From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #762 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Website:http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe:mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Friday, August 21 2015 Volume 2014 : Number 762 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Black Crow [Dave Blackburn ] Black Crow ["Susan E. McNamara" ] Re: Joni #9 in Rolling Stone songwriters list [Jeff Clark Subject: Re: Black Crow > On Aug 20, 2015, at 8:20 AM, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: > > Dave, any thoughts from you regarding this arrangement/performance? Well Ibve always thought it strange that the one tune on Hejira that kind of begs for drums has no drums. Also, we know that Jaco was added after Hejira had been ostensibly finished, so Black Crow may have been just guitar and voice at one point, or had some other bpicket fenceb bass playing on it. Jaco and Larry really take this tune into space. That wailing guitar distortion was not one of Larry Carltonbs usual tones, who typically went for smooth and bluesy sounds. The tune is in Eb minor and Jaco had to tune his bass down a half step to be able to grab those cool minor second harmonics (C and Db) which he was kind of famous for. The rhythm guitar tuning has an ultra low Bb on the bottom string which goes wildly sharp as soon as you pluck it so the guitar sound has its own bblack and raggedb thing, in characteristic Joni tone painting style. When we recorded it we kept all those elements and added the drums I always felt should have been there. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2015 14:49:04 +0000 From: "Susan E. McNamara" Subject: Black Crow I'm practicing Black Crow on my new (to me) electric guitar, and I realized that there are no drums on this song, and the rhythm is all Joni. Both Jaco and Larry Carlton seem to be working on flourishes. I find it amazing and pretty daunting although I am pushing on!!! Would love to hear other ideas about this fabulous song! Sue Tierney McNamara Email: sem8@cornell.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2015 20:48:30 +0000 (UTC) From: Jeff Clark Subject: Re: Joni #9 in Rolling Stone songwriters list Susan E. McNamara wrote: > You can hate his voice, you can hate his guitar playing, > That's despite the fact that she thinks he's a plagiarist! > There, I said it. My favorite Dylan songs are written by Dylan and sung by Fairport Convention, eg., Percy's Song, I'll Keep it With Mine, etc. I do enjoy the obliqueness of his lyrics and I like reading interviews with him just like with Joni. His recent interview in AARP was quite good. (that would be my Father's copy!)I've always been of the persuasion that Joni's post-70's career is inarguably (ie., definitive, not to be contested) stronger, more interesting and consistent than anyone else who began recording in the 60's and is still around, though to be fair I've haven't heard everything by Dylan, Neil, Jackson, Van, etc. Joni really has not turkeys in her career. Maybe a ham, but not a turkey.Jeff NP: B Jason Isbell, 24 Frames ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2015 11:08:31 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Black Crow Well of course I love love love this song. It's such a ROCKER even given that there are no drums on it. There lots of great covers of it that rock it out even further. I'm a sucker for a great guitar riff and this one is one of her catchiest. It also starts with that crazy high note...THERE'S a crow flying...another rambling thought, the lyric "diving down to pick up on every shining thing" comes into my head all the time. Bob NP: Quiet Company, "I Heard The Devil Say My Name" From: "Susan E. McNamara" To: "'joni@smoe.org'" , Date: 08/20/2015 10:53 AM Subject: Black Crow Sent by: owner-joni@smoe.org I'm practicing Black Crow on my new (to me) electric guitar, and I realized that there are no drums on this song, and the rhythm is all Joni. Both Jaco and Larry Carlton seem to be working on flourishes. I find it amazing and pretty daunting although I am pushing on!!! Would love to hear other ideas about this fabulous song! Sue Tierney McNamara Email: sem8@cornell.edu - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. 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Bob NP: Wolf Alice, "Giant Peach" From: "Susan E. McNamara" To: "'joni@smoe.org'" , Date: 08/17/2015 05:04 PM Subject: Joni #9 in Rolling Stones Top 100 Songwriters of All Time list Sent by: owner-joni@smoe.org http://www.rollingstone.com/music/lists/100-greatest-songwriters Guess who is #1! Sue Tierney McNamara Email: sem8@cornell.edu - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any and all computers and other devices. 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