From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #763 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Website:http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe:mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, August 22 2015 Volume 2014 : Number 763 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: Black Crow on guitar ["Susan E. McNamara" ] Re: Black Crow [Anita ] RE: Black Crow ["Susan E. McNamara" ] RE: Black Crow on guitar ["Susan E. McNamara" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2015 14:10:18 +0000 From: "Susan E. McNamara" Subject: RE: Black Crow on guitar It is so much fun to play Jeff! I'm hoping my brother Jim has some kind of gear box he can lend me to get more of that crunchy sound ... Only a week playing electric and I already want to play with fuzz boxes!! Also I think it would be awesome if the POTUS joined the JMDL!!! :-) - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Clark Sent: Friday, August 21, 2015 9:54 AM To: Susan E. McNamara ; JMDL JMDL Subject: Re: Black Crow on guitar <> Black Crow is so much fun to play. Its an example, someone said, of Joni "letting the guitar do the work" meaning once you get it into its tuning, its pretty simple to play, mostly single finger bar chords. Its fun to slide from 7 to 12th fret, then go to bar 8, then back down to one. Sounds so cool and is so easy anyone could do it! Larry Carlton I think is The Man. I usually say hes my favorite electric guitar player via his Joni stuff, those great Steely Dan solos (i.e., Kid Charlemagne). When his guitar comes in on Help Me as she sings "freedom" gives me total goose bumps and love the fade out. Now that we know Obama is a Joni fan perhaps he could have some sway in getting her a Kennedy Center honor next year, his final year in office. Somebody should run in by him. And Robert Plant could sing BSN at the ceremony. I have to think Obama would enjoy a lot of Joni's stuff (Dog Eat Dog) if he ever heard it. Maybe when he retires he could join the list.JeffNP Jeff Bridges, Cr! azy Heart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2015 09:15:31 +0100 From: Anita Subject: Re: Black Crow I played a version for the tribute for Joni's 60th Birthday in 2003 on Joni's guitar that remains one of my proudest moments, as we only had one rehearsal and it rocked big time. I had a percussion section, Chris Marshall on bass and my great friend, Dave King, on lead guitar. He just took off! I also gave the audience small pictures of crows to hold aloft when joining in the last line! It was fun. Having said that, my favourite version was at Holycombe, Dave, when Robin undertook some great scatting and I think Mr Muller hit the djembe? I was leaping about with gay abandon with Oddmund. I think Black Crow has a magical energy. Good luck with it Sue! Anita On 21 Aug 2015, at 06:01, Dave Blackburn wrote: >> On Aug 20, 2015, at 8:20 AM, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: >> >> Dave, any thoughts from you regarding this arrangement/performance? > > Well Ibve always thought it strange that the one tune on Hejira that kind of > begs for drums has no drums. Also, we know that Jaco was added after Hejira > had been ostensibly finished, so Black Crow may have been just guitar and > voice at one point, or had some other bpicket fenceb bass playing on it. > Jaco and Larry really take this tune into space. That wailing guitar > distortion was not one of Larry Carltonbs usual tones, who typically went > for smooth and bluesy sounds. The tune is in Eb minor and Jaco had to tune his > bass down a half step to be able to grab those cool minor second harmonics (C > and Db) which he was kind of famous for. The rhythm guitar tuning has an ultra > low Bb on the bottom string which goes wildly sharp as soon as you pluck it so > the guitar sound has its own bblack and raggedb thing, in characteristic > Joni tone painting style. > > When we recorded it we kept all those elements and added the drums I always > felt should have been there. > > Dave ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2015 14:02:14 +0000 From: "Susan E. McNamara" Subject: RE: Black Crow Thanks for all your feedback on Black Crow! So many great stories! I will get back out to the West Coast at some point to catch a Mutts gig. The only problem is deciding between Hejira and Mingus!! :-) - -----Original Message----- From: Anita [mailto:lawntreader@googlemail.com] Sent: Friday, August 21, 2015 4:16 AM To: Dave Blackburn Cc: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com; Susan E. McNamara ; JMDL JMDL Subject: Re: Black Crow I played a version for the tribute for Joni's 60th Birthday in 2003 on Joni's guitar that remains one of my proudest moments, as we only had one rehearsal and it rocked big time. I had a percussion section, Chris Marshall on bass and my great friend, Dave King, on lead guitar. He just took off! I also gave the audience small pictures of crows to hold aloft when joining in the last line! It was fun. Having said that, my favourite version was at Holycombe, Dave, when Robin undertook some great scatting and I think Mr Muller hit the djembe? I was leaping about with gay abandon with Oddmund. I think Black Crow has a magical energy. Good luck with it Sue! Anita On 21 Aug 2015, at 06:01, Dave Blackburn wrote: >> On Aug 20, 2015, at 8:20 AM, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: >> >> Dave, any thoughts from you regarding this arrangement/performance? > > Well Ibve always thought it strange that the one tune on Hejira that > kind of begs for drums has no drums. Also, we know that Jaco was added > after Hejira had been ostensibly finished, so Black Crow may have been > just guitar and voice at one point, or had some other bpicket fenceb bass playing on it. > Jaco and Larry really take this tune into space. That wailing guitar > distortion was not one of Larry Carltonbs usual tones, who typically > went for smooth and bluesy sounds. The tune is in Eb minor and Jaco > had to tune his bass down a half step to be able to grab those cool > minor second harmonics (C and Db) which he was kind of famous for. The > rhythm guitar tuning has an ultra low Bb on the bottom string which > goes wildly sharp as soon as you pluck it so the guitar sound has its > own bblack and raggedb thing, in characteristic Joni tone painting style. > > When we recorded it we kept all those elements and added the drums I > always felt should have been there. > > Dave ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2015 18:01:54 +0000 From: "Susan E. McNamara" Subject: RE: Black Crow on guitar Thanks Jeff!!! I appreciate that you have watched my videos!! I'm hoping after my very busy summer I can get back to doing more. :-) - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Clark Sent: Friday, August 21, 2015 12:46 PM To: Susan E. McNamara ; JMDL JMDL Subject: Re: Black Crow on guitar I didn't mean to say that because anyone could play it you're not a very good (I'm using the word "great" way too much) guitar player. I've seen several of your videos and watch more as time allows. Its just that some Joni songs are relatively easy to play. Someone at one of Ashara's Jonifests said Joni lets the guitar do the work. The guy that sang "All i Want" substituting the line "wreck my nylons" with "wreck my Jockeys" in a juke box dance. I forget his name. Black Crow is easier to play than Freight Train, at least for me. There are still Joni songs I haven't really nailed, like Ladies of the Canyon with all those hammer ons. I think I'm going to finally order that Complete guitar book. B And I still want to learn her piano songs.B Jeff On Friday, August 21, 2015 10:10 AM, Susan E. McNamara wrote: It is so much fun to play Jeff!B I'm hoping my brother Jim has some kind of gear box he can lend me to get more of that crunchy sound ... Only a week playing electric and I already want to play with fuzz boxes!! Also I think it would be awesome if the POTUS joined the JMDL!!! :-) - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Clark Sent: Friday, August 21, 2015 9:54 AM To: Susan E. McNamara ; JMDL JMDL Subject: Re: Black Crow on guitar <> Black Crow is so much fun to play. Its an example, someone said, of Joni "letting the guitar do the work" meaning once you get it into its tuning, its pretty simple to play, mostly single finger bar chords. Its fun to slide from 7 to 12th fret, then go to bar 8, then back down to one. Sounds so cool and is so easy anyone could do it! Larry Carlton I think is The Man. I usually say hes my favorite electric guitar player via his Joni stuff, those great Steely Dan solos (i.e., Kid Charlemagne). When his guitar comes in on Help Me as she sings "freedom" gives me total goose bumps and love the fade out. Now that we know Obama is a Joni fan perhaps he could have some sway in getting her a Kennedy Center honor next year, his final year in office. Somebody should run in by him. And Robert Plant could sing BSN at the ceremony. I have to think Obama would enjoy a lot of Joni's stuff (Dog Eat Dog) if he ever heard it. Maybe when he retires he could join the list.JeffNP Jeff Bridges, Cr! azy Heart ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #763 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here:mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe