to drop his attack on Henley, penned by his staff, because he was concerned that it was too harsh. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 18:01:52 -0800 (PST) From: Debbie Cushing Subject: Re: OV: creative celery Yeah, but what is Fox's Glaciers anyway? Is it a UK thing or just some regional US treats I've never heard of. curious minds want to know! debbie - --- "Susan & C. Reid Gardner" wrote: > Our Justin says: > For creative block there's > nothing better than a pound and a half > of Fox's Glaciers crushed and crammed > down one's throat with a little tapwater. > > Mmmmm-kay. I'll file that one away for when I run > out of ideas for new > drawings. > > This record ...it is sweet pop from start to finish > like Manilow meets Streisand with a stick of celery > up her arse. > There are strings and there are chords like angel's > wings pinned to the side of a truck with masonry > nails. > > Maybe I should be very very afraid, but this > description makes perfect > sense to me!!!!!!! > I was just looking forward to hearing the new > material, but now I know a > whole new series of drawings is going to be inspired > by it as well! > (But not til after I finish the train station, Sue, > don't worry...) > > TTFN > Susan Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 22:53:12 EST From: Moer4472@aol.com Subject: Re: OV: creative celery Yeah, but what is Fox's Glaciers anyway? Is it a UK thing or just some regional US treats I've never heard of. Thanks for asking --- I thought I was the only one who did not know, being in a small southern town. moe ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 09:48:08 -0000 From: "Jane Armstrong" Subject: Re: OV: creative celery > Yeah, but what is Fox's Glaciers anyway? Is it a UK > thing or just some regional US treats I've never heard > of. Fox's Glacier Mints are hard boiled clear mints - famous for being called Fox's but having a polar bear standing on top of a glacier mint on the wrapping. http://www.rugbylass.co.uk/newzealand8.htm and http://www.tonycuthbert.com/ca.htm have photos if you're remotely interested. And Gareth Southgate is a footballer who missed a goal during a crucial penalty shoot-out for England against Germany in some European championship. And yes, he does have a rather equine visage. http://members.home.net/studnib/southgate.html and http://www.why.com.cn/realize/soccer/eng/Southgate.htm And another thing, candyfloss is known as cotton candy in the US. Jane ------------------------------ End of oppositeview-digest V3 #61 *********************************