From: owner-oppositeview-digest@smoe.org (oppositeview-digest) To: oppositeview-digest@smoe.org Subject: oppositeview-digest V2 #61 Reply-To: oppositeview@smoe.org Sender: owner-oppositeview-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-oppositeview-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk oppositeview-digest Thursday, July 20 2000 Volume 02 : Number 061 Today's Subjects: ----------------- OV: Re: delurking [Shevale@aol.com] OV: Re: oppositeview-digest V2 #58 ["debbie" ] Re: OV: Re: oppositeview-digest V2 #58 ["Liz Osborne" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 11:28:28 EDT From: Shevale@aol.com Subject: OV: Re: delurking Hmmm. Well, I'm not sure if I qualify as a lurker, seeing as I've posted a couple of times this year. However, I DO have something to say re: the latest rantings of a few dissatisfied listers. As a perennial lurker, meself, I've been eavesdropping for several years. At first, I was a bit uncomfortable posting publicly for two reasons: 1) I didn't think I had anything worthwhile to say; and 2) the thought of posting something to several hundred strangers made me nervous -- sort of like undressing in public, if my analogy isn't too weird. (Let's not get into weird analogies here). Now, my first reason still exists, I don't have anything worthwhile to say -- usually. By meeting and getting to know some of the people who used to post a lot, but lately have been rather quiet -- Libby, Andrew, Jane, Doug, Leigh, Hilary, Caroline, Kevin, Anna, Zoe, Mike, Lynn, Dean, Debs, Russell, Karen, Lori, Susan and others (some of whom lurk) (giving that I suffer from CRAFT (can't remember a freaking thing) syndrome, please forgive me for omitting you from this list) -- I feel less compunction about posting. Moreover, the people whom I have met through this list are quite simply WONDERFUL. Warm, inclusive, intelligent (notwithstanding some of the goofy stuff that sometimes gets posted to the list), and FUNNY. So, if you're feeling left out, perhaps you've got to extend the hand of friendship. It won't be slapped away by any of the above names, that I can vouch for. back to my cage, Sherry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 13:17:30 -0500 From: "debbie" Subject: OV: Re: oppositeview-digest V2 #58 V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-oppositeview@smoe.org Precedence: bulk I've only just got resubbed to this list and I know I'm walking into the middle of things, but I just had to post a comment about all those that are complaining about the "off topic" stuff. It's always been my experience that e-mail groups end up in developing friendships. If you ONLY talk to your friends about Del Amitri (or even just about music in general) how sad are you!?! Yes, we're all united by a common bond in our love for Del Amitri, but there are other things in life and I, for one, don't mind hearing about other people's experiences, feelings, interests, etc. Oh, and whoever has the 14 year old doing housework should be commended! Whoever's complaining about not knowing any 14 year olds that do housework must be (or have friends that are) lazy and undisciplined in the rearing of their children. I wish my parents had been more insistant on me doing housework at 14, then maybe I wouldn't be such a slob now, since I cannot afford a maid to do what I was undisciplined in doing....housework! What I would suggest for those that don't exactly want the "human touch" in this e-mail group would be for them to check out newsgroups instead. They're a bit more impersonal and may be more well suited for those with one-track minds. Also, you only have to download the message that seem to be of interest to you. (Although, I must say, my delete key works just as well.) As has been pointed out, when there is some actual Dels news to report, you can bet that this list will be ablaze with "on topic" e-mail. I suspect that some of those complaining are doing so because they themselves have not reached out to anyone to have a human conversation and are probably just jealous of those that do. I know at first glance this list seemed a little "cliqueish", but if you'll speak up instead of just lurking, I've found that people will talk to you, both onlist and off (Peggy, Kristy, Leah, Alison, et.al.). You have to be a friend to make a friend. Have a nice day, debbie P.S. Nigel, you cracked me up! :-) "If those who only see the bad things don't even try to lift their feet out of the muck & mire, they'll never make it to the fields of flowers, dancing or not." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 15:57:33 CDT From: "Liz Osborne" Subject: Re: OV: Re: oppositeview-digest V2 #58 Okay...I have been slammed and slammed some more regarding my offensive post of last Saturday. I first must say that in response to this particular e-mail, I am NOT lazy in the rearing of my children. My kids are the two most wonderful people that I know and I love them dearly. They are great, they help around the house, and I don't just make them listent to Crowded House and the Dels! My daughter is 9 - so we have plenty of N'Sync and BB's to go a long way. I have read all of these posts directed toward mine and appreciate all of the opposite interpretations of it. I apologize for offending ANYONE and just want to say that I am really humbled by all you guys have said about people becoming friends on this list, etc. I understand more and hope that my comments (because they'll be much different now) will be accepted and hope to make some new friends myself. I see things more clearly. Nigel and I made nice, by the way. We shared more than one "one on one" e-mail and Yes, he cracked me up, too. Also, I am glad to know there are other people on here who like Crowded House, but maybe don't think they are "it." Thanks for reading... Liz Osborne >From: "debbie" >To: >Subject: OV: Re: oppositeview-digest V2 #58 >Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 13:17:30 -0500 > >V5.00.2919.6600 >Sender: owner-oppositeview@smoe.org >Precedence: bulk > >I've only just got resubbed to this list and I know >I'm walking into the >middle of things, but I just had to post a comment >about all those that are >complaining about the "off topic" stuff. It's always >been my experience >that e-mail groups end up in developing friendships. >If you ONLY talk to >your friends about Del Amitri (or even just about >music in general) how sad >are you!?! Yes, we're all united by a common bond in >our love for Del >Amitri, but there are other things in life and >I, for one, don't mind >hearing about other people's experiences, feelings, >interests, etc. > >Oh, and whoever has the 14 year old doing housework >should be commended! >Whoever's complaining about not knowing any 14 year >olds that do housework >must be (or have friends that are) lazy and >undisciplined in the rearing of >their children. I wish my parents had been more >insistant on me doing >housework at 14, then maybe I wouldn't be such a slob >now, since I cannot >afford a maid to do what I was undisciplined in >doing....housework! > >What I would suggest for those that don't exactly want >the "human touch" in >this e-mail group would be for them to check out >newsgroups instead. >They're a bit more impersonal and may be more well >suited for those with >one-track minds. Also, you only have to download the >message that seem to >be of interest to you. (Although, I must say, my >delete key works just as >well.) As has been pointed out, when there is some >actual Dels news to >report, you can bet that this list will be ablaze with >"on topic" e-mail. I >suspect that some of those complaining are doing so >because they themselves >have not reached out to anyone to have a human >conversation and are probably >just jealous of those that do. I know at first glance >this list seemed a >little "cliqueish", but if you'll speak up instead of >just lurking, I've >found that people will talk to you, both onlist and >off (Peggy, Kristy, >Leah, Alison, et.al.). You have to be a friend to >make a friend. > >Have a nice day, >debbie > >P.S. Nigel, you cracked me up! :-) > >"If those who only see the bad things don't even try >to lift their feet out >of the muck & mire, they'll never make it to the >fields of flowers, dancing >or not." > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! >http://mail.yahoo.com/ ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 19:49:21 -0500 From: "debbie" Subject: Re: OV: Re: oppositeview-digest V2 #58 Liz, I didn't mean to say that you were lazy in rearing your children. The way it came across (whoever made the statement) was that there was no such thing as 14 year olds doing housework in today's society, like it was an unreasonable thing for a parent to ask/demand. I know a lot of kids these days are spoiled, but really, I think it would be a good thing for a child to know how to wash their own clothes, make a simple meal, learn to scrub bathtubs and toilets, make their own beds, etc. Mommy's not going to be around to do it for them forever and if they're like me, although they'd love to, they won't all be able to afford a housekeeper. 'Til we have some real Dels news, I hope people will continue to get to know each other. Who knows, some of us could bump into each other at the record store buying the new CD when it comes out or better yet, at a show if they happen to breeze through your town. :-) have a nice day, debbie "If those who only see the bad things don't even try to lift their feet out of the muck & mire, they'll never make it to the fields of flowers, dancing or not." - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Liz Osborne" To: ; Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2000 3:57 PM Subject: Re: OV: Re: oppositeview-digest V2 #58 > Okay...I have been slammed and slammed some more regarding my offensive post > of last Saturday. I first must say that in response to this particular > e-mail, I am NOT lazy in the rearing of my children. My kids are the two > most wonderful people that I know and I love them dearly. They are great, > they help around the house, and I don't just make them listent to Crowded > House and the Dels! My daughter is 9 - so we have plenty of N'Sync and BB's > to go a long way. I have read all of these posts directed toward mine and > appreciate all of the opposite interpretations of it. I apologize for > offending ANYONE and just want to say that I am really humbled by all you > guys have said about people becoming friends on this list, etc. I > understand more and hope that my comments (because they'll be much different > now) will be accepted and hope to make some new friends myself. I see > things more clearly. > > Nigel and I made nice, by the way. We shared more than one "one on one" > e-mail and Yes, he cracked me up, too. > > Also, I am glad to know there are other people on here who like Crowded > House, but maybe don't think they are "it." > > Thanks for reading... > > Liz Osborne > > > >From: "debbie" > >To: > >Subject: OV: Re: oppositeview-digest V2 #58 > >Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 13:17:30 -0500 > > > >V5.00.2919.6600 > >Sender: owner-oppositeview@smoe.org > >Precedence: bulk > > > >I've only just got resubbed to this list and I know > >I'm walking into the > >middle of things, but I just had to post a comment > >about all those that are > >complaining about the "off topic" stuff. It's always > >been my experience > >that e-mail groups end up in developing friendships. > >If you ONLY talk to > >your friends about Del Amitri (or even just about > >music in general) how sad > >are you!?! Yes, we're all united by a common bond in > >our love for Del > >Amitri, but there are other things in life and > >I, for one, don't mind > >hearing about other people's experiences, feelings, > >interests, etc. > > > >Oh, and whoever has the 14 year old doing housework > >should be commended! > >Whoever's complaining about not knowing any 14 year > >olds that do housework > >must be (or have friends that are) lazy and > >undisciplined in the rearing of > >their children. I wish my parents had been more > >insistant on me doing > >housework at 14, then maybe I wouldn't be such a slob > >now, since I cannot > >afford a maid to do what I was undisciplined in > >doing....housework! > > > >What I would suggest for those that don't exactly want > >the "human touch" in > >this e-mail group would be for them to check out > >newsgroups instead. > >They're a bit more impersonal and may be more well > >suited for those with > >one-track minds. Also, you only have to download the > >message that seem to > >be of interest to you. (Although, I must say, my > >delete key works just as > >well.) As has been pointed out, when there is some > >actual Dels news to > >report, you can bet that this list will be ablaze with > >"on topic" e-mail. I > >suspect that some of those complaining are doing so > >because they themselves > >have not reached out to anyone to have a human > >conversation and are probably > >just jealous of those that do. I know at first glance > >this list seemed a > >little "cliqueish", but if you'll speak up instead of > >just lurking, I've > >found that people will talk to you, both onlist and > >off (Peggy, Kristy, > >Leah, Alison, et.al.). You have to be a friend to > >make a friend. > > > >Have a nice day, > >debbie > > > >P.S. Nigel, you cracked me up! :-) > > > >"If those who only see the bad things don't even try > >to lift their feet out > >of the muck & mire, they'll never make it to the > >fields of flowers, dancing > >or not." > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! > >http://mail.yahoo.com/ > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > ------------------------------ End of oppositeview-digest V2 #61 *********************************