From: owner-oppositeview-digest@smoe.org (oppositeview-digest) To: oppositeview-digest@smoe.org Subject: oppositeview-digest V2 #6 Reply-To: oppositeview@smoe.org Sender: owner-oppositeview-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-oppositeview-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk oppositeview-digest Tuesday, May 23 2000 Volume 02 : Number 006 Today's Subjects: ----------------- OV: Iain's Birthday alst week ["Jane Armstrong" ] OV: It ain't me babe. . . topical or not? ["Alex Demidh" ] OV: New tracks ["Jane Armstrong" ] OV: Re: oppositeview-digest V2 #5 [David I Soffer ] OV: Album update ["Kevin Cawthorne - www.delamitri.co.uk" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 07:37:40 +0100 From: "Jane Armstrong" Subject: OV: Iain's Birthday alst week I was catching up on my mails from last week, and found one from InfoBeat - which listed a lot of birthdays for 19th May as follows: *Happy Birthday* - ---------------- - - Singer-songwriter Mickey Newbury is 60. - - Rock musician Pete Townshend (The Who) is 55. - - Rock musician Phil Rudd (AC/DC) is 54. - - Concert pianist David Helfgott is 53. - - Rock singer-musician Dusty Hill (ZZ Top) is 51. - - Singer-actress Grace Jones is 48. - - Rock singer Joey Ramone (The Ramones) is 48. - - Rock musician Iain Harvie (Del Amitri) is 38. - - Rock singer Jenny Berggren (Ace of Base) is 28. Some very talented people born on this day! Iain's in good company. Jane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Join us for our weekly chat - 9pm GMT Thursdays (now with voice) on http://homepages.tesco.net/~jane.armstrong/chat.html Please note my new URL: http://homepages.tesco.net/~jane.armstrong Del Amitri Pages: http:///homepages.tesco.net/~jane.armstrong/Delpage.html Join The Devlins Mailing List: http://www.egroups.com/subscribe/TheDevlins ICQ # 34643730 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 11:00:56 +0100 From: "Alex Demidh" Subject: OV: It ain't me babe. . . topical or not? What I think She Sees. . . . . great song, but too short? Yes I think so too, and so apparently, so does Justin. I recall at nearly all (only missed two, *I know - show off*) of the gigs on the UK tour last year a nice 'extended' version of the song was given an airing. At the end of it, Justin sings "It ain't me babe, no, no, no, it ain't me babe, it ain't me that your lookin' for". Where have we heard those immortal lines before, that's right, Dylan. in his song "It Ain't Me Babe". Did anyone else spot this ? Alex :) "And sometimes she looks at me, and says 'babe, my heart just stalled',But what I think she sees ain't me at all" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 08:26:40 -0500 From: "S Meyer" Subject: OV: Re: It ain't me babe. . . topical or not? > At the end of it, > Justin sings "It ain't me babe, no, no, no, it ain't me babe, > it ain't me that your lookin' for". Hmmm . . why do I seem to remember this? He didn' t do this in Mpls that I remember (or did he?) Cindy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 11:25:27 EDT From: Shevale@aol.com Subject: OV: Re: oppositeview-digest V2 #3 Libby wrote: > I'd be quite keen to hear Tom Jones' version of Just Like A Man just to > see if it would be as bad as his version of the Talikng Heads classic, > Burning Down The House. > > And what about a current boy band covering a slower song and making Justin > a rich man? It seems like Westlife can cover any ballad and it goes to > number one. Or is this sacrilige? ;-) As far as Tom Jones goes, some of you know that he is one of my "guilty pleasures", so of course I'd love to hear him cover a dels song. I love his version of Prince's "Kiss". I've never heard his version of 'Burning Down the House", but really, how bad could it be? As a suggestion for TJ's dels cover, how 'bout "Kiss this thing goodbye"? And I love Libby's suggestion of a boys band cover: My vote would be Backstreet Boys doing "Tell Her This" or "It Might As Well Be You". Couldn't you just see the teeny boppers swooning (for the same reason some of us "swoon" when we hear these songs)? And, Jane wrote re: whether del Amitri are "pop": > But does it really matter? I HATE labels in music. Del Amitri are a great > band. Full Stop. I fully agree! I don't believe that labels of music genres are the end all of defining music. Perhaps labeling by genre helps music shops to categorize music in a way that might assist their customers, but that's about the only usefulness to such labeling that I can imagine. More importantly, I don't think of "pop" music as a denigrating or demeaning label. (Which I think some people do - not necessarily on this list, but in general.) Pop music, to my mind, is simply music for the masses. And music for the masses has certainly changed over the centuries. I suppose, at one time, Bach or Beethoven were considered the "pop" musicians/composers of their time. I tend to appreciate music that makes me feel something or that evokes images that I find beautiful. My taste runs through so many different genres: pop, rock, soul, funk, r&b, classical, standards, doo wop, and, in some cases, show tunes. (Have I just revealed yet another guilty pleasure?) On the other hand, I know many people who appreciate the music of various performance artists or what I term discordant composers (for lack of a better term). These people typically are much more knowledgeable than I about music - - music theory, music composition, etc. However, that form of music often leaves me cold. I just don't get it - the enjoyment of hearing assorted vocal tones with no apparent melody. I've been told on more than one occasion that I'm supposed to be listening to the notes that are NOT played. Pray tell, what the hell does that mean?! Admittedly, there are certainly "melodic" performers who get on my last nerve - Britney Spears is a good example. Now, I've babbled on and I'm not really sure why. Go figure. Sherry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 12:39:32 -0400 From: "Susan & C. Reid Gardner" Subject: OV: Re:Re: pop/labels Shevale@aol.com wrote: > And, Jane wrote re: whether del Amitri are "pop": > > But does it really matter? I HATE labels in music. Del Amitri are a great > > band. Full Stop. > I fully agree! I don't believe that labels of music genres are the end all > of defining music. ... > I tend to appreciate music that makes me feel something or that evokes images > that I find beautiful. My taste runs through so many different genres: pop, > rock, soul, funk, r&b, classical, standards, doo wop, and, in some cases, > show tunes. Well said. No show tunes on my turntable, but at this moment I do have 2 Dels cds (Hatful & Waking Hours), Al Petteway (the finest stateside Celtic-flavored guitarist on the planet), Skillet (Christian techno-rock) and Stevie Ray Vaughan (blues rock). They are polar opposites in some ways, but I'm just smitten with each one and find that each holds its own charms. Here's to variety! TTFN Susan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 15:08:41 +0100 From: "Jane Armstrong" Subject: OV: New tracks Just had a mail from The Del Amitri Mailing List - and I'm sure Kevin will be sending the news on here - but the main bit of news which has me sighing with relief is that the two Kevin Bacon/Jonathan Quarmby tracks "don't follow the "soul" mood of CTBF". Phew!!! And we have names for these tracks too. And a potential producer for the other tracks. My excitement level is rising....... Jane ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 18:01:10 -0400 (EDT) From: David I Soffer Subject: OV: Re: oppositeview-digest V2 #5 please take me off this mailing list. my email address is dsoffer@student.umass.edu thank you, david soffer ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 23:32:04 -0500 From: Leah D Schenkenberg Subject: OV: pop I don't like labeling music either, but if someone asks me what Del Amitri is, I couldn't bring myself to say pop. Whether or not we're cool enough to look past labels and decide if we like it or not instead of what radio station it's played on, some people can't. If someone sees my DA stuff all over my room and says "What kind of music are they?", saying "pop" would instantly bring to mind Jennifer Lopez and Britney Spears. I know that pop is short for popular, but regardless of what is popular or not, in *my* generation, pop has come to mean a certain type of music, regardless of its sales or following. Ever since Michael Jackson became "the king of pop", the term transcended "what is popular" and became a way to describe a sound, just like the labels of grunge or techno or ska, etc. I like lots of different music too, including some "pop", but it's just scary to describe DA to my friends as that, because their idea of "pop" is equated with "not much talent". Which I can understand. Britney Spears does an awesome job at dancing and selling records, but can she sing? Like an emphesymatic. Can she write? Who knows....maybe we're better off not knowing. Saying Del Amitri is a pop group (knowing that Britney Spears is considered a pop artist) doesn't make me very comfortable as to how my non exposed friends are going to react to my fervent cries of "but they are so awesome!!!" But that's my midwestern college student opinion...I know it differs in different areas and age groups. Way to be Susan for having Skillet in her changer!!!! I nearly died body surfing at a concert of theirs!!! Leah, who has STING tickets and is really freaking excited (despite the fact she has no one to go with her) There's a king on a throne with his eyes torn out; There's a blind man looking for a shadow of doubt. There's a rich man sleeping on a golden bed; There's a skeleton choking on a crust of bread... ~ sting ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 09:13:22 +0100 From: "Kevin Cawthorne - www.delamitri.co.uk" Subject: OV: Album update We have been told that 2 tracks for the new album are now complete. The first one is called "She Ain't coming back", originally called "The buttons on my coat"! The second track is called "Baby It's me". These tracks were produced, as reported before, by Kevin Bacon and Jonathan Quarmby, who both produced "Cry To Be Found". We are hoping to have some further information on these tracks soon, but are told they don't follow the "soul" mood of "Cry To Be Found". The band are now planning the next tracks and are possibly going to be working with Hugh Jones, who helped the band producing "Waking Hours". ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 09:24:16 +0100 () From: Libby Graham Subject: Re: OV: Album update This is such fabulous news! I agree with Jane that the worry that the "soul" of CTBF would continue. It will be fabulous to hear if he produces them differently over 10 years later ...... or do others think that it's impossible to go back??? Libby On Tue, 23 May 2000, Kevin Cawthorne - www.delamitri.co.uk wrote: > The band are now planning the next tracks and are possibly going to be > working with Hugh Jones, who helped the band producing "Waking Hours". ------------------------------ End of oppositeview-digest V2 #6 ********************************