From: owner-oppositeview-digest@smoe.org (oppositeview-digest) To: oppositeview-digest@smoe.org Subject: oppositeview-digest V2 #98 Reply-To: oppositeview@smoe.org Sender: owner-oppositeview-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-oppositeview-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk oppositeview-digest Tuesday, August 29 2000 Volume 02 : Number 098 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: OV: Beatles, etc. ["Susan & C. Reid Gardner" ] OV: More than you ever wanted to know about moby [Bill McCurdy Subject: Re: OV: Beatles, etc. Elizabeth Osborne wrote: > My son a few months ago had heard "Norwegian Wood" for > the first time and thought it was "Pineapple Head" (his favorite Crowded > House song that he thinks was written just for him). Do any of you have any > opinions on today's music and The Beatles influence...not only on the boys' > bands, etc. But on CH, the Dels, and many of our other favorite bands and > music. I've spotted a few Beatles references in Del Amitri music, but I'm so tired right now I can't think of a single one. I think that as a songwriter, Justin is as good if not better than Mr. McCartney ever thought about being. > I'd like some other ideas on how to expose the kids to more and more > great music and avenues through which they can learn more about the history > of rock and pop I started with mine as wee babes, playing everything from Jerry Lee Lewis, Louis Armstrong, George Benson, Chet Atkins and the Beatles to Eric Clapton, Stevie Ray Vaughan, Hendrix, Beethoven, Vivaldi, dcTalk, and recently Skillet. Its enlightened them, and enabled them to enjoy and appreciate all kinds of music. Due probably to the fact that Michael Jackson owns a lot of cool songs and shamelessly sells them for commercial use, you'll have plenty of opportunities to educate your kids while they watch tv...I always point out that 'Heard It Through the Grapevine" is NOT originally a raisins commercial jingle, 'Like a Rock' was a reasonably good song in Bob Seegers hands before the truck company ran it into the ground, and Stevie Ray's 'Voodoo CHild' currently used in some auto ad is a cover of a Hendrix original (I bet Ed Minton threw a shoe at the tv the first time he heard that one)... To help insure that your kiddies are truly absorbing these musical influences you send their way, Pop Quizzes are helpful on occasions such as the new commercial that uses 'White Room' ~ shout out things like "NAME THE BAND!" or when you're shopping and hear a fine song over the in-house music system, yell out "WHAT'S THAT SONG AND NAME THE ALBUM". As you might guess, my family endures me with fear, trepidation and sheer amusement. TTFN Susan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 16:29:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill McCurdy Subject: OV: More than you ever wanted to know about moby Sinc he was born in the US, I don't think Justin is his brother... Richard Melville Hall BORN: September 11, 1965, Darien, CT Moby was one of the most controversial figures in techno music, alternately praised for bringing a face to the notoriously anonymous electronic genre, as well as being scorned by hordes of techno artists and fans for diluting and trivalizing the form. In either case, Moby was one of the most important dance music figures of the early '90s, helping bring the music to a mainstream audience both in England and in America. Moby fused rapid disco beats with heavy distorted guitars, punk rhythms and detailed productions that drew equally from pop, dance and movie soundtracks. Not only did his music differ from both the cool surface textures of ambient music and the hedonistic world of house music, but so did his lifestyle -- Moby was infamous for his devout, radical Christian beliefs, as well as his environmental and vegan activism. "Go" became a British Top Ten hit in 1991, establishing him as one of the premier techno producers. By the time he came to the attention of American record critics with 1995's Everything Is Wrong, his following from the early '90s had begun to erode, particularly in Britain. Nevertheless, he remained one of the most recognizable figures within techno, even after he abandoned the music for guitar-rock with 1996's Animal Rights. Born Richard Melville Hall, Moby received his nickname as a child; it derives from the fact that Herman Melville, the author of Moby Dick, is his great-great granduncle. Moby was born and raised in Darien, Connecticut, where he played in a hardcore punk band called the Vatican Commandos as a teenager. Later, he briefly sang with Flipper, while their singer was serving time in jail. He briefly attended college, before he moved to New York City, where he began DJing in dance clubs. During the late '80s and 1990, he released a number of singles and EPs for the independent label Instinct. In 1991, he set the theme from David Lynch's television series Twin Peaks to an insistent, house-derived rhythm and titled the result "Go." The single became a surprise British hit single, climbing into the Top Ten. Following its success, Moby was invited to remix a number of mainstream and underground acts, including Michael Jackson, Pet Shop Boys, Brian Eno, Depeche Mode, Erasure, the B-52's and Orbital. Moby continued performing at dances and raves throughout 1991 and 1992, culminating in a set at 1992's Mixmag awards where he broke his keyboards at the end of his concert. Moby, his first full-length album, appeared in 1992. In 1993, he released the double A-side single "I Feel It" / "Thousand," which became a moderate UK hit. According to the Guinness Book of Records, "Thousand" is the fastest single ever, appropriately clocking in at 1000 beats a minutes. That same year, Moby signed a record contract with Mute and his first release was Ambient, which compiled unissued material recorded between 1988 and 1991. Later that year, The Story So Far, a collection of singles released on Instinct, appeared. In 1994, the single "Hymn" -- one of the first fusions of gospel, techno and ambient music -- was released. In 1994, Moby signed a major-label contract with Elektra Records in the U.S. Everything Is Wrong, his first album released under the deal, appeared in the spring of 1995 to uniformly excellent reviews, especially in the American press, who had previously ignored him. Despite the promotional push behind the album and his popular sets at the 1995 Lollapalooza, the album wasn't a commercial success. The following year, Moby suddenly abandoned techno to record an album of heavy guitar rock, Animal Rights. The album received mixed reviews. I Like to Score followed in 1997, and in mid-1999 he returned to electronic music with the Grammy-nominated Play. ~ Stephen Thomas Erlewine, All Music Guide - ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 15:38:34 -0500 From: Leah D Schenkenberg Subject: OV: Cobain, Celine, and Britney - no DA content I saw that same special on Cobain's death...VH1 is kind of a sickness for me. Anyway, I guess I buy some of what they say. The handwriting, the differences in the suicide note, but the guys who are writing the book are saying "He had never been happier in his life three months earlier" blah blah blah, and that really doens't hold weight for me. Maybe he did say that, but he also had a heck of a lot of heroin in his blood, and that typically can mess up your sense of immediate judgement. Like any other icon, people are always going to come out and say that it was a conspiracy and murder. 20 mintues later on that show, there were people convinced that Bob Marley was *injected* with melonoma by the CIA... I think Celine has a place in my generation, but it's not the one that Christina Aguilera is now taking.....according to how I grew up in jr high and high school, I'd say that Mariah Carey was maybe what Aguilera is now. Celine has a different audience, but she still has her place. My best friend saw Titanic 9 times in the theatre. The high school next to mine had a Titanic theme for prom. She wasn't exactly the crop top 17 year old that's out now, but she recieves the same kind of judgement: some people love her simply because the media does, and some people hate her for the same reason. Influence isn't universal across generations. Britney is not exactly musically effecting my age group because most of us have grown out of junior high, but nearly every guy on my floor has a poster of her in his room. Take someone 5 years younger than me...not exactly an entire generation, but not only will they not know the profound meaning of "wax on, wax off", they'll probably think Britney is pretty darn cool. ANYway...I know I've said before that I think Justin and Mark McGrath look totally alike, and I was basically shot down, but I still see it. I have the Cry to be Found poster up in my room and a picture of Mr McGrath on my computer, and they *still* look identical to me...give or take a couple inches in biceps, maybe. I'm done now. Leah Scrawny, under-nourished models peek out from billboards adjacent to giant signs announcing the return of Wendy's Bacon Mushroom Melt...Is it any surprise we wash down our Big Macs with Diet Cokes? The only people satisfying the insatiable needs of the capitalist machine and at the same time pleasing the thin-obsessed society are bulimics, the perfect citizins. - Camryn Manheim ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 18:41:12 -0500 From: Leah D Schenkenberg Subject: OV: Ripping - no DA content I'd been referred to MusicMatch here before, but now that I'm at school and actually have a good enough connection to download the software, it can't connect me with the download site. Can someone give me another ripper to try or let me know if it's just my computer or the download site? thanks Leah Scrawny, under-nourished models peek out from billboards adjacent to giant signs announcing the return of Wendy's Bacon Mushroom Melt...Is it any surprise we wash down our Big Macs with Diet Cokes? The only people satisfying the insatiable needs of the capitalist machine and at the same time pleasing the thin-obsessed society are bulimics, the perfect citizins. - Camryn Manheim ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 18:47:52 -0500 From: Leah D Schenkenberg Subject: OV: ripping - no content It's working now...so never mind. I apologize profusely. Leah Scrawny, under-nourished models peek out from billboards adjacent to giant signs announcing the return of Wendy's Bacon Mushroom Melt...Is it any surprise we wash down our Big Macs with Diet Cokes? The only people satisfying the insatiable needs of the capitalist machine and at the same time pleasing the thin-obsessed society are bulimics, the perfect citizins. - Camryn Manheim ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ End of oppositeview-digest V2 #98 *********************************