From: owner-oppositeview-digest@smoe.org (oppositeview-digest) To: oppositeview-digest@smoe.org Subject: oppositeview-digest V3 #32 Reply-To: oppositeview@smoe.org Sender: owner-oppositeview-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-oppositeview-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk oppositeview-digest Friday, February 2 2001 Volume 03 : Number 032 Today's Subjects: ----------------- OV: no dels content--clarifications [Kelly Doudna ] OV: Tid Bit ["Jamie Petta" ] Re: OV: Last to know songs ["Jen Woyan" ] Re: OV: Last to know songs [Aleksandr ] OV: The death of the album ["Chuck Simmons" ] OV: RE: The death of the album ["Alison Bellach" ] Re: OV: The death of the album [Aleksandr ] Re: OV: The death of the album [Leah D Schenkenberg ] OV: song linkage ["Ed Minton" ] OV: Re: song linkage ["Jane Armstrong" ] OV: Re: The death of the album ["Jane Armstrong" ] Re: OV: Re: Weeds NO DELS CONTENT [=?iso-8859-1?q?Chris=20Quartly?= Subject: OV: no dels content--clarifications Regarding Travis and Coldplay: I didn't say the US press shuns them, nor did I say all press shun them. It's actually the U.K. reviewers that I was thinking of--I have, on occasion, heard both bands dismissed as pandering to the lowest common denominator. We generally seem to love them over here. As I know how detail-oriented some folks are, let me also say, about my CD list, that I should have said something like "'solo album' bent" as I realize that not all three are lead vocalists. Will check out Spearmint, thanks for the suggestion. For those of you in the Twin Cities area, Stereophonics will be playing an "acoustic" show at the 400 Bar in Minneapolis on Feb. 14. Happy Valentine's Day. http://www.400bar.com Kelly Minneapolis ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 19:20:56 -0500 From: "Jamie Petta" Subject: OV: Tid Bit I'm fairly new to the list, and I have an amusing Dels story. I've only seen them twice, here in upstate New York. The second gig, my boss's daughter was there. I believe it was the bass player she approached (the band was on a break, and he was hanging around), and asked if he would please take her back stage to meet Justin. "I just want to meet him once -- PLEASE! I just want to give him a hug", she begged. To which the bass player replied in his wonderful accent, "Well, I don't think he'd piss on you if you were on fire, darlin', but I'll give you a hug." And she did. I just love that story. It will be forever embedded in my mind. [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 18:56:22 -0600 From: "Jen Woyan" Subject: Re: OV: Last to know songs The live recording by Travis of "...Baby One More Time" on Napster is from last year's Glasto and waaay more accurately portrays this tune as a straight boy's heartbroken love song - seriously...no, really...I'm not kidding - download it and see (it's not available commercially, so no harm, no foul...) Cheers, Jen 24 hours and counting..... - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Espen Kvalheim" To: Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 7:09 PM Subject: Re: OV: Last to know songs > Sheesh - Britney Spears (yuck). Still, Travis do an excellent cover of her > "Hit me baby one more time", they slow it down, and it's just two guys on > guitars. I think it's a B-side on one of their singles, done as a > live-recording (I found it on Napster). They recorded it exclusively for VH1 > in a studio somewhere, and made a very good job at it, but I've seen that > only once. > > /Espen > > > From: Leah D Schenkenberg > > Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 08:21:53 -0600 > > To: oppositeview@smoe.org > > Subject: OV: Last to know songs > > > > I know that Reba McEntire has a song called "the last one to know" and we > > have DA "always the last to know", and now presumable a Britney song > > approaching (oh wow, I'm overflowing with joy). > > > > Who else has songs by this title? > > > > Leah > > > > > > > > > >>> Britney Spears is getting good reviews on her upcoming video for > > "Don't Let Me Be the Last to Know," the fourth video from her > > eight-times platinum album, "Oops! ... I Did It Again." > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 12:12:01 +1100 (EST) From: Aleksandr Subject: Re: OV: Last to know songs I think i heard them or someone do it on TripleM (local Rock format station here in Sydney). It's actually quite a good song. What's got me *really* worried at the moment is the Toni Basil "Mickey", which B*Witched covered, and the lyrics i am hearing are really making me wonder about their clean cut image... AL - - "It is better to travel alone than with a fool, but what may two fools do?" To all those people who call me paranoid. I'm not. So there. http://turn.to/the_ALpha On Thu, 1 Feb 2001, Jen Woyan wrote: > The live recording by Travis of "...Baby One More Time" on Napster is from > last year's Glasto and waaay more accurately portrays this tune as a > straight boy's heartbroken love song - seriously...no, really...I'm not > kidding - download it and see (it's not available commercially, so no harm, > no foul...) > > Cheers, > Jen > > 24 hours and counting..... > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Espen Kvalheim" > To: > Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 7:09 PM > Subject: Re: OV: Last to know songs > > > > Sheesh - Britney Spears (yuck). Still, Travis do an excellent cover of her > > "Hit me baby one more time", they slow it down, and it's just two guys on > > guitars. I think it's a B-side on one of their singles, done as a > > live-recording (I found it on Napster). They recorded it exclusively for > VH1 > > in a studio somewhere, and made a very good job at it, but I've seen that > > only once. > > > > /Espen > > > > > From: Leah D Schenkenberg > > > Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 08:21:53 -0600 > > > To: oppositeview@smoe.org > > > Subject: OV: Last to know songs > > > > > > I know that Reba McEntire has a song called "the last one to know" and > we > > > have DA "always the last to know", and now presumable a Britney song > > > approaching (oh wow, I'm overflowing with joy). > > > > > > Who else has songs by this title? > > > > > > Leah > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> Britney Spears is getting good reviews on her upcoming video for > > > "Don't Let Me Be the Last to Know," the fourth video from her > > > eight-times platinum album, "Oops! ... I Did It Again." > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > > > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > > > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > > > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > > > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 23:47:03 -0500 From: "Chuck Simmons" Subject: OV: The death of the album Kelly wrote: "In light of a comment Alison made, let me say that I've done the same thing: There might not be a physical Del Amitri CD on the list above, but that's because I, too, have converted all of their CDs to MP3s which live on my computer for convenient listening. I have playlists of the albums individually, but what's really fun is putting the "all albums together" list on shuffle and enjoying a good mix." I've always been a big fan of the album format, but I'm worried that we will see its end in the next ten years. MP3s, and even CD changers seem to have sucked a lot of the life out of a continuous string of songs. When the album disappears, I'll be sad. There is something beautiful and creative to album sequencing, especially for a really great album (picture Waking Hours starting with Nothing Ever Happens or Empty). The "album side" went away long ago (U2's War, side one, is probably my favorite of all time), and the album will be next. What do you think? Is there hope in the long-term future? Chuck ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 21:19:16 -0800 From: "Alison Bellach" Subject: OV: RE: The death of the album > What do you think? Is there hope in the long-term future? Actually, I don't think there is anything to worry about until we actually get good players out. Right now, they are too small and too expensive. It'll be a while. Plus, there are incredible problems with ownership issues, right? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 16:27:52 +1100 (EST) From: Aleksandr Subject: Re: OV: The death of the album Hm. that's true enough. I do rememebr certain album sides sucking so bad that you'd think they were different bands. And remember 'High Fidelity' and Rob (Cusack) telling us how important it was to have the right song in the right place when you make a tape - albums must work on the same principle. Anyone noticed a trend for certain bands to put killer tracks in the same place on the album? Most notable for me is marc cohn - track 11 is always a fantastic track.... Cheers, AL - - "It is better to travel alone than with a fool, but what may two fools do?" I don't understand the question. It's the rest of the world that's strange. - -- Impulse To all those people who call me paranoid. I'm not. So there. http://turn.to/the_ALpha On Thu, 1 Feb 2001, Chuck Simmons wrote: > Kelly wrote: > > "In light of a comment Alison made, let me say that I've done the same > thing: There might not be a physical Del Amitri CD on the list above, > but that's because I, too, have converted all of their CDs to MP3s which > live on my computer for convenient listening. I have playlists of the > albums individually, but what's really fun is putting the "all albums > together" list on shuffle and enjoying a good mix." > > I've always been a big fan of the album format, but I'm worried that we will > see its end in the next ten years. MP3s, and even CD changers seem to have > sucked a lot of the life out of a continuous string of songs. When the > album disappears, I'll be sad. There is something beautiful and creative to > album sequencing, especially for a really great album (picture Waking Hours > starting with Nothing Ever Happens or Empty). The "album side" went away > long ago (U2's War, side one, is probably my favorite of all time), and the > album will be next. > > What do you think? Is there hope in the long-term future? > > Chuck ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 23:21:46 -0600 From: Leah D Schenkenberg Subject: Re: OV: The death of the album As much as I love the CD changer at home for letting me listen to all my favorites jumbled together like my own personal radio station, I don't like my random button the CD player here on some CDs. For a lot it's ok, but I have to listen to Twisted as a continuous string...the songs lead right into the next,a nd start with me sounds weird without food for songs before it...same with Might as well be you. If I just start the track, it loses a lot. Leah On Thu, 1 Feb 2001 23:47:03 -0500 "Chuck Simmons" writes: > I've always been a big fan of the album format, but I'm worried that > we will > see its end in the next ten years. MP3s, and even CD changers seem > to have > sucked a lot of the life out of a continuous string of songs. When > the > album disappears, I'll be sad. There is something beautiful and > creative to > album sequencing, especially for a really great album (picture > Waking Hours > starting with Nothing Ever Happens or Empty). T ============ I used to compensate for what I couldn't achieve. I conquered dreams, forgetting what they were. ~ skillet ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 23:44:54 -0600 From: "Jen Woyan" Subject: Re: OV: The death of the album I have to agree re: track placement - why else would virtually every teenager/college student going back 20+ years spend more time making mix tapes/CD's than studying? But I've noticed Track 4 standing out over the years...I think I made a mix tape for someone's b-day based upon that principle. Cheers, Jen - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aleksandr" To: "Chuck Simmons" Cc: Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 11:27 PM Subject: Re: OV: The death of the album > Hm. that's true enough. I do rememebr certain album sides sucking so bad > that you'd think they were different bands. > > And remember 'High Fidelity' and Rob (Cusack) telling us how important it > was to have the right song in the right place when you make a tape - > albums must work on the same principle. > > Anyone noticed a trend for certain bands to put killer tracks in the same > place on the album? Most notable for me is marc cohn - track 11 is always > a fantastic track.... > > Cheers, > > AL > > - > "It is better to travel alone than with a fool, but what may two fools > do?" > > I don't understand the question. It's the rest of the world that's strange. > -- Impulse > > To all those people who call me paranoid. I'm not. So there. > > http://turn.to/the_ALpha > > > On Thu, 1 Feb 2001, Chuck Simmons wrote: > > > Kelly wrote: > > > > "In light of a comment Alison made, let me say that I've done the same > > thing: There might not be a physical Del Amitri CD on the list above, > > but that's because I, too, have converted all of their CDs to MP3s which > > live on my computer for convenient listening. I have playlists of the > > albums individually, but what's really fun is putting the "all albums > > together" list on shuffle and enjoying a good mix." > > > > I've always been a big fan of the album format, but I'm worried that we will > > see its end in the next ten years. MP3s, and even CD changers seem to have > > sucked a lot of the life out of a continuous string of songs. When the > > album disappears, I'll be sad. There is something beautiful and creative to > > album sequencing, especially for a really great album (picture Waking Hours > > starting with Nothing Ever Happens or Empty). The "album side" went away > > long ago (U2's War, side one, is probably my favorite of all time), and the > > album will be next. > > > > What do you think? Is there hope in the long-term future? > > > > Chuck ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 23:40:02 -0600 From: "Ed Minton" Subject: OV: song linkage To me, "Long Journey Home" is the sequel to "Driving With the Brakes On." See, it wasn't an abortion, the kid was given up for adoption. Eddie in Missouri ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 08:28:01 -0000 From: "Jane Armstrong" Subject: OV: Re: song linkage > To me, "Long Journey Home" is the sequel to "Driving With the Brakes On." > > See, it wasn't an abortion, the kid was given up for adoption. Hey Ed - that makes a lot of sense - and is a much nicer prospect. One doesn't generally talk about an aborted foetus as being a "kid" either. Jane ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 08:35:21 -0000 From: "Jane Armstrong" Subject: OV: Re: The death of the album I still mourn the passing of vinyl. I miss getting that record home and studying the album sleeve in all its detail (who can actually read the print on CD sleeves? I can't even with my strongest reading glasses on!). And then the smell..... there's nothing like the smell of new vinyl. I'm so thrilled when I actually find anywhere that sells real records. And there's an Interview Disc which came out around the time of HoR where Justin and Iain discuss the order of the songs on HoR - they didn't want to put it in chronological order because they didn't want to start with Nothing Ever Happens - as it would mean all the gloomy ones were at the beginning. They juggled around for ages to get the order just right. But I think people will always want a physical album/CD/minidisc to hold and look at. Mind you - it would make for a lot more room in my house if I converted to MP3. We've still got almost 1000 albums between us and at least 500 CDs! Jane ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 01:10:32 -0800 (PST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Chris=20Quartly?= Subject: Re: OV: Re: Weeds NO DELS CONTENT I think that DAO is almost essential in live shows. Personally I don't mind if it's a tree or a weed, both have pros and cons. If someone wants to set up a tree system then it does work but with weeds you can start it quicker because you don't have to spend time drawing up a tree system, with a weed you just announce on-list that you are ready to continue the weed and ask for three more volunteers to send to. Plus I have said before that we need to encorporate people without CD burners into the system so they are not forgotten in the system. To save on postage cost it will probably be better to have two seperate weeds, one in the states and the UK. Obviously we have OV'ers that live in the rest of the world so that can be broken down as well. Cheers Chris - --- "Holmquist, Darren" wrote: > OV Productions is something I've put on all my dupes > of shows... > > My experience with trading trees/weeds, is that not > everyone has the DAO > capability. For me that ruins a show, having that 1 > second gap between > tracks on a live show. I know some people don't > care, they just want it. > > I think it'd be better to set up a network of folks > who do use DAO (Disc At > Once). I mean, we can try it both ways to see > which works best, which > OVers like best. With the Trading Tree I think the > discs get out to > everyone faster. I don't know... I've never really > done a "Weed". > > Peace, > Darren __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! 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