From: owner-oppositeview-digest@smoe.org (oppositeview-digest) To: oppositeview-digest@smoe.org Subject: oppositeview-digest V2 #116 Reply-To: oppositeview@smoe.org Sender: owner-oppositeview-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-oppositeview-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk oppositeview-digest Thursday, September 21 2000 Volume 02 : Number 116 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: Subject: OV: Not Dels, need info [hilary_gray@sandwich.pfizer.com] OV: Re: Paula Yates [NIGELBLUES@aol.com] OV: Re: Dels vids [NIGELBLUES@aol.com] OV: more on dels vids [NIGELBLUES@aol.com] OV: Re: Cry To Be Found [NIGELBLUES@aol.com] OV: Re: oppositeview-digest V2 #109 [NIGELBLUES@aol.com] Re: OV: more on dels vids [Darren Holmquist ] OV: Re: Everclear [NIGELBLUES@aol.com] Re: OV: more on dels vids ["Jen Woyan" ] OV: Yet ANOTHER way to look at the MP3/Napster vs. RIAA/Recording label fiasco... ["Jen Woyan" > Or ... if you haven't heard the joke doing the rounds as they always do when something like this happens.... Police have today confirmed that they found Crack Cocaine & Sulphur Barbituates at Paula Yates' house .... but her other 2 children were found staying at Bob Geldof's house. Don't blame me for that one though. Always tragic to see anyone go early and the last few years of her life were tragic due to her personal life and the discovery only last year via the media that her father was Hughie Greene and not Jess Yates. Never was ever uncomplicated for her but I guess what finished her was being unable to get any work at since Hutchence's death, she was too unstable. Somehow, she never seemed like someone who would survive until old age. It's sad to see but I can't say I feel too sorry when she topped herself with a lethal drink/drugs binge whilst alone with her 4 yr old who made the grim discovery next morning. Thank god she knew how to use the phone or it could have been a double tragedy. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 17:33:01 EDT From: NIGELBLUES@aol.com Subject: OV: Re: Dels vids Jane writes: << There are also separate videos available for Waking Hours and Change Everything - but they're the same as those on HoR for the most part. >> Hi Jane, There was also the video for Twisted following the North American tour (forgot the name of the vid but it's here somewhere). But wasn't that released Stateside too? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 17:37:54 EDT From: NIGELBLUES@aol.com Subject: OV: more on dels vids Sorry me again. The Dels docuvid of the Twisted tour was called "Let's Go Home" and was released in US. I'm sure it can be found on US music retail websites. Jane writes: << There are also separate videos available for Waking Hours and Change Everything - but they're the same as those on HoR for the most part. >> Hi Jane, There was also the video for Twisted following the North American tour (forgot the name of the vid but it's here somewhere). But wasn't that released Stateside too? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 17:42:19 EDT From: NIGELBLUES@aol.com Subject: OV: Re: Cry To Be Found Ah Jane!!! Now I know what you were on about when we chatted recently!! Sorry, I'm catching up on digests hence my late reply. That posting was nothing to do with me. I could never use the word "intelligent" and the phrase "cry to be found" in the same sentence sorry - not even in mock humour. N << From: "Jane Armstrong" Subject: OV: Re: sosp Erm....Nigel??????? - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bono ThatsIt" To: Sent: Monday, September 11, 2000 9:45 PM Subject: OV: sosp > None taken Kristy, and I love you too. Cry to Be Found was the most > intelligent single from the big isle in years and we can only hope to equal > it's phenomenal success. > -Bono > -u2.com >> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 17:59:50 EDT From: NIGELBLUES@aol.com Subject: OV: Re: oppositeview-digest V2 #109 << From: Kristy McDonald Subject: OV: Same shit . . . >> Sorry - saw the header "Same Shit" and thought we were still talking about Cry To Be Found for a moment! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 15:09:33 -0700 From: Darren Holmquist Subject: Re: OV: more on dels vids At 05:37 PM 9/20/00 -0400, NIGELBLUES@aol.com wrote: >Sorry me again. The Dels docuvid of the Twisted tour was called "Let's Go >Home" and was released in US. I'm sure it can be found on US music retail >websites. This video has been out of print for a couple of years... if you don't have this, and want it, you need to find one now, and buy it. It pops up on eBay fairly often. Usually goes for about retail price. Peace, Darren ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 18:09:14 EDT From: NIGELBLUES@aol.com Subject: OV: Re: Everclear In a message dated 15/09/00 09:58:37 GMT Daylight Time, owner-oppositeview-digest@smoe.org writes: << Also, if anyone is familiar with Everclear and could answer a few questions for me off list, that would entitle you to god-like status. Leah >> Is this Everclear, the US group. They never did anything in UK but I got a single they released here about 2 years ago called "Everything to Everyone" which I loved together with the other tracks and videos on the 2 cd-rom singles available. Also did a blinding version of Fun Boy Three's Our Lips Are Sealed. They split up though, haven't they? Always wanted to check out more of their stuff but haven't yet - would it be worthwhile? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 19:16:37 -0500 From: "Jen Woyan" Subject: Re: OV: more on dels vids I also just saw a copy at a place called Crow's Nest here in Chicago last week...but it is out of print.... The release number is ASIN: 6304028733 This guy (http://www.videobeat.com/Catalogs/index.html ) has a rental copy... perhaps he'll dub a copy if you ask nicely... Oh yeah, & CDnow has HFOR on sale for $9.99 and LWL for $14.99..... http://www.cdnow.com AND....Amazon US has their first CD for $18.99... http://www.amazon.com Cheers, Jen - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Darren Holmquist" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 5:09 PM Subject: Re: OV: more on dels vids > At 05:37 PM 9/20/00 -0400, NIGELBLUES@aol.com wrote: > >Sorry me again. The Dels docuvid of the Twisted tour was called "Let's Go > >Home" and was released in US. I'm sure it can be found on US music retail > >websites. > > This video has been out of print for a couple of years... if you don't have > this, and want it, you need to find one now, and buy it. It pops up on > eBay fairly often. Usually goes for about retail price. > > Peace, > Darren > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 21:46:56 -0500 From: "Jen Woyan" Subject: OV: Yet ANOTHER way to look at the MP3/Napster vs. RIAA/Recording label fiasco... http://www.fortune.com/fortune/technology/gurley/0,5332,55254,00.html Digital Music: The Real Law Is Moore's Law By: J. William Gurley for Fortune Magazine The music industry should take heed of the following: "If you think it's bad now, you ain't seen nothing yet." The debate over whether individuals have the right to copy digitally encoded music is perhaps one of the most intriguing moral dilemmas of today. But it is akin to debating the number of angels that can stand on a pinhead. Morality may no longer be the issue. The real issue may be that there is no technical way to stop the tidal wave that is already upon us. Let us begin with a few numbers. There are currently about 200 million multimedia personal computers in the world, all capable of converting a CD to a digital MP3 file and vice versa. There are approximately 17 billion audio CDs in circulation, representing roughly 150,000 unique CD titles. The average music owner owns 30 CDs, and the average music enthusiast about 200. And that's not counting how many MP3 files they have on their hard drives. Now let us mix in a little Moore's law. The year 2000 is unquestionably the breakout year for the digital transfer of music, but not solely because of Napster. The technology behind Napster has been possible ever since the Internet became widespread. The real barriers to adoption have been the technical thresholds of both the storage capacity of PCs and the transfer speed available over phone and cable lines. With the average MP3 song at about four megabytes, storage and transfer were technically not feasible until recently. But the rate at which we approached these thresholds and correspondingly how quickly we will move past them is a question of Moore's law. While it may seem as if it took forever to get to this point, innovation will accelerate exponentially. The music industry should take heed of the following: "If you think it's bad now, you ain't seen nothing yet." In last Sunday's New York Times, J&R Computer World advertised a 30.7-gigabyte hard drive for $150. This $150 drive is capable of holding 614 digitally encoded CDs in MP3 format. Recognize that this is already three times the storage of the average enthusiast's collection. Assuming storage continues to evolve according to Moore's law (doubling every 18 months), consider the following. In five years, this same $150 hard drive will hold over 6,000 CDs. In 11.9 years, this $150 hard drive will be able to hold 150,000 CDs--or, as noted earlier, all of the recorded music currently in production. At the same time the music collection of today's enthusiast will occupy a cool 0.13% of the average PC owner's hard drive. Chicken feed. If that's not enough, consider this. You can currently buy a six-megabyte handheld MP3 player called the Personal JukeBox for $700. (For more, see "Keep on Rockin' " in Personal Fortune.) In five years, this portable device will hold 1,200 CD equivalents. In 15.4 years this device will hold--you guessed it--all the music in the world. The same phenomenon is true for read-write optical disks, which are about the same physical size as current CDs. This fall several vendors are expected to announce disks with 1.3-gigabyte capacity, which will hold the MP3 equivalent of 26 albums. In five years these disks will hold 262 albums. Assuming Moore's law holds, in 18.7 years you will be able to put all the music in the world on a single plastic disk. The same trend is true for bandwidth. It currently takes about ten minutes to download a song on a 56K modem and just over one minute to download the same song with a typical high-speed connection using DSL or a cable modem. Once again, assuming Moore's law holds, what you see today is just the beginning. In six years the average high-speed home will be able to download a song in four seconds and an album in just under a minute. In 15 years this home will transfer the equivalent of 200 audio CDs, the size of today's enthusiast library, in one second. (By comparison, on a T3 line today, transferring a complete audio CD takes a relatively glacial nine seconds.) In 8.5 years an album attached to an e-mail will seem like a PowerPoint file today. When compared with the size of cheaply available storage and the speed of the Net, music will become an increasingly small component. Napster aside, it will be ridiculously easy to record your favorite audio CD, convert it, and e-mail it to a friend. What's more, bootleg optical disks will hold more and more music of increasing quality. In less than a year the entire works of the Beatles will fit on a single optical disk. Stopping the transfer of digital music will increasingly be like searching for a needle in a haystack--only the needle is shrinking and the haystack is growing. Perhaps the biggest problem for the music industry is that the technical infrastructure is already in place. Two hundred million multimedia PCs. Seventeen billion CDs. One billion audio CD players. The CD itself is the real enemy of the music industry, yet there is no way to put the genie back in the bottle. And even if you did find a way to encrypt future CDs, consider this irony. As long as you can hear music, you can easily and cheaply convert it back to digital form with very inexpensive equipment. The cat is not just out of the bag; it is clear into the next county. The music industry, of course, is still fighting over the legal and moral issues involved in swapping music files. The real law here is Moore's law. When everyone wakes up and realizes that, another dilemma will suddenly appear. The only way to truly prohibit the transfer of digitally encoded music is to basically wiretap everyone's personal e-mail, an unquestionably unpopular concept amongst the digerati. With the massive digital infrastructure already in place and the increasing size and speed of storage and network infrastructure, this is the only way to ensure that users don't transfer music from one machine to another. So ask yourself the following question: What is more important, copyrights or personal privacy rights? Tough question. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- J. William Gurley is a partner with Benchmark Capital, a venture capital firm. Except as noted, neither he nor Benchmark has a financial interest in the companies mentioned. To receive an expanded version of Above the Crowd, visit www.news.com, or to subscribe to the e-mail distribution list, please send an e-mail to subscribe-above_the_crowd@atc.revnet.com. If you have feedback, please send it to atc@benchmark.com. October 2, 2000 Cheers, Jen ------------------------------ End of oppositeview-digest V2 #116 **********************************