From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #766 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Website:http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe:mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Monday, August 24 2015 Volume 2014 : Number 766 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #760 ["Robert Sartorius" ] RE: Black Crow, Dylan ["Susan E. McNamara" ] Re: Black Crow, Dylan [lcs4bike@yahoo.com] Re: Black Crow, Dylan [Dave Blackburn ] Re: Black Crow on guitar [Jeff Clark ] Bobfest [Steve Dulson ] Re: Black Crow on guitar [Jeff Clark ] RE: Black Crow, Dylan ["Susan E. McNamara" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2015 16:15:50 -0400 From: "Robert Sartorius" Subject: RE: onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #760 Scott Price wrote to Sue M re Dylan: "I agree with every word you wrote. Except to his list of shortcomings I think she also said he had bad breath! :-)" I have virtually every Joni album ever recorded but not a single Dylan record. During the 1998 tour, I still re-live the Van Morrison and Joni Mitchell sets, and don't regret leaving the venue as Dylan began playing. He just doesn't do it for me. I grant you his place as the seminal singer-songwriter can't be denied, but man did she (Joni) raise the bar with such style, sophistication, and raw truth and emotion. Scott" I tend to agree with you, Scott. I too have walked out of a few shows in my life, for different reasons. For example, I walked out on Elton John at MSG because the sound was so terrible. And, I decided not to attend the Jackson Browne set when he opened for Joni at Carnegie Hall in Feb. 1972 - no regrets on that one, but no offense, either, since that concert was a religious pilgrimage for me, not to be despoiled. However, the 6 CDs in my car at the moment include 3 Jonis (Court and Spark, Blue and Turbulent Indigo), Jackson Browne's greatest hits (first CD), Blood on the Tracks and Abbey Road - all on shuffle. I suggest you all try something like that, to get a sense of song quality and sound quality. Pick something other than Abbey Road, which loses a lot in the shuffle, to say the least. But though I like that Dylan album, as a musician he is decidedly less masterful than some of the others in that rota - and it shows up when juxtaposed like that. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2015 15:13:48 +0000 From: "Susan E. McNamara" Subject: RE: Black Crow, Dylan Yes, we will miss you and Robin this year, Dave!! <3 - -----Original Message----- From: Dave Blackburn [mailto:beatntrack@att.net] Sent: Friday, August 21, 2015 10:35 AM To: Susan E. McNamara Cc: lcs4bike@yahoo.com; JMDL JMDL Subject: Re: Black Crow, Dylan Yes, Michael Dunn in Sydney deserves much praise. Hebs a meticulous transcriber, and fast too, which is a rare combination. Once Mike Gibbs sent me he original Paprika Plains score Michael and I set to work and between us we had it done in 4 weeks. Ibve never met him and hebs not even a JMDL member! In 2009 he submitted a transcription of I Had a King to the website, and I wrote him back asking if hebd like to help me work through the piano catalog, since hebs very good and we use compatible software. The job is close to complete now. Therebs still The Last Time I Saw Richard, One Week Last Summer and a song or two off LOTC to do, if I remember correctly. Enjoy the fest. I wish I could be there. Dave > On Aug 21, 2015, at 6:58 AM, Susan E. McNamara wrote: > > Thanks Laura. Your experience with the Joni Mitchell Guitar and Piano database is exactly what I wanted when we founded it almost 20 years ago now. (I think the founding was 1996 or 1997) The big question was and still is "How does Joni play it?" I want to say the database would not be what it is today without our lead Master of Disaster Les Irvin, and guitar and piano managing directors Dave Blackburn, Mark Domyancich, Marian Russell, and Howard Wright. I'd also like to give kudos to Dave's piano transcription partner, Michael Dunn for aiding Dave in the monumental task of transcribing the complete scores of Down To You and Paprika Plains. Wow. Phenomenal. And thanks to everyone who ever submitted a tab or chord sheet. It's an amazing archive which continues to improve day by day with all your help. > > Thanks and much love to all, Sue > > http://jonimitchell.com/music/guitar.cfm > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of lcs4bike@yahoo.com > Sent: Friday, August 21, 2015 5:40 AM > To: Joni List > Subject: Re: Black Crow, Dylan > > I only have one thing to say about Black Crow and that is Kay Ashley brings that song to life!!! > > Dylan...when I was a senior in high school two different close friends gave me the same huge song book of his songs. I learned to play guitar from that book in my college dorm room after my roomate moved out because of my playing and the dorm never moved another person in with me. Another friend said she didn't know of anybody else who was so into Dylan. She dated a professional singer/guitar player who told me I should learn more than just Dylan. So I got one of those compilation guitar books, 1976. It had a Joni song in it, but it didn't sound right...I had no clue that alternate tuning existed and that's why it sounded wrong in standard. I couldn't move myself to play and sing that Joni song wrong. > > I got bored with Dylan eventually. Joni is another story. For decades, my ongoing question was, "what the hell is she doing?!" I came up with a few things all over the guitar neck in standard tuning that sort of captured her songs. But mostly I gave up until in about 2002 I finally had Internet and did a search for Joni and guitar, found Sue, Marian, and Howard's tabs and a lifetime of frustration over wrong sounding chords for Joni's songs ended. I remember running outside to find my husband (who lives outside when home despite the heat) and I had him listen as I was like a kid on Christmas and played and sang Conversation right!!! Monumental find...thanks guys!!! I created my own Joni songbook printing out y'all's tabs and by making a list categorizing Joni songs by timings. > > I was and still am for the most part a closet guitar player/singer. I can only feel comfortable playing and singing suprano in the upstairs choir or for my Mac Photo Booth. I've learned mostly on my own but the Jonifests have been great with the sharing and workshops. Jenny, Sue, and Dave... Thanks!!! > > The bottom line for me in regard to Dylan is I have loved him and learned from him but Joni is so much more to me in my life as a closet guitar player and singer. I still feel like a Child on Christmas when I learn another Joni song now out of her Complete So Far guitar book. I'm not connected to a Dylan discussion list nor do I go to Dylanfests if there is such a thing. > > I play and sing an equal amount of a variety of artists as I do Joni, but I've never learned and continued to grow so much and so continuously with any artist as with Joni. Dylan got me started, but Joni has been/is my fascination of a lifetime. She's challenged my skills, heart, and mind. I have so much gratitude for her sharing of her talent and her willingness to bare her soul in her songs. I wish I could be more able to play freely and in front of people and warm up to the listeners like she has always done, but unfortunately I'm quirky like Dylan in that realm. > > Chuck Mitchell has the gift of being warm with his audience. I really admire him for this and love his sound. I'm so glad he will be at the upcoming fest in SC!!!! I hope he sings Tennessee Stud and look forward to singing with him in the song circles. > > Love, > Laura > > Sent from my iPhone ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2015 04:39:52 -0500 From: lcs4bike@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Black Crow, Dylan I only have one thing to say about Black Crow and that is Kay Ashley brings that song to life!!! Dylan...when I was a senior in high school two different close friends gave me the same huge song book of his songs. I learned to play guitar from that book in my college dorm room after my roomate moved out because of my playing and the dorm never moved another person in with me. Another friend said she didn't know of anybody else who was so into Dylan. She dated a professional singer/guitar player who told me I should learn more than just Dylan. So I got one of those compilation guitar books, 1976. It had a Joni song in it, but it didn't sound right...I had no clue that alternate tuning existed and that's why it sounded wrong in standard. I couldn't move myself to play and sing that Joni song wrong. I got bored with Dylan eventually. Joni is another story. For decades, my ongoing question was, "what the hell is she doing?!" I came up with a few things all over the guitar neck in standard tuning that sort of captured her songs. But mostly I gave up until in about 2002 I finally had Internet and did a search for Joni and guitar, found Sue, Marian, and Howard's tabs and a lifetime of frustration over wrong sounding chords for Joni's songs ended. I remember running outside to find my husband (who lives outside when home despite the heat) and I had him listen as I was like a kid on Christmas and played and sang Conversation right!!! Monumental find...thanks guys!!! I created my own Joni songbook printing out y'all's tabs and by making a list categorizing Joni songs by timings. I was and still am for the most part a closet guitar player/singer. I can only feel comfortable playing and singing suprano in the upstairs choir or for my Mac Photo Booth. I've learned mostly on my own but the Jonifests have been great with the sharing and workshops. Jenny, Sue, and Dave... Thanks!!! The bottom line for me in regard to Dylan is I have loved him and learned from him but Joni is so much more to me in my life as a closet guitar player and singer. I still feel like a Child on Christmas when I learn another Joni song now out of her Complete So Far guitar book. I'm not connected to a Dylan discussion list nor do I go to Dylanfests if there is such a thing. I play and sing an equal amount of a variety of artists as I do Joni, but I've never learned and continued to grow so much and so continuously with any artist as with Joni. Dylan got me started, but Joni has been/is my fascination of a lifetime. She's challenged my skills, heart, and mind. I have so much gratitude for her sharing of her talent and her willingness to bare her soul in her songs. I wish I could be more able to play freely and in front of people and warm up to the listeners like she has always done, but unfortunately I'm quirky like Dylan in that realm. Chuck Mitchell has the gift of being warm with his audience. I really admire him for this and love his sound. I'm so glad he will be at the upcoming fest in SC!!!! I hope he sings Tennessee Stud and look forward to singing with him in the song circles. Love, Laura Sent from my iPhone ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2015 07:35:11 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: Black Crow, Dylan Yes, Michael Dunn in Sydney deserves much praise. Hebs a meticulous transcriber, and fast too, which is a rare combination. Once Mike Gibbs sent me he original Paprika Plains score Michael and I set to work and between us we had it done in 4 weeks. Ibve never met him and hebs not even a JMDL member! In 2009 he submitted a transcription of I Had a King to the website, and I wrote him back asking if hebd like to help me work through the piano catalog, since hebs very good and we use compatible software. The job is close to complete now. Therebs still The Last Time I Saw Richard, One Week Last Summer and a song or two off LOTC to do, if I remember correctly. Enjoy the fest. I wish I could be there. Dave > On Aug 21, 2015, at 6:58 AM, Susan E. McNamara wrote: > > Thanks Laura. Your experience with the Joni Mitchell Guitar and Piano database is exactly what I wanted when we founded it almost 20 years ago now. (I think the founding was 1996 or 1997) The big question was and still is "How does Joni play it?" I want to say the database would not be what it is today without our lead Master of Disaster Les Irvin, and guitar and piano managing directors Dave Blackburn, Mark Domyancich, Marian Russell, and Howard Wright. I'd also like to give kudos to Dave's piano transcription partner, Michael Dunn for aiding Dave in the monumental task of transcribing the complete scores of Down To You and Paprika Plains. Wow. Phenomenal. And thanks to everyone who ever submitted a tab or chord sheet. It's an amazing archive which continues to improve day by day with all your help. > > Thanks and much love to all, Sue > > http://jonimitchell.com/music/guitar.cfm > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of lcs4bike@yahoo.com > Sent: Friday, August 21, 2015 5:40 AM > To: Joni List > Subject: Re: Black Crow, Dylan > > I only have one thing to say about Black Crow and that is Kay Ashley brings that song to life!!! > > Dylan...when I was a senior in high school two different close friends gave me the same huge song book of his songs. I learned to play guitar from that book in my college dorm room after my roomate moved out because of my playing and the dorm never moved another person in with me. Another friend said she didn't know of anybody else who was so into Dylan. She dated a professional singer/guitar player who told me I should learn more than just Dylan. So I got one of those compilation guitar books, 1976. It had a Joni song in it, but it didn't sound right...I had no clue that alternate tuning existed and that's why it sounded wrong in standard. I couldn't move myself to play and sing that Joni song wrong. > > I got bored with Dylan eventually. Joni is another story. For decades, my ongoing question was, "what the hell is she doing?!" I came up with a few things all over the guitar neck in standard tuning that sort of captured her songs. But mostly I gave up until in about 2002 I finally had Internet and did a search for Joni and guitar, found Sue, Marian, and Howard's tabs and a lifetime of frustration over wrong sounding chords for Joni's songs ended. I remember running outside to find my husband (who lives outside when home despite the heat) and I had him listen as I was like a kid on Christmas and played and sang Conversation right!!! Monumental find...thanks guys!!! I created my own Joni songbook printing out y'all's tabs and by making a list categorizing Joni songs by timings. > > I was and still am for the most part a closet guitar player/singer. I can only feel comfortable playing and singing suprano in the upstairs choir or for my Mac Photo Booth. I've learned mostly on my own but the Jonifests have been great with the sharing and workshops. Jenny, Sue, and Dave... Thanks!!! > > The bottom line for me in regard to Dylan is I have loved him and learned from him but Joni is so much more to me in my life as a closet guitar player and singer. I still feel like a Child on Christmas when I learn another Joni song now out of her Complete So Far guitar book. I'm not connected to a Dylan discussion list nor do I go to Dylanfests if there is such a thing. > > I play and sing an equal amount of a variety of artists as I do Joni, but I've never learned and continued to grow so much and so continuously with any artist as with Joni. Dylan got me started, but Joni has been/is my fascination of a lifetime. She's challenged my skills, heart, and mind. I have so much gratitude for her sharing of her talent and her willingness to bare her soul in her songs. I wish I could be more able to play freely and in front of people and warm up to the listeners like she has always done, but unfortunately I'm quirky like Dylan in that realm. > > Chuck Mitchell has the gift of being warm with his audience. I really admire him for this and love his sound. I'm so glad he will be at the upcoming fest in SC!!!! I hope he sings Tennessee Stud and look forward to singing with him in the song circles. > > Love, > Laura > > Sent from my iPhone ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2015 13:54:26 +0000 (UTC) From: Jeff Clark Subject: Re: Black Crow on guitar <> Black Crow is so much fun to play. Its an example, someone said, of Joni "letting the guitar do the work" meaning once you get it into its tuning, its pretty simple to play, mostly single finger bar chords. Its fun to slide from 7 to 12th fret, then go to bar 8, then back down to one. Sounds so cool and is so easy anyone could do it! Larry Carlton I think is The Man. I usually say hes my favorite electric guitar player via his Joni stuff, those great Steely Dan solos (i.e., Kid Charlemagne). When his guitar comes in on Help Me as she sings "freedom" gives me total goose bumps and love the fade out. Now that we know Obama is a Joni fan perhaps he could have some sway in getting her a Kennedy Center honor next year, his final year in office. Somebody should run in by him. And Robert Plant could sing BSN at the ceremony. I have to think Obama would enjoy a lot of Joni's stuff (Dog Eat Dog) if he ever heard it. Maybe when he retires he could join the list.JeffNP Jeff Bridges, Crazy Heart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2015 11:40:11 -0400 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Bobfest "Susan E. McNamara" wrote: > Yes, we will miss you and Robin this year, Dave!! <3 Yes indeed! *************************************************** Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA tinkersown@ca.rr.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2015 16:45:32 +0000 (UTC) From: Jeff Clark Subject: Re: Black Crow on guitar I didn't mean to say that because anyone could play it you're not a very good (I'm using the word "great" way too much) guitar player. I've seen several of your videos and watch more as time allows. Its just that some Joni songs are relatively easy to play. Someone at one of Ashara's Jonifests said Joni lets the guitar do the work. The guy that sang "All i Want" substituting the line "wreck my nylons" with "wreck my Jockeys" in a juke box dance. I forget his name. Black Crow is easier to play than Freight Train, at least for me. There are still Joni songs I haven't really nailed, like Ladies of the Canyon with all those hammer ons. I think I'm going to finally order that Complete guitar book. B And I still want to learn her piano songs.B Jeff On Friday, August 21, 2015 10:10 AM, Susan E. McNamara wrote: It is so much fun to play Jeff!B I'm hoping my brother Jim has some kind of gear box he can lend me to get more of that crunchy sound ... Only a week playing electric and I already want to play with fuzz boxes!! Also I think it would be awesome if the POTUS joined the JMDL!!! :-) - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Clark Sent: Friday, August 21, 2015 9:54 AM To: Susan E. McNamara ; JMDL JMDL Subject: Re: Black Crow on guitar <> Black Crow is so much fun to play. Its an example, someone said, of Joni "letting the guitar do the work" meaning once you get it into its tuning, its pretty simple to play, mostly single finger bar chords. Its fun to slide from 7 to 12th fret, then go to bar 8, then back down to one. Sounds so cool and is so easy anyone could do it! Larry Carlton I think is The Man. I usually say hes my favorite electric guitar player via his Joni stuff, those great Steely Dan solos (i.e., Kid Charlemagne). When his guitar comes in on Help Me as she sings "freedom" gives me total goose bumps and love the fade out. Now that we know Obama is a Joni fan perhaps he could have some sway in getting her a Kennedy Center honor next year, his final year in office. Somebody should run in by him. And Robert Plant could sing BSN at the ceremony. I have to think Obama would enjoy a lot of Joni's stuff (Dog Eat Dog) if he ever heard it. Maybe when he retires he could join the list.JeffNP Jeff Bridges, Cr! azy Heart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2015 13:58:41 +0000 From: "Susan E. McNamara" Subject: RE: Black Crow, Dylan Thanks Laura. Your experience with the Joni Mitchell Guitar and Piano database is exactly what I wanted when we founded it almost 20 years ago now. (I think the founding was 1996 or 1997) The big question was and still is "How does Joni play it?" I want to say the database would not be what it is today without our lead Master of Disaster Les Irvin, and guitar and piano managing directors Dave Blackburn, Mark Domyancich, Marian Russell, and Howard Wright. I'd also like to give kudos to Dave's piano transcription partner, Michael Dunn for aiding Dave in the monumental task of transcribing the complete scores of Down To You and Paprika Plains. Wow. Phenomenal. And thanks to everyone who ever submitted a tab or chord sheet. It's an amazing archive which continues to improve day by day with all your help. Thanks and much love to all, Sue http://jonimitchell.com/music/guitar.cfm - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of lcs4bike@yahoo.com Sent: Friday, August 21, 2015 5:40 AM To: Joni List Subject: Re: Black Crow, Dylan I only have one thing to say about Black Crow and that is Kay Ashley brings that song to life!!! Dylan...when I was a senior in high school two different close friends gave me the same huge song book of his songs. I learned to play guitar from that book in my college dorm room after my roomate moved out because of my playing and the dorm never moved another person in with me. Another friend said she didn't know of anybody else who was so into Dylan. She dated a professional singer/guitar player who told me I should learn more than just Dylan. So I got one of those compilation guitar books, 1976. It had a Joni song in it, but it didn't sound right...I had no clue that alternate tuning existed and that's why it sounded wrong in standard. I couldn't move myself to play and sing that Joni song wrong. I got bored with Dylan eventually. Joni is another story. For decades, my ongoing question was, "what the hell is she doing?!" I came up with a few things all over the guitar neck in standard tuning that sort of captured her songs. But mostly I gave up until in about 2002 I finally had Internet and did a search for Joni and guitar, found Sue, Marian, and Howard's tabs and a lifetime of frustration over wrong sounding chords for Joni's songs ended. I remember running outside to find my husband (who lives outside when home despite the heat) and I had him listen as I was like a kid on Christmas and played and sang Conversation right!!! Monumental find...thanks guys!!! I created my own Joni songbook printing out y'all's tabs and by making a list categorizing Joni songs by timings. I was and still am for the most part a closet guitar player/singer. I can only feel comfortable playing and singing suprano in the upstairs choir or for my Mac Photo Booth. I've learned mostly on my own but the Jonifests have been great with the sharing and workshops. Jenny, Sue, and Dave... Thanks!!! The bottom line for me in regard to Dylan is I have loved him and learned from him but Joni is so much more to me in my life as a closet guitar player and singer. I still feel like a Child on Christmas when I learn another Joni song now out of her Complete So Far guitar book. I'm not connected to a Dylan discussion list nor do I go to Dylanfests if there is such a thing. I play and sing an equal amount of a variety of artists as I do Joni, but I've never learned and continued to grow so much and so continuously with any artist as with Joni. Dylan got me started, but Joni has been/is my fascination of a lifetime. She's challenged my skills, heart, and mind. I have so much gratitude for her sharing of her talent and her willingness to bare her soul in her songs. I wish I could be more able to play freely and in front of people and warm up to the listeners like she has always done, but unfortunately I'm quirky like Dylan in that realm. Chuck Mitchell has the gift of being warm with his audience. I really admire him for this and love his sound. I'm so glad he will be at the upcoming fest in SC!!!! I hope he sings Tennessee Stud and look forward to singing with him in the song circles. Love, Laura Sent from my iPhone ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #766 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here:mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe