From: owner-oppositeview-digest@smoe.org (oppositeview-digest) To: oppositeview-digest@smoe.org Subject: oppositeview-digest V3 #30 Reply-To: oppositeview@smoe.org Sender: owner-oppositeview-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-oppositeview-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk oppositeview-digest Thursday, February 1 2001 Volume 03 : Number 030 Today's Subjects: ----------------- OV: RE: Weed/s [Jon Hammer ] [none] ["NOEL TYLLA" ] OV: Re: RE: Weed/s ["Jane Armstrong" ] OV: MP3s as such [webmaster@delamitri.co.uk] OV: Weeds, Trees and what's in my CD Player! [tracykeates@supanet.com] Re: OV: Re: RE: Weed/s [Darren Holmquist ] OV: what's in my CD Player! ["Libby Graham" ] OV: RE: MP3s as such ["Biondani, Ian" ] Re: OV: Hullo from a ways.. ["Susan & C. Reid Gardner" ] OV: Test ["Ian Biondani" ] OV: RE: Test [Hopping James W ] OV: RE: oppositeview-digest V3 #28 ["Tina Grytter" ] OV: Whiskey Remorse/Be my Downfall [Leah D Schenkenberg ] OV: Heads up Hiatt fans- no Dels ["Ed Minton" ] OV: Re: Whiskey Remorse/Be my Downfall ["Hilary Gray" ] Re: OV: Heads up Hiatt fans- no Dels [Mitch ] Re: OV: Re: what's in my CD Player! [Mitch ] Re: OV: Heads up Hiatt fans- no Dels ["Josh Neas" ] OV: Re: Weeds [=?iso-8859-1?q?Chris=20Quartly?= ] OV: RE: Whiskey Remorse/Be my Downfall [Hopping James W Subject: OV: RE: Weed/s Chris had offered... | Does anyone want to set up a weed, for those that | don't know a weed is a type of distribution system to | get music accross to other fans at a cost-effective | level. I'd be happy to volunteer my services. I have Swimming With Your Boots On and would happily copy that for anybody interested. Thanks to Cleo, I've been listening to Lousy With Love. Its almost like a new release for me. But I'd be anxious to get in on some live performances that aren't in wide release (e.g. Abbey Road CD) or any b-sides for that matter. Jon Hammer Powell, Ohio mailto:Jon.Hammer@CommerceNetwork.globalec.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 14:11:09 -0000 From: "NOEL TYLLA" Subject: [none] Hello all... Hey Allison. I think it was me and one other person who listens to Superdrag....Don't you love the new cd? Noel - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 15:29:37 -0000 From: "Jane Armstrong" Subject: OV: Re: RE: Weed/s > But I'd be anxious to get in on some live performances that aren't in wide > release (e.g. Abbey Road CD) or any b-sides for that matter. I'm all for sharing live recordings or radio broadcasts, but Abbey Road is still available in some shops (I found a couple of copies on Monday in London, and I think my local MVC still has is in)and it can be bought on the internet at places like HMV and Virgin and at www.netsounds.com (as can most of their older singles at good prices). I personally don't think we should, in all fairness, condone boots of official releases which are still in circulation on this forum (don't want to get Darren into bother!), though the band don't seem to mind people swapping recordings of hard to get B-sides or live stuff. And they know we do make boots of live concerts - we were talking quite openly to Iain about it the other day, and he didn't seem to mind - but copying a record which is still available is taking potential royalties from them. Jane ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 15:56:22 GMT From: webmaster@delamitri.co.uk Subject: OV: MP3s as such Well all I can say it: "If the man plays you a song, the least you can do is buy him a beer" I think you know what i mean... Kevin www.delamitri.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 08:20:53 +0000 From: tracykeates@supanet.com Subject: OV: Weeds, Trees and what's in my CD Player! [demime could not interpret encoding binary - treating as plain text] Weeds, trees whatever it sounds good to me and as I'm from the UK I don't mind being a central point for over here if we go down the tree route! And in my Car CD Player today I have: 1. Matchbox 20 - Yourself or somebody like you ( or something like that) 2. Curtis - Curtis Mayfield 3. Best of Nina Simone 4. Teenage Fanclub - Grand Prix 5. Del Amitri - Swimming with your Boots on 6. Best of Van Morrison Cheers Tracy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 08:35:24 -0800 From: Darren Holmquist Subject: Re: OV: Re: RE: Weed/s At 03:29 PM 1/31/01 +0000, Jane Armstrong wrote: >And they know we do make boots of live concerts - we were talking quite >openly to Iain about it the other day, and he didn't seem to mind - but >copying a record which is still available is taking potential royalties from >them. I'm in complete agreement here. Any tape trees/weeds set forth on the list will be of radio or audience recordings of live shows. If you make a contact off-list for the trading of bsides, that's your business, and good for you. But, the trading of official releases, especially for money, cannot be condoned. Besides, it's better to have the genuine article! Buy the real thing! Peace, Darren ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 16:33:14 -0000 From: "Libby Graham" Subject: OV: what's in my CD Player! "Today I mostly be listening to ......" on the PC when everyone else has left .... 1. Vertical Horizon "Running on Ice" 2. Marshall Crenshaw "Life's Too Short" 3. Candyskins "Death of a Minor TV Celebrity" 4. The Adventures "Sea of Love" 5. Del Amitri "Twisted" Libby ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 16:37:48 -0000 From: "Biondani, Ian" Subject: OV: RE: MP3s as such I bought you a coffee this morning, what else do you want blood? Regards Ian - -----Original Message----- From: webmaster@delamitri.co.uk [mailto:webmaster@delamitri.co.uk] Sent: 31 January 2001 15:56 To: oppositeview@smoe.org Subject: OV: MP3s as such Well all I can say it: "If the man plays you a song, the least you can do is buy him a beer" I think you know what i mean... Kevin www.delamitri.co.uk This message is for the named person's use only. It may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. 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Any reference to the terms of executed transactions should be treated as preliminary only and subject to our formal written confirmation. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 11:46:33 -0800 From: "Susan & C. Reid Gardner" Subject: Re: OV: Hullo from a ways.. Josh Neas wrote: > My name's Josh, I'm 19, from North Carolina in the US and I'm a huge Dels > fan. :) I thought I'd join this list 'cause I couldn't get anything more > current than May of '00 info on what the boys are up to, so what's the > skinny? I'm really anxious for the new record 'cause I have hopes beyond > hopes that they might tour the US and come close enough for me to go see > them. So enough babble.... Boy, are YOU in the right place! Jane now knows all the latest news, doncha dear?!?!?! :~} We'd all be jealous of her if she weren't such an absolute sweetie to share the info with us. I just visited your fine state a few weeks ago, my church youth group went to Ski Beech up in the northern region. No I'm not a youth by any stretch of the imagination (beat you to it, Ladywiz) but when it comes to Del Amitri all age boundaries disappear! TTFN Susan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 11:47:56 -0500 From: Jon Hammer Subject: OV: Re: RE: Weed/s At 10:29 AM 1/31/01, you wrote: > > But I'd be anxious to get in on some live performances that aren't in wide > > release (e.g. Abbey Road CD) or any b-sides for that matter. > >I'm all for sharing live recordings or radio broadcasts, but Abbey Road is >still available in some shops (I found a couple of copies on Monday in >London, and I think my local MVC still has is in)and it can be bought on the >internet at places like HMV and Virgin and at www.netsounds.com (as can most >of their older singles at good prices). So sorry! I was using the Abbey Road CD as an example of something that we *shouldn't* distribute. Totally agree with you on that note. I guess I should drink more coffee before I start emailing.... Jon Hammer Powell, Ohio mailto:Jon.Hammer@CommerceNetwork.globalec.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 16:47:11 -0000 From: "Ian Biondani" Subject: OV: Test Test to see if I can get rid of the bloody disclaimer Regards Ian ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 17:09:11 -0000 From: Hopping James W Subject: OV: RE: Test Yep - -----Original Message----- From: Ian Biondani [mailto:ian.biondani@csfb.com] Sent: 31 January 2001 16:47 To: oppositeview@smoe.org Subject: OV: Test Test to see if I can get rid of the bloody disclaimer Regards Ian ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 21:00:32 +0100 From: "Tina Grytter" Subject: OV: RE: oppositeview-digest V3 #28 Hi everyone, This is what I listen to at the moment: David Gray: "White Ladder" (it's been on my cdplayer for 2 or 3 months - a real favourite) Everything But The Girl: "Amplified Heart" Everything But The Girl: "Walking Wounded" Sorten Muld: "Mark II" (Danish band mixing the traditional lyrics and melody of (very) old folk songs with - well, almost anything. AND it works Extremely well, in my humble opinion) Sorten Muld: " III " Texas: "Greatest Hits" Lene Marlin: "Playing My Game" (Norwegian Songbird) Anything Dels Didn't somebody once mention John Otway? I haven't listened to Deep Thought for many years as my recordplayer gave up on me but I kinda miss it. Back to lurking. Cheers, Tina - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 10:38:39 -0000 From: "Emmanuel Ebrero Silva" Subject: OV: What's in my cd player? Hi, everyone. My name is Emmanuel and I'm from Portugal. A big Del Amitri fan, and I'm ansiouxsly waiting for their next album. And now, here's my list of the the albums in my CD player, 1. Texas - "Greatest Hits" 2. Travis - "The Man who" 3. Placebo - "Without You I'm Nothing" 4. Moby - "Play" 5. Del Amitri - "Some Other Sucker's Parade" 6. Eye - "Thing Will Change" _________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 15:55:35 -0600 From: Leah D Schenkenberg Subject: OV: Whiskey Remorse/Be my Downfall Just a little disclaimer at the top here that this is posted by a self proclaimed lyrical obsessive. Justin has refered to WR being the morning after to Be My Downfall. I was talking to a DA fan who downloaded WR from me and heard it for the first time last night (and then commented "whoa, bring out the razor blades" after hearing both that and Evidence). I told him that Justin had said it was "kind of like the morning after Be my Downfall" on the live track of WR, and he challenged me on that today. I had always thought that the "girl I used to know" was sung about the girl that he was supposed to meet in be my downfall, and in WR, he's singing about his regret of cheating on her (and subsequently losing her). but now I'm wondering...is the "girl I used to know" the one that he stayed back with in Be My downfall? and then he ditched out on her? If you think of be my downfall strictly as one night, and whiskey remorse as strictly the next morning, it would seem so. Also in WR, was it the girl that cheated? : She has a hundred ways of hurting you... and I KNOW we've talked about not reading into lyrics because sometimes they just rhyme well and don't necessarily have to make sense (anybody up for a rousing game of "let's figure out When I Want You?"), but I'm just curious as to what others personally think about these lyrics. I like the context of "morning after" given to WR, but I'm not sure how to make it work in my own brain. And being a self proclaimed lyrical obsessive, I'm just looking for some others opinions. Leah ============ I used to compensate for what I couldn't achieve. I conquered dreams, forgetting what they were. ~ skillet ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 09:56:23 +1100 (EST) From: Aleksandr Subject: Re: OV: Whiskey Remorse/Be my Downfall When i picked up the Single of these two in a second hand shop i was stunned. Whiskey Remorse has been one of my favourite songs ever since i have heard it, and yes i agree - "Bring out your razorblades" AL - - "It is better to travel alone than with a fool, but what may two fools do?" To all those people who call me paranoid. I'm not. So there. http://turn.to/the_ALpha ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 15:29:56 -0800 From: "Holmquist, Darren" Subject: OV: RE: Whiskey Remorse/Be my Downfall Before you go getting all deep and heavy, bear in mind that these weren't WRITTEN as companion pieces. It was just a way for Justin to introduce the song on a radio show. They simply, KIND OF, fit together... Now with THAT caveat, I think Leah should probably work on her homework...er, I mean... that if you want to play the game as though they are Part One and Part Two, "The girl I used to know..." is the one he didn't get on the bus to go see in Be My Downfall. It's an obvious choice I know, but being one that has written a series of songs that tell a story, it's hard enough to get people to "get" the story, much less make them figure it out. It takes obsessives... er, I mean... lovely young women like Leah to sit down and listen to the music as a story. :) And someone brought up the idea of Lighten Up The Load fitting into it all as well. That track could be the final song in the trilogy. And, now that Leah's going to fly to Oregon to slap me silly, I'll quit while I'm behind. - - Darren ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 19:02:22 -0000 From: "Sandeep Chohan" Subject: OV: re: in my cd player i always get resurrected for threads like these! in my very un-del-like playlist are: Blink 182 - The Enema Strikes Back The Offspring - Conspiracy Of One Vertical Horizon - Everything You Want Don McLean - The Collection Goo Goo Dolls - Superstar Car Wash Looking forward to the next RAH gig! Sands! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 17:43:18 -0600 From: "Ed Minton" Subject: OV: Heads up Hiatt fans- no Dels John Hiatt is scheduled to perform this weekend on "Prairie Home Companion." Eddie in Missouri ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 01:47:08 -0000 From: "Hilary Gray" Subject: OV: Re: Whiskey Remorse/Be my Downfall As someone going through a phase of hitting 'repeat' everytime my CD player hits Whiskey Remorse, I feel I have to comment here :o) I must admit I've always thought it could form a trilogy with Lighten Up the Load and Be My Downfall, but vaguely thought that LUTL would be part 1, BMD part 2 and WR part 3 (where he's lost any/all of the women). And I think the comment about WR being the sequel to BMD could also stem in part from Justin saying (I think?!) that the two songs use the same chords. I've not really analysed the part WR would play in this trilogy though, I personally have thought it more part of the series of songs sung 'through the bottom of an empty glass', like Charlie's Bar, Fred Partington's Daughter, Some Other Sucker's, etc. As a slight tangent, I've found that WR really suits my very limited range singing voice, in that I can reach all the notes without squeaking or growling my way through the song, so I turn up the volume and give it full gusto (in the privacy of my car!!) - with a difference. I swap 'girl' for 'guy' and v.v. all the way through, and really get into the part of a drunk girl at the bar. Maybe it's because of this, or I'm just weird, but I have never thought it was a deeply depressing song, just sad. So Leah, long way of saying IMHO it's a song sung by a man who has lots of regrets, made a few bad decisions, lost his innocence/naiveti and deals with it by getting drunk a lot. Only Whiskey Remorse is a far more poetic title :o) Hilary ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 01:50:29 -0000 From: "Hilary Gray" Subject: OV: Re: what's in my CD Player! 1. Del Amitri - Lousy with Love 2. Beatles - 1 3. Roger Taylor - Strange Frontier 4. Seahorses - do it yourself 5. Duran Duran - Duran Duran 6. Devlins - Drift. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 00:21:55 -0500 (EST) From: Mitch Subject: Re: OV: Heads up Hiatt fans- no Dels > John Hiatt is scheduled to perform this weekend on "Prairie Home Companion." > are there many john hiatt fans on the list? i first got into him after hearing 'blue telescope' on 'homicide: life on the street'. picked up 'perfectly good guitar' (someone please correct my misuse of '' -- but what the hell, i type in lower case all the time so what does that matter) and the rest is history. favorite track? 'memphis in the meantime' from budakan (sp) -- you? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 00:23:14 -0500 (EST) From: Mitch Subject: Re: OV: Re: what's in my CD Player! > 1. Del Amitri - Lousy with Love > 2. Beatles - 1 > 3. Roger Taylor - Strange Frontier > 4. Seahorses - do it yourself > 5. Duran Duran - Duran Duran > 6. Devlins - Drift. > nice ecclectic mix. i only have 'waiting' of the devlins (and really like it) -- how does 'drift' compare? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 05:36:37 From: "Josh Neas" Subject: Re: OV: Heads up Hiatt fans- no Dels >are there many john hiatt fans on the list? i first got into him after >hearing 'blue telescope' on 'homicide: life on the street'. picked up >'perfectly good guitar' (someone please correct my misuse of '' -- but >what the hell, i type in lower case all the time so what does that >matter) and the rest is history. favorite track? 'memphis in the >meantime' from budakan (sp) -- you? I decided to look into him after seeing him actually perform on one of the episodes of Sessions at West 54th. (Of which he hosts the entire 2nd season.) I found "Perfectly Good Guitar" in a used record store for $5 and I like it. The title track has one of the best lines ever in rock: "..there ought to be a law, without no bail, smash a guitar and you go to jail, ....(something)..no early parole, you don't get out until you get some soul.." Heh, sorry for the fractured nature of that, but yeah. it rocks. josh. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 08:29:16 -0000 From: "Jane Armstrong" Subject: Re: OV:OT Devlins > nice ecclectic mix. i only have 'waiting' of the devlins (and really like > it) -- how does 'drift' compare? > I love Drift - it's a toss up as to which of the two Devlins' CD's I like best. Certainly one of my favourite tracks, Alone In The Dark, is on Drift. Try playing *that* at full blast when you're driving home down narrow country lanes or through woodland at 2am!! I've not played it for a while now - looks like it's going into my PC disc drive when I've dropped the kids off. You can pick up Drift on eBay quite often for very little - I've frequently seen it go for a Dollar. You can also buy it from their website www.devlins.com I run a Devlins mailing list - though unfortunately there's been very little to talk about these past couple of years. I latest information I got from Nettwerk Management was that they were still working on writing the follow up to Waiting but that they hadn't got a record label. I find this quite bizarre - as Nettwerk has it's own label. But then I just don't get the music industry at all! They're also doing a live performance on 4th March in Dublin at a benefit concert - see below: "I am pleased to inform you that the band are on the bill for a special concert in Dublin on the 4th March, with other Irish artists such as the frames, paddy casey, ash and many more. The concert is to celebrate the life of the late Unaeen Fitsimons, "an Irish music journalist who presented the TV program 'no disco'. she was regarded as an influence figure on the Irish music scene for her support or new modern music. all artists are donating their time and support free of charge. it will be a great gig. " maybe I will see some of you there " The Rocker" Anyway, I'd recommend anyone who liked Waiting should try to get hold of a copy of Drift. For those of you who don't know, The Devlins supported Del Amitri on their last UK tour in 1998, Jane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Join us for our weekly chat - 9pm GMT Thursdays (now with voice) on http://www.delamitri.co.uk/~janea/chat.html Please note my new URL: http://homepages.tesco.net/~jane.armstrong Del Amitri Pages: http://homepages.tesco.net/~jane.armstrong/Delpage.html Join The Devlins Mailing List: http://www.egroups.co.uk/subscribe/TheDevlins ICQ # 34643730 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 01:17:25 -0800 (PST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Chris=20Quartly?= Subject: OV: Re: Weeds Is anyone interested in making artwork for something we weed? I'm not good at that sort of thing but we could play around with this a little, maybe we could call it 'OV Productions' or something? Personally I only have the Swimming with your boots on bootleg and the radio 2 concert which i would love to have on CD rather than tape. Also, I know that a lot of people have CD burners, but then again a lot of people don't. Why don't we make make three copies of what we will weed, send two to people with burners and one without? In other weeds, the 'burnerless' usually have to wait until there are no more people with burners continuing the weed? Just a few more points, if we are going to do things like this best to all be in agreement about we are going to do this. Cheers Chris __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 10:28:49 -0000 From: Hopping James W Subject: OV: RE: Whiskey Remorse/Be my Downfall I can see why WR could be seen as the day after BMD, but personally (and thats what lyrics are all about) I don't feel they fit together in that way. My take on WR is its just a guy sitting at a bar wondering how he managed to get so low (along the lines of Long Way Down). I love WR and it is possibly my fave Dels song. I love the way it sort of wraps round to the beginning, in the way a drunk thinks round in circles. As for the 'Hundred ways of hurting you...' explain that by listening to lyrics in 'The First Rule of Love'. Jim - -----Original Message----- From: Leah D Schenkenberg [mailto:qualinestiprincess@juno.com] Sent: 31 January 2001 21:56 To: oppositeview@smoe.org Subject: OV: Whiskey Remorse/Be my Downfall Just a little disclaimer at the top here that this is posted by a self proclaimed lyrical obsessive. Justin has refered to WR being the morning after to Be My Downfall. I was talking to a DA fan who downloaded WR from me and heard it for the first time last night (and then commented "whoa, bring out the razor blades" after hearing both that and Evidence). I told him that Justin had said it was "kind of like the morning after Be my Downfall" on the live track of WR, and he challenged me on that today. I had always thought that the "girl I used to know" was sung about the girl that he was supposed to meet in be my downfall, and in WR, he's singing about his regret of cheating on her (and subsequently losing her). but now I'm wondering...is the "girl I used to know" the one that he stayed back with in Be My downfall? and then he ditched out on her? If you think of be my downfall strictly as one night, and whiskey remorse as strictly the next morning, it would seem so. Also in WR, was it the girl that cheated? : She has a hundred ways of hurting you... and I KNOW we've talked about not reading into lyrics because sometimes they just rhyme well and don't necessarily have to make sense (anybody up for a rousing game of "let's figure out When I Want You?"), but I'm just curious as to what others personally think about these lyrics. I like the context of "morning after" given to WR, but I'm not sure how to make it work in my own brain. And being a self proclaimed lyrical obsessive, I'm just looking for some others opinions. Leah ============ I used to compensate for what I couldn't achieve. I conquered dreams, forgetting what they were. ~ skillet ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ End of oppositeview-digest V3 #30 *********************************