From: owner-oppositeview-digest@smoe.org (oppositeview-digest) To: oppositeview-digest@smoe.org Subject: oppositeview-digest V3 #39 Reply-To: oppositeview@smoe.org Sender: owner-oppositeview-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-oppositeview-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk oppositeview-digest Friday, February 9 2001 Volume 03 : Number 039 Today's Subjects: ----------------- OV: weeds [=?iso-8859-1?q?Chris=20Quartly?= ] RE: OV: The death of the album [James.Hopping@icl.com] RE: OV: Re: Weeds NO DELS CONTENT [James.Hopping@icl.com] Re: OV: weeds [Aleksandr ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 05:12:55 -0800 (PST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Chris=20Quartly?= Subject: OV: weeds seems to have gone a bit quiet on the weed/tree debate, I know a lot of people are interested in this. If someone wants to make a tree that's cool, if not I'd be ready to start a weed. Also we should decide what can be distributed, if someone sends me a copy of the Radio 2 concert from last year on CD, I will make 4 copies and send them to the first 4 volunteers I get to continue the weed to get things moving. Cheers Chris Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 09:28:04 -0000 From: James.Hopping@icl.com Subject: RE: OV: The death of the album I remember a discussion on a radio station several weeks ago (BBC Radio 1 I think) about this very subject and they were saying that good tracks always seem to come around 5 or 6 on an album and wondering if this was to do with the way that often the first track on side two was always a killer in the past. What do you reckon? Jim - -----Original Message----- From: Jen Woyan [mailto:jenwoyan@xsite.net] Sent: 02 February 2001 05:45 To: Aleksandr; Chuck Simmons Cc: oppositeview-digest@smoe.org Subject: Re: OV: The death of the album I have to agree re: track placement - why else would virtually every teenager/college student going back 20+ years spend more time making mix tapes/CD's than studying? But I've noticed Track 4 standing out over the years...I think I made a mix tape for someone's b-day based upon that principle. Cheers, Jen - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aleksandr" To: "Chuck Simmons" Cc: Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 11:27 PM Subject: Re: OV: The death of the album > Hm. that's true enough. I do rememebr certain album sides sucking so bad > that you'd think they were different bands. > > And remember 'High Fidelity' and Rob (Cusack) telling us how important it > was to have the right song in the right place when you make a tape - > albums must work on the same principle. > > Anyone noticed a trend for certain bands to put killer tracks in the same > place on the album? Most notable for me is marc cohn - track 11 is always > a fantastic track.... > > Cheers, > > AL > > - > "It is better to travel alone than with a fool, but what may two fools > do?" > > I don't understand the question. It's the rest of the world that's strange. > -- Impulse > > To all those people who call me paranoid. I'm not. So there. > > http://turn.to/the_ALpha > > > On Thu, 1 Feb 2001, Chuck Simmons wrote: > > > Kelly wrote: > > > > "In light of a comment Alison made, let me say that I've done the same > > thing: There might not be a physical Del Amitri CD on the list above, > > but that's because I, too, have converted all of their CDs to MP3s which > > live on my computer for convenient listening. I have playlists of the > > albums individually, but what's really fun is putting the "all albums > > together" list on shuffle and enjoying a good mix." > > > > I've always been a big fan of the album format, but I'm worried that we will > > see its end in the next ten years. MP3s, and even CD changers seem to have > > sucked a lot of the life out of a continuous string of songs. When the > > album disappears, I'll be sad. There is something beautiful and creative to > > album sequencing, especially for a really great album (picture Waking Hours > > starting with Nothing Ever Happens or Empty). The "album side" went away > > long ago (U2's War, side one, is probably my favorite of all time), and the > > album will be next. > > > > What do you think? Is there hope in the long-term future? > > > > Chuck ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 11:38:46 -0000 From: James.Hopping@icl.com Subject: RE: OV: Re: Weeds NO DELS CONTENT As a not very technical person all this talk of Trees and Weeds leads me to believe I have stumbled onto a gardening mailing list! Jim - -----Original Message----- From: Chris Quartly [mailto:c_quartly@yahoo.com] Sent: 02 February 2001 09:11 To: oppositeview@smoe.org Subject: Re: OV: Re: Weeds NO DELS CONTENT I think that DAO is almost essential in live shows. Personally I don't mind if it's a tree or a weed, both have pros and cons. If someone wants to set up a tree system then it does work but with weeds you can start it quicker because you don't have to spend time drawing up a tree system, with a weed you just announce on-list that you are ready to continue the weed and ask for three more volunteers to send to. Plus I have said before that we need to encorporate people without CD burners into the system so they are not forgotten in the system. To save on postage cost it will probably be better to have two seperate weeds, one in the states and the UK. Obviously we have OV'ers that live in the rest of the world so that can be broken down as well. Cheers Chris - --- "Holmquist, Darren" wrote: > OV Productions is something I've put on all my dupes > of shows... > > My experience with trading trees/weeds, is that not > everyone has the DAO > capability. For me that ruins a show, having that 1 > second gap between > tracks on a live show. I know some people don't > care, they just want it. > > I think it'd be better to set up a network of folks > who do use DAO (Disc At > Once). I mean, we can try it both ways to see > which works best, which > OVers like best. With the Trading Tree I think the > discs get out to > everyone faster. I don't know... I've never really > done a "Weed". > > Peace, > Darren __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 09:12:45 +1100 (EST) From: Aleksandr Subject: Re: OV: weeds I'm still in! Al - - "It is better to travel alone than with a fool, but what may two fools do?" I don't understand the question. It's the rest of the world that's strange. - -- Impulse To all those people who call me paranoid. I'm not. So there. http://turn.to/the_ALpha On Thu, 8 Feb 2001, [iso-8859-1] Chris Quartly wrote: > seems to have gone a bit quiet on the weed/tree > debate, I know a lot of people are interested in this. > If someone wants to make a tree that's cool, if not > I'd be ready to start a weed. > > Also we should decide what can be distributed, if > someone sends me a copy of the Radio 2 concert from > last year on CD, I will make 4 copies and send them to > the first 4 volunteers I get to continue the weed to > get things moving. > > Cheers > Chris > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 > a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ End of oppositeview-digest V3 #39 *********************************