From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #759 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Website:http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe:mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, August 19 2015 Volume 2014 : Number 759 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni #9 in Rolling Stones Top 100 Songwriters of All Time list ["Sus] Re: Joni in top 10 ["Mark Scott" ] Re: Joni #9 in Rolling Stones Top 100 Songwriters of All Time list [Sal] Joni in top 10 [Jeff Clark ] Re: Joni in top 10 ["Randy Remote" ] Re: Joni in top 10 [Jeff Clark ] RE: Joni #9 in Rolling Stones Top 100 Songwriters of All Time list ["Susa] Re: Joni #9 in Rolling Stones Top 100 Songwriters of All Time list [Bob] Marcie - Olivia Chaney [Gertus@aol.com] Re: Joni #9 in Rolling Stones Top 100 Songwriters of All Time list [Micha] Re: Joni #9 in Rolling Stones Top 100 Songwriters of All Time list [Cathe] [none] [David Lahm ] Re: Joni #9 in Rolling Stones Top 100 Songwriters of All Time list [Dave ] Re: Joni #9 in Rolling Stones Top 100 Songwriters of All Time list [Anita] Re: Joni #9 in Rolling Stones Top 100 Songwriters of All Time list [Dave ] Re: Joni #9 in Rolling Stones Top 100 Songwriters of All Time list [Bria] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2015 20:35:33 +0000 From: "Susan E. McNamara" Subject: Re: Joni #9 in Rolling Stones Top 100 Songwriters of All Time list I've been thinking about saying this for about 24 hours and I guess I should just say it: Dylan, in my opinion, is the Shakespeare of Rock & Roll. You can hate his voice, you can hate his guitar playing, you can hate him changing every 5 seconds, you can hate his incoherence every other show you go to, but as Joni said, he changed songwriting forever, and also gave her the opening to write songs about how she was really feeling. That's despite the fact that she thinks he's a plagiarist! I don't think anyone can have a neutral opinion about the guy, he's one of a kind, and most of the people on that list would not have had the chance to get on it without him. There, I said it. Sue Tierney McNamara Email: sem8@cornell.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2015 18:30:20 -0700 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: Joni in top 10 Rickie Lee Jones? Subjective, slanted - the whole thing is actually pretty meaningless, if you ask me. Mark in Seattle - -----Original Message----- From: Randy Remote Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 12:26 PM To: Jeff Clark ; JMDL JMDL Subject: Re: Joni in top 10 Madonna is a better songwriter than Kris Kristofferson. Yeah. Where is Fiona Apple? CSN? Janis Ian? (James Taylor is there BTW) RR From: "Jeff Clark" And where the heck is James Taylor. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2015 18:24:04 -0400 From: Sally Subject: Re: Joni #9 in Rolling Stones Top 100 Songwriters of All Time list Bob as always I second your selections to which I might add: Graceland, the White Album, Exile on Main Street, and After the Gold Rush....and you know, there may be more... My favorite Dylan, Blood on the Tracks/favorite Joni, Hejira. Sally Sent from Confunction Junction on my iPhone > On Aug 18, 2015, at 4:52 PM, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: > > I'm just thankful that I'm only tracking JONI covers! For every Joni cover > there's probably 10 Dylan covers at least. Of course he deserves his slot > at #1 as a songwriter in the pop/rock era. > > After Hejira, Blood On The Tracks is my #2 album as a total work of > compositional art. > > Bob > > NP: Mark Ronson, "Leaving Los Feliz" > > > > From: "Susan E. McNamara" > To: "'joni@smoe.org'" , > Date: 08/18/2015 04:40 PM > Subject: Re: Joni #9 in Rolling Stones Top 100 Songwriters of All > Time list > Sent by: owner-joni@smoe.org > > > > I've been thinking about saying this for about 24 hours and I guess I > should > just say it: > > Dylan, in my opinion, is the Shakespeare of Rock & Roll. You can hate his > voice, you can hate his guitar playing, you can hate him changing every 5 > seconds, you can hate his incoherence every other show you go to, but as > Joni > said, he changed songwriting forever, and also gave her the opening to > write > songs about how she was really feeling. That's despite the fact that she > thinks he's a plagiarist! I don't think anyone can have a neutral opinion > about the guy, he's one of a kind, and most of the people on that list > would > not have had the chance to get on it without him. > > There, I said it. > > Sue Tierney McNamara > Email: sem8@cornell.edu > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > The information transmitted is intended only for the person > or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. > If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are > hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, > distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon > this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please > contact the sender and delete the material from any and all > computers and other devices. > > Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual > sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. > ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2015 14:57:44 +0000 (UTC) From: Jeff Clark Subject: Joni in top 10 Its pretty cool that Joni's in the top 10 I think, esp considering its Rolling Stone. I wouldn't have been surprised if she were in the 15-20 section. That they put her above their cherished Springsteen is surprising. The Clouds fup is just daft; must be a summer intern "helping" out. And where the heck is James Taylor. Isn't he at least as good as Neil Diamond?JeffNP Aerosmith, Dream On ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2015 12:26:55 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Joni in top 10 Madonna is a better songwriter than Kris Kristofferson. Yeah. Where is Fiona Apple? CSN? Janis Ian? (James Taylor is there BTW) RR From: "Jeff Clark" And where the heck is James Taylor. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2015 01:38:50 +0000 (UTC) From: Jeff Clark Subject: Re: Joni in top 10 Still, I'm happy Joni was 9 and ahead of U2 and Springsteen (this is RS after all). And sentences like "Joni's restless brilliance was beyond any movement or moment" my help dispel the constant references to Joni as the "60's folksinger" or slightly better, "early 70's Laurel Canyon singer songwriter" B (to anyone who gives a crap). They might have extended her "great run" of 70's lps at least up to Hejira. I'd like to hear this song "Clouds" someday. Maybe it will show up on the box set;JeffNP: some classical On Tuesday, August 18, 2015 9:30 PM, Mark Scott wrote: Rickie Lee Jones? Subjective, slanted - the whole thing is actually pretty meaningless, if you ask me. Mark in Seattle - -----Original Message----- From: Randy Remote Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 12:26 PM To: Jeff Clark ; JMDL JMDL Subject: Re: Joni in top 10 Madonna is a better songwriter than Kris Kristofferson. Yeah. Where is Fiona Apple? CSN? Janis Ian? (James Taylor is there BTW) RR From: "Jeff Clark" And where the heck is James Taylor. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2015 21:19:27 +0000 From: "Susan E. McNamara" Subject: RE: Joni #9 in Rolling Stones Top 100 Songwriters of All Time list Scott, I hate to tell you this, but when I saw Joni during the "Trinity Tour" Bob Dylan was at his best. I've seen him over 20 times and only about 5 times can I say I enjoyed the concert. I put that concert when he was on the bill with Joni and Van as one of the best concerts ever. The band behind him was cooking!! Sue - -----Original Message----- From: Scott Price [mailto:sp@olympus.net] Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 5:10 PM To: Susan E. McNamara ; 'joni@smoe.org' Subject: Re: Joni #9 in Rolling Stones Top 100 Songwriters of All Time list On 8/18/2015 1:35 PM, Susan E. McNamara wrote: > You can hate his voice, you can hate his guitar playing, That's > despite the fact that she thinks he's a plagiarist! There, I > said it. Hi Sue, I agree with every word you wrote. Except to his list of shortcomings I think she also said he had bad breath! :-) I have virtually every Joni album ever recorded but not a single Dylan record. During the 1998 tour, I still re-live the Van Morrison and Joni Mitchell sets, and don't regret leaving the venue as Dylan began playing. He just doesn't do it for me. I grant you his place as the seminal singer-songwriter can't be denied, but man did she (Joni) raise the bar with such style, sophistication, and raw truth and emotion. Scott ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2015 16:52:53 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Joni #9 in Rolling Stones Top 100 Songwriters of All Time list I'm just thankful that I'm only tracking JONI covers! For every Joni cover there's probably 10 Dylan covers at least. Of course he deserves his slot at #1 as a songwriter in the pop/rock era. After Hejira, Blood On The Tracks is my #2 album as a total work of compositional art. Bob NP: Mark Ronson, "Leaving Los Feliz" From: "Susan E. McNamara" To: "'joni@smoe.org'" , Date: 08/18/2015 04:40 PM Subject: Re: Joni #9 in Rolling Stones Top 100 Songwriters of All Time list Sent by: owner-joni@smoe.org I've been thinking about saying this for about 24 hours and I guess I should just say it: Dylan, in my opinion, is the Shakespeare of Rock & Roll. You can hate his voice, you can hate his guitar playing, you can hate him changing every 5 seconds, you can hate his incoherence every other show you go to, but as Joni said, he changed songwriting forever, and also gave her the opening to write songs about how she was really feeling. That's despite the fact that she thinks he's a plagiarist! I don't think anyone can have a neutral opinion about the guy, he's one of a kind, and most of the people on that list would not have had the chance to get on it without him. There, I said it. Sue Tierney McNamara Email: sem8@cornell.edu - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any and all computers and other devices. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2015 12:14:45 -0400 From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: Marcie - Olivia Chaney All, I love Olivia Chaney's singing and you can hear her do a nice live version of Marcie here http://acafe.com/full-show/this-weeks-show-1075/ It's segment 6. Jacky ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2015 18:02:31 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Joni #9 in Rolling Stones Top 100 Songwriters of All Time list Joni STILL crushes him in EVERY category AND she is cute AND she actually can sing! AND....... she brushes her teeth!! He is a great poet. And I love the way other people cover his songs. LMAO There I said it. On Aug 18, 2015, at 3:35 PM, Susan E. McNamara wrote: I've been thinking about saying this for about 24 hours and I guess I should just say it: Dylan, in my opinion, is the Shakespeare of Rock & Roll. You can hate his voice, you can hate his guitar playing, you can hate him changing every 5 seconds, you can hate his incoherence every other show you go to, but as Joni said, he changed songwriting forever, and also gave her the opening to write songs about how she was really feeling. That's despite the fact that she thinks he's a plagiarist! I don't think anyone can have a neutral opinion about the guy, he's one of a kind, and most of the people on that list would not have had the chance to get on it without him. There, I said it. Sue Tierney McNamara Email: sem8@cornell.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2015 18:32:31 -0400 From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni #9 in Rolling Stones Top 100 Songwriters of All Time list That one confuses the hell out of me too. Groundbreaker? yes. Influence on a whole bunch of rockers? Yes. But songwriter? naaah, I think not. Cuz "my Dingaling" has such great lyrics! > On Aug 17, 2015, at 6:07 PM, Dave Blackburn wrote: > > And has #4 always been Chuck Berry? > > > > >> On Aug 17, 2015, at 2:48 PM, Corey Blake wrote: >> >> These lists are made to quibble or protest over the order. I'm less concerned with the relative ranking. That she's rightfully in the top 10 makes me happy. Rock royalty is pretty entrenched. The top 3 are always going to be Dylan and The Beatles. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2015 17:37:41 -0400 From: David Lahm Subject: [none] That list is........(there are no words) DAVID LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2015 14:14:55 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: Joni #9 in Rolling Stones Top 100 Songwriters of All Time list Really? Really? Dylan? Does he convey his talent on a special wavelength that my receiver doesnbt have or something? And Chuck Berry, ahead of Joni Mitchell? What planet is this, again? > On Aug 17, 2015, at 1:55 PM, Susan E. McNamara wrote: > > http://www.rollingstone.com/music/lists/100-greatest-songwriters > > Guess who is #1! > > Sue Tierney McNamara > Email: sem8@cornell.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2015 22:51:24 +0100 From: Anita Subject: Re: Joni #9 in Rolling Stones Top 100 Songwriters of All Time list On 17 Aug 2015, at 22:14, Dave Blackburn wrote: > > Really? Really? Dylan? Does he convey his talent on a special wavelength that my receiver doesnbt have or something? No, Dave. You just have ears for what's in tune, so that's your handicap here, Anita ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2015 15:07:33 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: Joni #9 in Rolling Stones Top 100 Songwriters of All Time list And has #4 always been Chuck Berry? > On Aug 17, 2015, at 2:48 PM, Corey Blake wrote: > > These lists are made to quibble or protest over the order. I'm less concerned with the relative ranking. That she's rightfully in the top 10 makes me happy. Rock royalty is pretty entrenched. The top 3 are always going to be Dylan and The Beatles. > > > >> On Aug 17, 2015, at 2:24 PM, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: >> >> I'm OK with that list. It is goofy that they mention "Both Sides Now" and >> "Clouds" as if they are two different songs. D'oh! >> But all in all, great praise and they rightfully call her 1970-1974 run as >> one of the strongest ever which is true. >> >> Bob >> >> NP: Wolf Alice, "Giant Peach" >> >> >> >> From: "Susan E. McNamara" >> To: "'joni@smoe.org'" , >> Date: 08/17/2015 05:04 PM >> Subject: Joni #9 in Rolling Stones Top 100 Songwriters of All Time >> list >> Sent by: owner-joni@smoe.org >> >> >> >> http://www.rollingstone.com/music/lists/100-greatest-songwriters >> >> Guess who is #1! >> >> Sue Tierney McNamara >> Email: sem8@cornell.edu >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------ >> The information transmitted is intended only for the person >> or entity to which it is addressed and may contain >> proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. >> If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are >> hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, >> distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon >> this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please >> contact the sender and delete the material from any and all >> computers and other devices. >> >> Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual >> sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. >> ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2015 16:09:26 -0700 From: Brian Gross Subject: Re: Joni #9 in Rolling Stones Top 100 Songwriters of All Time list Disappointed not to see Laura Nyro, Sandy Denny or Karla Bonoff on the list. But what should I have expected from the rag that is RS? Brian - ----------------------------------------------------------- Politicians and diapers both need to be changed often. And usually for the same reasons. - ----------------------------------------------------------- - -------------------------------------------- On Mon, 8/17/15, Victor wrote: Subject: Re: Joni #9 in Rolling Stones Top 100 Songwriters of All Time list To: "Dave Blackburn" Cc: "Corey Blake" , "Bob.Muller@Fluor.com" , "Sue McNamara" , "JMDL JMDL" Date: Monday, August 17, 2015, 6:54 PM Lol...I think CSN got snubbed too...and Pink Floyd! But they have Kanye West in there. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 17, 2015, at 3:34 PM, Dave Blackburn wrote: > > No Victor, but Lou Reed is in there, that pioneer of melody, harmony and original form. But at least Stevie Wonder is ahead of him! > > >> On Aug 17, 2015, at 3:28 PM, Victor wrote: >> >> Where are any of the great prog rock bands: Rush, Yes, Jethro Tull, Genesis??? Did Peter Gabriel make the list? >> >> No mention of Black Sabbath or Iron Maiden. And Tom Waits is way too low down. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Aug 17, 2015, at 3:07 PM, Dave Blackburn wrote: >>> >>> And has #4 always been Chuck Berry? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Aug 17, 2015, at 2:48 PM, Corey Blake wrote: >>>> >>>> These lists are made to quibble or protest over the order. I'm less concerned with the relative ranking. That she's rightfully in the top 10 makes me happy. Rock royalty is pretty entrenched. The top 3 are always going to be Dylan and The Beatles. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Aug 17, 2015, at 2:24 PM, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I'm OK with that list. It is goofy that they mention "Both Sides Now" and >>>>> "Clouds" as if they are two different songs. D'oh! >>>>> But all in all, great praise and they rightfully call her 1970-1974 run as >>>>> one of the strongest ever which is true. >>>>> >>>>> Bob >>>>> >>>>> NP: Wolf Alice, "Giant Peach" >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> From: "Susan E. McNamara" >>>>> To: "'joni@smoe.org'" , >>>>> Date: 08/17/2015 05:04 PM >>>>> Subject: Joni #9 in Rolling Stones Top 100 Songwriters of All Time >>>>> list >>>>> Sent by: owner-joni@smoe.org >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://www.rollingstone.com/music/lists/100-greatest-songwriters >>>>> >>>>> Guess who is #1! >>>>> >>>>> Sue Tierney McNamara >>>>> Email: sem8@cornell.edu ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #759 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here:mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe