From: owner-oppositeview-digest@smoe.org (oppositeview-digest) To: oppositeview-digest@smoe.org Subject: oppositeview-digest V3 #31 Reply-To: oppositeview@smoe.org Sender: owner-oppositeview-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-oppositeview-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk oppositeview-digest Thursday, February 1 2001 Volume 03 : Number 031 Today's Subjects: ----------------- OV: Re: Heads up Hiatt fans- no Dels ["S Meyer" ] Re: OV: RE: Whiskey Remorse/Be my Downfall [Espen Kvalheim ] OV: Re: RE: Whiskey Remorse/Be my Downfall ["S Meyer" ] Re: OV: RE: Whiskey Remorse/Be my Downfall ["Libby Graham" ] OV: RE: in my CD player [Hopping James W ] OV: Some photos ["Jane Armstrong" ] OV: RE: Re: Re: RE: Whiskey Remorse/Be my Downfall [Hopping James W ] RE: OV: Last to know songs [Hopping James W ] Re: OV: One Thing Left To Do ["Jane Armstrong" ] Re: OV: Last to know songs ["Jane Armstrong" ] Re: OV: Re: Weeds ["Susan & C. Reid Gardner" ] OV: Whiskey Remorse ["Chris Fleming" ] OV: One thing left to do .... [Moer4472@aol.com] OV: Re: Weeds NO DELS CONTENT ["Holmquist, Darren" ] Re: OV: Last to know songs ["Jane Armstrong" ] Re: OV: Re: Weeds [Aleksandr ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 07:11:38 -0600 From: "S Meyer" Subject: OV: Re: Heads up Hiatt fans- no Dels "Prairie Home Companion." Hey Eddie in Missouri~ Where might I find this? Cindy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 14:17:55 -0800 From: Espen Kvalheim Subject: Re: OV: RE: Whiskey Remorse/Be my Downfall I've always related to BMD, since I once sat on a bus-station in a small village in Portugal feeling many of the same emotions described in that song. I've never really related it to WR (which I don't know that well) before, though. But if we're going out on that limb - which song would fit in after "Die For You"? ;-) /Espen > From: Hopping James W > Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 10:28:49 -0000 > To: oppositeview@smoe.org > Subject: OV: RE: Whiskey Remorse/Be my Downfall > > I can see why WR could be seen as the day after BMD, but personally (and > thats what lyrics are all about) I don't feel they fit together in that way. > My take on WR is its just a guy sitting at a bar wondering how he managed to > get so low (along the lines of Long Way Down). I love WR and it is possibly > my fave Dels song. I love the way it sort of wraps round to the beginning, > in the way a drunk thinks round in circles. As for the 'Hundred ways of > hurting you...' explain that by listening to lyrics in 'The First Rule of > Love'. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: Leah D Schenkenberg [mailto:qualinestiprincess@juno.com] > Sent: 31 January 2001 21:56 > To: oppositeview@smoe.org > Subject: OV: Whiskey Remorse/Be my Downfall > > > Just a little disclaimer at the top here that this is posted by a self > proclaimed lyrical obsessive. > > Justin has refered to WR being the morning after to Be My Downfall. I > was talking to a DA fan who downloaded WR from me and heard it for the > first time last night (and then commented "whoa, bring out the razor > blades" after hearing both that and Evidence). I told him that Justin > had said it was "kind of like the morning after Be my Downfall" on the > live track of WR, and he challenged me on that today. > > I had always thought that the "girl I used to know" was sung about the > girl that he was supposed to meet in be my downfall, and in WR, he's > singing about his regret of cheating on her (and subsequently losing > her). > > but now I'm wondering...is the "girl I used to know" the one that he > stayed back with in Be My downfall? and then he ditched out on her? If > you think of be my downfall strictly as one night, and whiskey remorse as > strictly the next morning, it would seem so. > > Also in WR, was it the girl that cheated? : She has a hundred ways of > hurting you... > > and I KNOW we've talked about not reading into lyrics because sometimes > they just rhyme well and don't necessarily have to make sense (anybody up > for a rousing game of "let's figure out When I Want You?"), but I'm just > curious as to what others personally think about these lyrics. I like > the context of "morning after" given to WR, but I'm not sure how to make > it work in my own brain. And being a self proclaimed lyrical obsessive, > I'm just looking for some others opinions. > > Leah > > > ============ > > I used to compensate for what I couldn't achieve. > I conquered dreams, forgetting what they were. > ~ skillet > > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 07:26:41 -0600 From: "S Meyer" Subject: OV: No Dels - Hiatt >are there many john hiatt fans on the list? I'm one. I first got into him when (for a few fleeting months in Milwaukee) we had a good radio station. They played Perfectly Good Guitar, Have a Little Faith in Me, and Cry Love, and I called the radio station, asking "Who IS this wonderful musician???" (They even played the Dels on that station!!) That was a few years back, shortly before John's "Best Of" came out, which I promptly bought. I have nearly all of them now, some on CD and some on tape that another OV'er (Louanne) kindly made for me. I think Ed might have made me one,too. My favorite CD is hard to pick ~ I really like "Walk On" a lot. But I think the one that actually travels with me the most is the "Best Of" simply because it's such a great mix of the songs I want to hear. I love Buffalo River Home, Drive South, Feels Like Rain, Riding with the King, Tennessee Plates, and certainly Memphis in the Meantime. > "..there ought to be a law, without no bail, > smash a guitar and you go to jail, > ....(something)..no early parole, > you don't get out until you get some soul.." I hear this as: "There oughtta be a law, with no bail, Smash your guitar and you go to jail, With no chance of early parole, You don't get out until you get some soul." The new disk "Crossing Muddy Waters" is acoustic, with lots of guitar, banjo and mandolin, and I love it. Cindy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 07:33:00 -0600 From: "S Meyer" Subject: OV: Re: RE: Whiskey Remorse/Be my Downfall > My take on WR is its just a guy sitting at a bar wondering how he managed to > get so low (along the lines of Long Way Down). I love WR and it is possibly > my fave Dels song. I love the way it sort of wraps round to the beginning, > in the way a drunk thinks round in circles. I agree ~ this is how I've always seen this song. And he's not the only drunken, heartbroken guy whose managed to get this low. All the "kings of comedy compare their tattered souls." Outstanding lyrics and a very visual song. Can't you picture them all sitting there at the bar? Cindy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 13:37:21 -0000 From: Hopping James W Subject: RE: OV: RE: Whiskey Remorse/Be my Downfall How about 'Just Like a Man'? Jim - -----Original Message----- From: Espen Kvalheim [mailto:espen@kvalheim.com] Sent: 01 February 2001 22:18 To: oppositeview@smoe.org Subject: Re: OV: RE: Whiskey Remorse/Be my Downfall I've always related to BMD, since I once sat on a bus-station in a small village in Portugal feeling many of the same emotions described in that song. I've never really related it to WR (which I don't know that well) before, though. But if we're going out on that limb - which song would fit in after "Die For You"? ;-) /Espen > From: Hopping James W > Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 10:28:49 -0000 > To: oppositeview@smoe.org > Subject: OV: RE: Whiskey Remorse/Be my Downfall > > I can see why WR could be seen as the day after BMD, but personally (and > thats what lyrics are all about) I don't feel they fit together in that way. > My take on WR is its just a guy sitting at a bar wondering how he managed to > get so low (along the lines of Long Way Down). I love WR and it is possibly > my fave Dels song. I love the way it sort of wraps round to the beginning, > in the way a drunk thinks round in circles. As for the 'Hundred ways of > hurting you...' explain that by listening to lyrics in 'The First Rule of > Love'. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: Leah D Schenkenberg [mailto:qualinestiprincess@juno.com] > Sent: 31 January 2001 21:56 > To: oppositeview@smoe.org > Subject: OV: Whiskey Remorse/Be my Downfall > > > Just a little disclaimer at the top here that this is posted by a self > proclaimed lyrical obsessive. > > Justin has refered to WR being the morning after to Be My Downfall. I > was talking to a DA fan who downloaded WR from me and heard it for the > first time last night (and then commented "whoa, bring out the razor > blades" after hearing both that and Evidence). I told him that Justin > had said it was "kind of like the morning after Be my Downfall" on the > live track of WR, and he challenged me on that today. > > I had always thought that the "girl I used to know" was sung about the > girl that he was supposed to meet in be my downfall, and in WR, he's > singing about his regret of cheating on her (and subsequently losing > her). > > but now I'm wondering...is the "girl I used to know" the one that he > stayed back with in Be My downfall? and then he ditched out on her? If > you think of be my downfall strictly as one night, and whiskey remorse as > strictly the next morning, it would seem so. > > Also in WR, was it the girl that cheated? : She has a hundred ways of > hurting you... > > and I KNOW we've talked about not reading into lyrics because sometimes > they just rhyme well and don't necessarily have to make sense (anybody up > for a rousing game of "let's figure out When I Want You?"), but I'm just > curious as to what others personally think about these lyrics. I like > the context of "morning after" given to WR, but I'm not sure how to make > it work in my own brain. And being a self proclaimed lyrical obsessive, > I'm just looking for some others opinions. > > Leah > > > ============ > > I used to compensate for what I couldn't achieve. > I conquered dreams, forgetting what they were. > ~ skillet > > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 13:41:35 -0000 From: Hopping James W Subject: OV: RE: RE: Whiskey Remorse/Be my Downfall Yep, it really is a 'Visual' song. Can you imagine how good a video you could make to go with it? Jim - -----Original Message----- From: S Meyer [mailto:scsmeyer@nconnect.net] Sent: 01 February 2001 13:33 To: Hopping James W; oppositeview@smoe.org Subject: Re: RE: Whiskey Remorse/Be my Downfall > My take on WR is its just a guy sitting at a bar wondering how he managed to > get so low (along the lines of Long Way Down). I love WR and it is possibly > my fave Dels song. I love the way it sort of wraps round to the beginning, > in the way a drunk thinks round in circles. I agree ~ this is how I've always seen this song. And he's not the only drunken, heartbroken guy whose managed to get this low. All the "kings of comedy compare their tattered souls." Outstanding lyrics and a very visual song. Can't you picture them all sitting there at the bar? Cindy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 08:19:13 -0600 From: Leah D Schenkenberg Subject: Re: OV: RE: Whiskey Remorse/Be my Downfall If you take "One Thing Left To Do" (Die for you) as seriously as a lyrical obsessive like myself would, there wouldn't be a song to go after it. He'd be dead. Leah > But if we're going out on that limb - which song would fit in after > "Die For > You"? ;-) > > /Espen > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 09:19:38 -0600 From: Kelly Doudna Subject: OV: in my CD player Hello, I always delurk for this thread. Today I'm on a "lead singer" bent: Chris Cornell--Euphoria Morning Scott Weiland--12 Bar Blues Jerry Cantrell--Boggy Depot The Adventures--Sea of Love XTC--Nonsuch In light of a comment Alison made, let me say that I've done the same thing: There might not be a physical Del Amitri CD on the list above, but that's because I, too, have converted all of their CDs to MP3s which live on my computer for convenient listening. I have playlists of the albums individually, but what's really fun is putting the "all albums together" list on shuffle and enjoying a good mix. And, incidentally, since they both have been mentioned frequently on this list, the only other CDs that I have MP3-ized are "The Man Who..." and "Parachutes." They may be shunned by some of the press, but darn it, I think they kick you-know-what! And, Sandeep, a friend of mine in London knows of you and your web site, as he is also a huge Spurs fan. He asked if I knew you because of the Del Amitri links on your site and I said yes, he's on the list. Small world, eh? (I know you don't know me from Adam.) Kelly Minneapolis ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 15:17:56 -0000 From: "Libby Graham" Subject: Re: OV: RE: Whiskey Remorse/Be my Downfall But does it actually say that they did it .......?? It's a contemplation of suicide song, not necessarily the proof that the person went through with it. Do I hear shouts of "pedant" coming my way? Libby - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leah D Schenkenberg" To: Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 2:19 PM Subject: Re: OV: RE: Whiskey Remorse/Be my Downfall > If you take "One Thing Left To Do" (Die for you) as seriously as a > lyrical obsessive like myself would, there wouldn't be a song to go after > it. He'd be dead. > > Leah > > > > But if we're going out on that limb - which song would fit in after > > "Die For > > You"? ;-) > > > > /Espen > > > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 14:27:55 -0000 From: "Jane Armstrong" Subject: OV: Re: Re: RE: Whiskey Remorse/Be my Downfall >I love the way it sort of wraps round to the > beginning, > > in the way a drunk thinks round in circles. > > I agree ~ this is how I've always seen this song. And he's not the only > drunken, heartbroken guy whose managed to get this low. All the "kings of > comedy compare their tattered souls." Outstanding lyrics and a very visual > song. Can't you picture them all sitting there at the bar? So true - and isn't there ALWAYS someone like that in a bar on a Friday night - I feel I know the person in Whiskey Remorse. And I also feel sometimes that Be My Downfall and It Might As Well Be You (which I feel can be lumped together as well) were written about me 20 years ago. Jane ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 15:40:23 -0000 From: Hopping James W Subject: RE: OV: RE: Whiskey Remorse/Be my Downfall Correct! I believe the lyric is 'Did you want me to, say I'd die for you' ie how do I make you love me. Thats how I hear it, but hey! Jim - -----Original Message----- From: Libby Graham [mailto:e.a.graham@reading.ac.uk] Sent: 01 February 2001 15:18 To: oppositeview@smoe.org; Leah D Schenkenberg Subject: Re: OV: RE: Whiskey Remorse/Be my Downfall But does it actually say that they did it .......?? It's a contemplation of suicide song, not necessarily the proof that the person went through with it. Do I hear shouts of "pedant" coming my way? Libby - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leah D Schenkenberg" To: Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 2:19 PM Subject: Re: OV: RE: Whiskey Remorse/Be my Downfall > If you take "One Thing Left To Do" (Die for you) as seriously as a > lyrical obsessive like myself would, there wouldn't be a song to go after > it. He'd be dead. > > Leah > > > > But if we're going out on that limb - which song would fit in after > > "Die For > > You"? ;-) > > > > /Espen > > > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 08:21:53 -0600 From: Leah D Schenkenberg Subject: OV: Last to know songs I know that Reba McEntire has a song called "the last one to know" and we have DA "always the last to know", and now presumable a Britney song approaching (oh wow, I'm overflowing with joy). Who else has songs by this title? Leah >>Britney Spears is getting good reviews on her upcoming video for "Don't Let Me Be the Last to Know," the fourth video from her eight-times platinum album, "Oops! ... I Did It Again." ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 15:47:10 -0000 From: Hopping James W Subject: OV: RE: in my CD player Very interesting that you say Travis and Coldplay are shunned by the US press. The UK press has at various times hailed them as saviour of british guitar music! I also suggest, if you can get a copy, try and get 'A Week Away' by Spearmint. It is cracking. Jim - -----Original Message----- From: Kelly Doudna [mailto:kelly@good-design.com] Sent: 01 February 2001 15:20 To: Opposite View Subject: OV: in my CD player Hello, I always delurk for this thread. Today I'm on a "lead singer" bent: Chris Cornell--Euphoria Morning Scott Weiland--12 Bar Blues Jerry Cantrell--Boggy Depot The Adventures--Sea of Love XTC--Nonsuch In light of a comment Alison made, let me say that I've done the same thing: There might not be a physical Del Amitri CD on the list above, but that's because I, too, have converted all of their CDs to MP3s which live on my computer for convenient listening. I have playlists of the albums individually, but what's really fun is putting the "all albums together" list on shuffle and enjoying a good mix. And, incidentally, since they both have been mentioned frequently on this list, the only other CDs that I have MP3-ized are "The Man Who..." and "Parachutes." They may be shunned by some of the press, but darn it, I think they kick you-know-what! And, Sandeep, a friend of mine in London knows of you and your web site, as he is also a huge Spurs fan. He asked if I knew you because of the Del Amitri links on your site and I said yes, he's on the list. Small world, eh? (I know you don't know me from Adam.) Kelly Minneapolis ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 15:51:46 -0000 From: "Jane Armstrong" Subject: OV: Some photos If anyone is interested I've put some photos of the Borderline gigs up at http://www.delamitri.co.uk/~janea/borderline.html They're not brilliant because the lighting was terrible - Iain was sitting in total darkness for example - and there was some sort of glow somewhere, plus it was only a disposable camera, but at least you get some idea of the gig. And if any of you are free to join us for the chat tonight (see below) we'd love to see you. Cheers Jane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Join us for our weekly chat - 9pm GMT Thursdays on http://www.delamitri.co.uk/~janea/chat.html Please note my new URL: http://www.delamitri.co.uk/~janea Del Amitri Pages: http://www.delamitri.co.uk/~janea/Delpage.html Join The Devlins Mailing List: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/thedevlins/join ICQ # 34643730 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 15:55:17 -0000 From: Hopping James W Subject: OV: RE: Re: Re: RE: Whiskey Remorse/Be my Downfall As well as 'This side of the Morning' perhaps? Jim - -----Original Message----- From: Jane Armstrong [mailto:janea@delamitri.co.uk] Sent: 01 February 2001 14:28 To: S Meyer Cc: Dels Subject: OV: Re: Re: RE: Whiskey Remorse/Be my Downfall >I love the way it sort of wraps round to the > beginning, > > in the way a drunk thinks round in circles. > > I agree ~ this is how I've always seen this song. And he's not the only > drunken, heartbroken guy whose managed to get this low. All the "kings of > comedy compare their tattered souls." Outstanding lyrics and a very visual > song. Can't you picture them all sitting there at the bar? So true - and isn't there ALWAYS someone like that in a bar on a Friday night - I feel I know the person in Whiskey Remorse. And I also feel sometimes that Be My Downfall and It Might As Well Be You (which I feel can be lumped together as well) were written about me 20 years ago. Jane ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 09:48:12 -0600 From: Leah D Schenkenberg Subject: Re: OV: RE: Whiskey Remorse/Be my Downfall I still like to think that he did it...there can't really be any proof in the song that "yes, he committed suicide" becuase it's sung in first person. Justin can't exactly saing "It's ok if you wanna say I diiiiiiiiiiiiiiiied for you.....because IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII'm dead". If I allow thoughts of "he didn't really do it" in my brain, the song loses a lot of it's power for me. It goes from "heartfelt emotional song" to "depressed person who feels like crap but gets over it after he's done singing the song". Leah On Thu, 1 Feb 2001 15:17:56 -0000 "Libby Graham" writes: > But does it actually say that they did it .......?? It's a > contemplation of > suicide song, not necessarily the proof that the person went through > with > it. > > Do I hear shouts of "pedant" coming my way? > > Libby > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Leah D Schenkenberg" > To: > Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 2:19 PM > Subject: Re: OV: RE: Whiskey Remorse/Be my Downfall > > > > If you take "One Thing Left To Do" (Die for you) as seriously as a > > lyrical obsessive like myself would, there wouldn't be a song to > go after > > it. He'd be dead. > > > > Leah > > > > > > > But if we're going out on that limb - which song would fit in > after > > > "Die For > > > You"? ;-) > > > > > > /Espen > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > > ============ I used to compensate for what I couldn't achieve. I conquered dreams, forgetting what they were. ~ skillet ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 17:03:06 -0800 From: Espen Kvalheim Subject: Re: OV: RE: Whiskey Remorse/Be my Downfall The way I've always read it, its a suicide note. Sad as that may be, those tend to be discovered only when it's too late (otherwise, the person in question would normally, I suspect, have removed it). Hence, since someone has apparently found this one, I tend to go for Leah's take on the situation. However, since the title is "One Thing Left To Do", I guess there's sufficient ambiguity present to wonder if he ever did it (thereby doing the "one thing"), or postponed it in order to get that last thing done. No shout of "pedant" coming towards you from my general direction, that is. Anyway, I think the song is a masterpiece. The first time I heard it, I remember that I could practically _feel_ how the punch-line (it's okay if you want to say I died for you) must hit the person recieving the letter squarely in the gut. And when the lyrics are so nicely accentuated by the fragile, gentle melody done by the gentlest voice ever, I'd say that it's probably a truly dangerous song for anybody seriously contemplating anything like that. With the risk of sounding morbid: That, in my eyes, makes it great art. (But then again, I've always been impressed by great emotions at play) /Espen > From: "Libby Graham" > Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 15:17:56 -0000 > To: , "Leah D > Schenkenberg" > Subject: Re: OV: RE: Whiskey Remorse/Be my Downfall > > But does it actually say that they did it .......?? It's a contemplation of > suicide song, not necessarily the proof that the person went through with > it. > > Do I hear shouts of "pedant" coming my way? > > Libby > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Leah D Schenkenberg" > To: > Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 2:19 PM > Subject: Re: OV: RE: Whiskey Remorse/Be my Downfall > > >> If you take "One Thing Left To Do" (Die for you) as seriously as a >> lyrical obsessive like myself would, there wouldn't be a song to go after >> it. He'd be dead. >> >> Leah >> >> >>> But if we're going out on that limb - which song would fit in after >>> "Die For >>> You"? ;-) >>> >>> /Espen >>> >> ________________________________________________________________ >> GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! >> Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! >> Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: >> http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 16:10:34 -0000 From: Hopping James W Subject: RE: OV: RE: Whiskey Remorse/Be my Downfall Perhaps the clue is in the way the song gently fades and almost seems to die rather than finish? Jim - -----Original Message----- From: Leah D Schenkenberg [mailto:qualinestiprincess@juno.com] Sent: 01 February 2001 15:48 To: e.a.graham@reading.ac.uk; oppositeview@smoe.org Subject: Re: OV: RE: Whiskey Remorse/Be my Downfall I still like to think that he did it...there can't really be any proof in the song that "yes, he committed suicide" becuase it's sung in first person. Justin can't exactly saing "It's ok if you wanna say I diiiiiiiiiiiiiiiied for you.....because IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII'm dead". If I allow thoughts of "he didn't really do it" in my brain, the song loses a lot of it's power for me. It goes from "heartfelt emotional song" to "depressed person who feels like crap but gets over it after he's done singing the song". Leah On Thu, 1 Feb 2001 15:17:56 -0000 "Libby Graham" writes: > But does it actually say that they did it .......?? It's a > contemplation of > suicide song, not necessarily the proof that the person went through > with > it. > > Do I hear shouts of "pedant" coming my way? > > Libby > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Leah D Schenkenberg" > To: > Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 2:19 PM > Subject: Re: OV: RE: Whiskey Remorse/Be my Downfall > > > > If you take "One Thing Left To Do" (Die for you) as seriously as a > > lyrical obsessive like myself would, there wouldn't be a song to > go after > > it. He'd be dead. > > > > Leah > > > > > > > But if we're going out on that limb - which song would fit in > after > > > "Die For > > > You"? ;-) > > > > > > /Espen > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > > ============ I used to compensate for what I couldn't achieve. I conquered dreams, forgetting what they were. ~ skillet ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 17:09:10 -0800 From: Espen Kvalheim Subject: Re: OV: Last to know songs Sheesh - Britney Spears (yuck). Still, Travis do an excellent cover of her "Hit me baby one more time", they slow it down, and it's just two guys on guitars. I think it's a B-side on one of their singles, done as a live-recording (I found it on Napster). They recorded it exclusively for VH1 in a studio somewhere, and made a very good job at it, but I've seen that only once. /Espen > From: Leah D Schenkenberg > Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 08:21:53 -0600 > To: oppositeview@smoe.org > Subject: OV: Last to know songs > > I know that Reba McEntire has a song called "the last one to know" and we > have DA "always the last to know", and now presumable a Britney song > approaching (oh wow, I'm overflowing with joy). > > Who else has songs by this title? > > Leah > > > > >>> Britney Spears is getting good reviews on her upcoming video for > "Don't Let Me Be the Last to Know," the fourth video from her > eight-times platinum album, "Oops! ... I Did It Again." > > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 16:31:43 -0000 From: Hopping James W Subject: RE: OV: Last to know songs That is a great version. I have learnt to play it and it goes down a storm at post pub sing alongs. Jim - -----Original Message----- From: Espen Kvalheim [mailto:espen@kvalheim.com] Sent: 02 February 2001 01:09 To: oppositeview@smoe.org Subject: Re: OV: Last to know songs Sheesh - Britney Spears (yuck). Still, Travis do an excellent cover of her "Hit me baby one more time", they slow it down, and it's just two guys on guitars. I think it's a B-side on one of their singles, done as a live-recording (I found it on Napster). They recorded it exclusively for VH1 in a studio somewhere, and made a very good job at it, but I've seen that only once. /Espen > From: Leah D Schenkenberg > Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 08:21:53 -0600 > To: oppositeview@smoe.org > Subject: OV: Last to know songs > > I know that Reba McEntire has a song called "the last one to know" and we > have DA "always the last to know", and now presumable a Britney song > approaching (oh wow, I'm overflowing with joy). > > Who else has songs by this title? > > Leah > > > > >>> Britney Spears is getting good reviews on her upcoming video for > "Don't Let Me Be the Last to Know," the fourth video from her > eight-times platinum album, "Oops! ... I Did It Again." > > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 16:44:30 -0000 From: "Jane Armstrong" Subject: Re: OV: One Thing Left To Do > Perhaps the clue is in the way the song gently fades and almost seems to die > rather than finish? > Yes - I think I agree with Espen, Jim and Leah here. My feeling is that he went ahead with it. This is one of two songs which always sends shivers down my spine and gives me butterflies in the stomach (the other is When You Were Young). I always go quiet when I hear it and if affects my mood - not many songs have this sort of effect on me. I completely agree with you Espen - this song is a masterpiece. Jane ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 16:26:36 -0000 From: "Jane Armstrong" Subject: Re: OV: Last to know songs > Sheesh - Britney Spears (yuck). Still, Travis do an excellent cover of her > "Hit me baby one more time", they slow it down, and it's just two guys on > guitars. I think it's a B-side on one of their singles, done as a > live-recording (I found it on Napster). They recorded it exclusively for VH1 > in a studio somewhere, and made a very good job at it, but I've seen that > only once. I was at that VH1 Storytellers recording - it was in Bray Studios, just down the road from Windsor, and from where I live. It was a great evening, and Fran talked about why they chose this song - it is essentially a great manufactured pop song - and it made me look at the Britney version in a different light. Great to see OV coming back to life again! Jane ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 12:11:04 -0800 From: "Susan & C. Reid Gardner" Subject: Re: OV: Re: Weeds Chris Quartly wrote: > Is anyone interested in making artwork for something > we weed? I'm not good at that sort of thing but we > could play around with this a little, maybe we could > call it 'OV Productions' or something? I "made" a cd cover art thing once, to adorn the front of a cd we'd copied for a friend. Its still in the computer somewhere I think... if anyone wants to use it, it has the drawing of Justin on it plus a colorful band name across the top... it also has a song listing, but that could be deleted; I could add or delete info like the 'ov productions' thing too. Also the drawing could be changed to use one of the other bandmates; I just don't have anything done that shows all of the fellows yet. If anyone wants me to email it to them for use in these weed things, contact me privately at the above email addy. TTFN Susan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 17:20:57 -0000 From: "Chris Fleming" Subject: OV: Whiskey Remorse Back in 1992 during the dels 4 night sell out of the Barrowlands (OH the Barras!!)(Chewin The Fat anyone). Justine Introduced WR as a song he wrote while;e touring America, because all the radio DJ's kept asking them if the did "Scottish Country songs" and this was his reply to them of what a Scottish country song would sound like. This was on the Dec24th gig (oh Santa abseiling from the roof, the dels top band in Scotland, The dels opening with summer in the city, memories memories) Chris Very anoraky tit-bit ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 12:32:16 EST From: Moer4472@aol.com Subject: OV: One thing left to do .... The way I see it is that the narrator is just kinda' thinking of a past girlfriend .... thinking of someone who felt more than he did .... now he is kinda' sorry that she has left him, finally. Because, as some people believe, the "ultimate" test of true love is to die for another person. I think it all depends upon your own romanticism's (is that even a word?) and own experiences. This is one of my fave del songs!!! maureen from West Virginia and, while I am here, I will tell what has been in my CD player, lately. 1. del Amitri - Change Everything 2. Elvis Costello/ Burt Bacharach - Painted From Memory 3. Queen - Classic Queen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 09:44:59 -0800 From: "Holmquist, Darren" Subject: OV: Re: Weeds NO DELS CONTENT OV Productions is something I've put on all my dupes of shows... My experience with trading trees/weeds, is that not everyone has the DAO capability. For me that ruins a show, having that 1 second gap between tracks on a live show. I know some people don't care, they just want it. I think it'd be better to set up a network of folks who do use DAO (Disc At Once). I mean, we can try it both ways to see which works best, which OVers like best. With the Trading Tree I think the discs get out to everyone faster. I don't know... I've never really done a "Weed". Peace, Darren ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 11:59:15 -0600 From: "barbaralafferty" Subject: OV: Re: No Dels - Hiatt I'm a TREMENDOUS Hiatt fan and saw him live a few years ago in St. Louis, his band mate David Immerglick is amazing!!! Barbara - ----- Original Message ----- From: "S Meyer" To: Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 7:26 AM Subject: OV: No Dels - Hiatt > >are there many john hiatt fans on the list? > > I'm one. I first got into him when (for a few fleeting months in Milwaukee) > we had a good radio station. They played Perfectly Good Guitar, Have a > Little Faith in Me, and Cry Love, and I called the radio station, asking > "Who IS this wonderful musician???" (They even played the Dels on that > station!!) That was a few years back, shortly before John's "Best Of" came > out, which I promptly bought. I have nearly all of them now, some on CD and > some on tape that another OV'er (Louanne) kindly made for me. I think Ed > might have made me one,too. > > My favorite CD is hard to pick ~ I really like "Walk On" a lot. But I think > the one that actually travels with me the most is the "Best Of" simply > because it's such a great mix of the songs I want to hear. I love Buffalo > River Home, Drive South, Feels Like Rain, Riding with the King, Tennessee > Plates, and certainly Memphis in the Meantime. > > > "..there ought to be a law, without no bail, > > smash a guitar and you go to jail, > > ....(something)..no early parole, > > you don't get out until you get some soul.." > > I hear this as: > "There oughtta be a law, with no bail, > Smash your guitar and you go to jail, > With no chance of early parole, > You don't get out until you get some soul." > > The new disk "Crossing Muddy Waters" is acoustic, with lots of guitar, banjo > and mandolin, and I love it. > > Cindy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 13:08:38 -0500 (EST) From: Mitch Subject: Re: OV: Last to know songs > "Don't Let Me Be the Last to Know," the fourth video from her > eight-times platinum album, "Oops! ... I Did It Again." ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ is that true?? no wonder the band always seem so cynical ... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 18:52:46 -0000 From: "Jane Armstrong" Subject: Re: OV: Last to know songs > > "Don't Let Me Be the Last to Know," the fourth video from her > > eight-times platinum album, "Oops! ... I Did It Again." > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I have to admit that when she announced it during a TV showing of one of her shows I pricked my ears up! But it's definitely not the same song :-) And I wasn't watching Britney - my 6 year old son is a fan of hers and had it on. Jane ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 09:21:07 +1100 (EST) From: Aleksandr Subject: Re: OV: Re: Weeds Sounds like more fine ideas! I'm in. AL - - "It is better to travel alone than with a fool, but what may two fools do?" To all those people who call me paranoid. I'm not. So there. http://turn.to/the_ALpha On Thu, 1 Feb 2001, [iso-8859-1] Chris Quartly wrote: > Is anyone interested in making artwork for something > we weed? I'm not good at that sort of thing but we > could play around with this a little, maybe we could > call it 'OV Productions' or something? Personally I > only have the Swimming with your boots on bootleg and > the radio 2 concert which i would love to have on CD > rather than tape. > > Also, I know that a lot of people have CD burners, but > then again a lot of people don't. Why don't we make > make three copies of what we will weed, send two to > people with burners and one without? In other weeds, > the 'burnerless' usually have to wait until there are > no more people with burners continuing the weed? > > Just a few more points, if we are going to do things > like this best to all be in agreement about we are > going to do this. > > Cheers > Chris > > __________________________________________________ > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 > a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ End of oppositeview-digest V3 #31 *********************************