From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #743 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Website:http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe:mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Tuesday, August 4 2015 Volume 2014 : Number 743 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: Judy Loves Joni ["Susan E. McNamara" ] Judy Loves Joni [Scott Price ] RE: TodaysZaman.com: Why Do Pop Singers Keep Releasing Jazz Albums? ["Sus] Re: TodaysZaman.com: Why Do Pop Singers Keep Releasing Jazz Albums? ["Mar] Re: JMDL Digest V2015 #384 ["Pete Christensen" ] Re: Judy Loves Joni [Deb Messling ] TodaysZaman.com: Why Do Pop Singers Keep Releasing Jazz Albums? ["Susan E] Re: JMDL Digest V2015 #384 ["Mark Scott" ] RE: onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #739 ["Barthel, Donald R" Subject: RE: Judy Loves Joni I'm going to see Judy Collins on Friday in MD with some friends. I'm sure she'll be great!! - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Scott Price Sent: Monday, August 03, 2015 12:04 AM To: Joni List Subject: Judy Loves Joni I'm a long long way from Hillsdale NY, site of today's wrap up to the three-day Falcon Ridge Folk Festival, but thanks to the www and Facebook I was able to catch 76-year-old Judy Collins performing on the main stage. As she began playing the opening bars to "Both Sides Now" she gave the following intro: "I was dead to the world, it was 3 in the morning, and it was my friend Al Kooper...and I'm so grateful to this day that it was my phone number instead of Buffy's or Joan Baez's, because he called me and put this woman on the phone and she sang me this song. God bless Joni Mitchell." Scott ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 21:03:32 -0700 From: Scott Price Subject: Judy Loves Joni I'm a long long way from Hillsdale NY, site of today's wrap up to the three-day Falcon Ridge Folk Festival, but thanks to the www and Facebook I was able to catch 76-year-old Judy Collins performing on the main stage. As she began playing the opening bars to "Both Sides Now" she gave the following intro: "I was dead to the world, it was 3 in the morning, and it was my friend Al Kooper...and I'm so grateful to this day that it was my phone number instead of Buffy's or Joan Baez's, because he called me and put this woman on the phone and she sang me this song. God bless Joni Mitchell." Scott ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2015 14:49:51 +0000 From: "Susan E. McNamara" Subject: RE: TodaysZaman.com: Why Do Pop Singers Keep Releasing Jazz Albums? I had a revelation about Sweet Sucker Dance when it appeared on LHMF. What a performance. From: Bob.Muller@fluor.com [mailto:Bob.Muller@fluor.com] Sent: Monday, August 03, 2015 10:48 AM To: Susan E. McNamara Cc: 'joni@smoe.org' Subject: Re: TodaysZaman.com: Why Do Pop Singers Keep Releasing Jazz Albums? An interesting topic...the writer makes more of a case about the nosedive in Joni's popularity versus her actual performance on Mingus. Of course you could easily argue that Joni's jazz voice started way beyond that. Joni herself admits that she knew Mingus would be a career killer. I still claim that the album contains some her purest singing, "Sweet Sucker Dance" in particular. Bob NP: Brian Eno & David Byrne, "One Fine Day". From: "Susan E. McNamara" > To: "'joni@smoe.org'" >, Date: 08/03/2015 10:28 AM Subject: TodaysZaman.com: Why Do Pop Singers Keep Releasing Jazz Albums? Sent by: owner-joni@smoe.org ________________________________ Passable? Discuss ... http://secure-web.cisco.com/14GR398N-gz-XDCIfYzzQXZeTsO2LpIxzWFt2t5ND8lNhFrCO GIxKSUtWRyteMvEgIfsHFkFy1Ct2PGsJTSku_r2vXq8oRJNax6rPkrmakEBxKlIvzkQ8FqHhlkKGu MdiXNfyr4XFmcswjuyy35b0fGAT1GmGfpkrcB0Cweh_QC0/http%3A%2F%2Ftinyurl.com%2Fonl 6loa Sue Tierney McNamara Email: sem8@cornell.edu - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any and all computers and other devices. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2015 21:16:19 -0700 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: TodaysZaman.com: Why Do Pop Singers Keep Releasing Jazz Albums? Interesting that the writer didn't mention the 'Both Sides Now' CD which, to my mind anyway, is more along the lines of what she was writing about. To me, 'Mingus' was Joni picking up the gauntlet that Mingus threw down, accepting the challenge, not about doing a Jazz album as a novelty item to revive a career. As the writer mentioned, Joni was pretty much riding the crest of her popularity at the time. The fact that she paid for it in terms of a loss of some of her radio airplay and fan base is not a really valid comment on the quality of the work. Another thing that puzzles me is the reference to Annie Lennox decoupling 'bStrange Fruitb from its origins as a protest song about lynching.' I went and found that Tavis Smiley program and I don't see how she did that. She did call it a protest song but she also elaborated on how the subject of the song is exemplary of a flaw in human nature that has caused tremendous cruelty and suffering throughout recorded time. Personally, I love 'Nostalgia' and I wouldn't call it a jazz album per se. Annie puts her own stamp on each one of those songs and there aren't many singers that I would say are able to perform songs that were signature songs of Billie Holiday's who are able to pull them off as beautifully as Annie does. 'Nostalgia' is a mixture - some jazz, some pop, some blues, some R&B. I love her take on Ellington's 'Mood Indigo'. I wonder what Joni would think of that one? The writer mentions Linda Ronstadt's recordings with the Nelson Riddle orchestra. Would you call Nelson Riddle a jazz artist? I think of his work more as very sophisticated pop than Jazz and I think of Linda's vocals on those records in the same way. Mark in Seattle - -----Original Message----- From: Susan E. McNamara Sent: Monday, August 3, 2015 7:24 AM To: 'joni@smoe.org' Subject: TodaysZaman.com: Why Do Pop Singers Keep Releasing Jazz Albums? Passable? Discuss ... http://tinyurl.com/onl6loa Sue Tierney McNamara Email: sem8@cornell.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2015 05:01:36 -0400 From: "Pete Christensen" Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2015 #384 "So the song tally so far that I can see is: Sweet Bird Facelift Song to Aging Children Circle Game" I nominate Nothing Can Be Done. Here again, I read somewhere that Joni said her friends disliked it. But it has a lot of stuff going on in it. The sexy dance beat and the lines ...must I forgive you each time, and say you donbt know what you're doing... She addresses it to a partner but it touches on that day in age when you stand your ground and say, well, maybe I do have to go on forgiving, but I do not have to keep picking up the baggage of delusion. I am not old so I am told, but I was not born yesterday, so do not even start that crap with me. My heart is a smoking gun just now. It is an excellent song for certain days. - -----Original Message----- From: JMDL Digest Sent: Monday, August 03, 2015 3:00 AM To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2015 #384 JMDL Digest Monday, August 3 2015 Volume 2015 : Number 384 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: - -------- Re: JMDL Digest V2015 #383 [Steve Danielson ] - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2015 05:34:18 +0000 (UTC) From: Steve Danielson Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2015 #383 Good list, especially "Circle Game", what a great song! Here's a great quote for this subject: bGetting old is not for sissies.b - -Bette Davis - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2015 07:02:56 -0500 From: lcs4bike@yahoo.com Subject: Aging songs Hi Old Friends, I was puzzled by 45 seeming old. I got 11 on that and it sounds so young!! But wait...isn't 60 the new 30?! So the song tally so far that I can see is: Sweet Bird Facelift Song to Aging Children Circle Game How about adding Chinese Cafe to the list?B The lines, "we look like our mother's did back when we were those kids age... nothing lasts for long" have always struck me to the core. Joni is so introspective and extrospective at the same time.B (Okay so I made up a word) I was listening to and singing Sweet Bird in my living room last night after all this talk about it, and my sweet Parrotlette birdy started singing!!!B I think she heard the word "bird" and recognized it because even though her name is Little Green, I call her birdy every day when I talk with her.B I said to my husband, "listen she's singing the song!!"B He didn't buy it, but he doesn't know her as well as I do. ;)))) At least he gets Joni and gets me getting Joni! I love the song Sweet Bird! A very young Kevin from New Jersey turned me on to the album THOSL and told me I'd love Sweet Bird and he was right!!!B Hey Kevin...you out there lurking?B Hellllloooooo? I miss you bud!B Woo pigs souie!!!B Wish you'd come to the SC Jonifest!! I can hardly wait!! Love, Laura Sent from my iPhone - ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2015 #384 ***************************** - ------- To post messages to the list,sendto joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe - ------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2015 20:10:41 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: Judy Loves Joni I was there. It was a very short set. Both Sides Now was the second song. She also sang Chelsea Morning. I was a little surprised that she didn't send out a get-well message, but I still appreciated the mention. In the post-festival survey, I begged Falcon Ridge to have a Joni tribute next year. The festival calls itself "folk," but is really all about singer-songwriters, and in the 10 years I've attended, Joni has never been acknowledged. On Monday, August 3, 2015, Scott Price wrote: > I'm a long long way from Hillsdale NY, site of today's wrap up to the > three-day Falcon Ridge Folk Festival, but thanks to the www and Facebook I > was able to catch 76-year-old Judy Collins performing on the main stage. As > she began playing the opening bars to "Both Sides Now" she gave the > following intro: "I was dead to the world, it was 3 in the morning, and it > was my friend Al Kooper...and I'm so grateful to this day that it was my > phone number instead of Buffy's or Joan Baez's, because he called me and > put this woman on the phone and she sang me this song. God bless Joni > Mitchell." > > > > Scott > - -- Deb Messling dlmessling@gmail.com http://bookbook.typepad.com/blog/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2015 14:24:11 +0000 From: "Susan E. McNamara" Subject: TodaysZaman.com: Why Do Pop Singers Keep Releasing Jazz Albums? Passable? Discuss ... http://tinyurl.com/onl6loa Sue Tierney McNamara Email: sem8@cornell.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2015 21:31:17 -0700 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2015 #384 How about 'Come in From the Cold'? 'Are you just checking out your mojo? Am I just fighting off growing old?' A lot in that song about youth being behind her and the thoughts and feelings that stage of life begets. Mark in Seattle - -----Original Message----- From: Pete Christensen Sent: Monday, August 3, 2015 2:01 AM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2015 #384 "So the song tally so far that I can see is: Sweet Bird Facelift Song to Aging Children Circle Game" I nominate Nothing Can Be Done. Here again, I read somewhere that Joni said her friends disliked it. But it has a lot of stuff going on in it. The sexy dance beat and the lines ...must I forgive you each time, and say you donbt know what you're doing... She addresses it to a partner but it touches on that day in age when you stand your ground and say, well, maybe I do have to go on forgiving, but I do not have to keep picking up the baggage of delusion. I am not old so I am told, but I was not born yesterday, so do not even start that crap with me. My heart is a smoking gun just now. It is an excellent song for certain days. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2015 13:53:13 +0000 From: "Barthel, Donald R" Subject: RE: onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #739 I agree with you totally, Dave! Especially brought home to me with the recent death of my Mother.... ah well, indeed! (Now I can't get "Sweet Bird" out of my head!) Donald R. Barthel Product/Data Management Technician CFD RFS Tech Support Kodak Park, 2nd Floor, Room C219, Building 30 MC: 24804 585-477-7110, Pager 97-58089 Email Pager 5859758089@airmessage.net Donald.Barthel@Kodak.com www.Kodak.com - -----Original Message----- From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org] Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2015 3:00 AM To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #739 onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, August 1 2015 Volume 2014 : Number 739 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: - -------- Re: Sweet Bird and Aging and whatever else ["David J. Phillips" ] - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2015 13:30:40 -0400 From: "David J. Phillips" Subject: Re: Sweet Bird and Aging and whatever else The line that keeps coming to me is "all these vain promises on beauty jars." I'm sixty now, and youth, just plain old youth, has never been so attractive to me. It takes my breath away to see a man in his twenties, or thirties. And I look at myself here - unguents and personal trainers and facials. (There's a New Yorker cartoon of three gay men of a certain age. One is saying "It's not the senior moments that get to me, It's the Death in Venice moments.") And honestly, my life at sixty is about the best it has ever been. But on bad days I look at calendars circled with compromise, or missed opportunities, or just plain erroneous (though well-considered) decisions. Ah well. I smile at the sweet bird, up on its feathers laughing. djp On 31/07/15 11:3705, Susan E. McNamara wrote: > I hear you Rob. I have 12 years on you, and it's really been hitting > home. Yesterday I had to buy two pairs of eye glasses to cover four > levels of seeing - reading/computer and reading/driving ... not only > did I wake up vanishing but my retirement nest egg is vanishing too > ... ch-ching. Plus someone is going to reach planet earth in the next > calendar year who will eventually start calling me the G-word. > Actually, can't wait for that one!!! > > -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org > [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Rob Procyk Sent: Friday, > July 31, 2015 3:32 AM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Sweet Bird and Aging > and whatever else > > I'm reading posts completely out of order due to my wonky email and > our temperamental Smoe, so I am sorry if this is part of a "me too" > chorus. My dear friend Mark, "Sweet Bird" has become so special to me > the past few years. Indeed, it may almost be my fave Joni song now, > just for the line you mentioned. Lately, the dragging my feet to slow > the circles down thing is so very real. I mean, I've always felt the > sadness of aging as the years have gone by, but right now, it's all > too real. When I think back to how quickly the past 25 years have > gone, I'm rattled. I've always looked young and acted younger. Now I'm > 45, and while I may not look it, I finally feel it. My standing joke > has been "I can't be in my 40s - I still eat candy and watch Scooby > Doo reruns!" But it's true - I'm not 6 anymore. I've been married 17 > years, I've been orphaned by both parents during the last > 7 years, I've had 4 kids and have become the father to teenagers, > I've fallen into a complex job... My ma! ntras are a mixture of the > Talking Heads "Once in a Lifetime"and FM's "Landslide" and "Sweet > Bird" and "Nothing Can Be Done." I'm not really liking this stage - I > know it's just holding pattern until the next age shift brings about a > whole new set of intricate issues. However, all that being said, I > choose to cling to the idea that happiness is the best facelift. So > while I come to terms with the fact that it will never be 1979 again > and I'll never be listening to Boz Scaggs' "We're All Alone" through > big-ass headphones in our rumpus room, I'm still comforted that I'm > not the only one who has realized that they have woke up vanishing. > And, sometimes, we all have to get out of our heads, so I'm sending > awesome vibes for all y'all who get to go to SC Jonifest. TGIF, Rob > > Sent from my iPhone - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2015 22:52:51 -0400 From: Jimmy Stewart Subject: Re: Sweet Bird and Aging and whatever else The sweet bird of youth has been great to me mentally. I've never been happier with the good changes that have happened with civil rights this year, but that crow has been testing me this year physically. Most of it has been minor. February, I tore a bicep muscle ... Weeks of therapy helped that out. A piece of glass lodged in my finger required surgery in March fixed that ($ 14,000) for 1 hour. Met my $2000 deductible. Two root canals in April, which we all experience, but my first. Flying colors with my physical in April :-). May, I started experiencing upper abdominal pains. My doctor thought it might be due to stress at work, and all the Motrin I was taking. The pain didn't go away. Went to a G.I doctor. I've had 3 blood tests, an ultra sound, a cat scan, an upper endoscopy, and yesterday an MRI. I had my gall bladder and appendix removed back in 2002. Every test has come back normal. Hoping it was a lodged gall stone that could be removed. No such luck. They don't know what it is. The pancreas and liver are fine and no cancer. I see the GI doctor next week, after the dentist for a crown, and the ear doctor , ,,,, too aging children come PS. Sorry Steve birthday Dulson sweet man. I know you hate when we post an entire digest, but my computer is down. Xo Jimmy ....gesendet von meinem iPhone > On Jul 31, 2015, at 2:07 PM, "Susan E. McNamara" wrote: > > That's great David ... I too feel the happiest and most liberated in my life at this age. I just do what I want when I want to (to a certain extent!) ... but there's the duality again ... particles of change, I know, I know! > > -----Original Message----- > From: David J. Phillips [mailto:djp@davidjphillips.org] > Sent: Friday, July 31, 2015 1:31 PM > To: Susan E. McNamara > Cc: Rob Procyk ; joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: Sweet Bird and Aging and whatever else > > The line that keeps coming to me is "all these vain promises on beauty > jars." I'm sixty now, and youth, just plain old youth, has never been > so attractive to me. It takes my breath away to see a man in his > twenties, or thirties. And I look at myself here - unguents and > personal trainers and facials. (There's a New Yorker cartoon of three > gay men of a certain age. One is saying "It's not the senior moments > that get to me, It's the Death in Venice moments.") > > And honestly, my life at sixty is about the best it has ever been. But on bad days I look at calendars circled with compromise, or missed opportunities, or just plain erroneous (though well-considered) decisions. > > Ah well. I smile at the sweet bird, up on its feathers laughing. > > djp > >> On 31/07/15 11:3705, Susan E. McNamara wrote: >> I hear you Rob. I have 12 years on you, and it's really been hitting >> home. Yesterday I had to buy two pairs of eye glasses to cover four >> levels of seeing - reading/computer and reading/driving ... not only >> did I wake up vanishing but my retirement nest egg is vanishing too >> ... ch-ching. Plus someone is going to reach planet earth in the >> next calendar year who will eventually start calling me the G-word. >> Actually, can't wait for that one!!! >> >> -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org >> [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Rob Procyk Sent: Friday, >> July 31, 2015 3:32 AM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Sweet Bird and Aging >> and whatever else >> >> I'm reading posts completely out of order due to my wonky email and >> our temperamental Smoe, so I am sorry if this is part of a "me too" >> chorus. My dear friend Mark, "Sweet Bird" has become so special to me >> the past few years. Indeed, it may almost be my fave Joni song now, >> just for the line you mentioned. Lately, the dragging my feet to slow >> the circles down thing is so very real. I mean, I've always felt the >> sadness of aging as the years have gone by, but right now, it's all >> too real. When I think back to how quickly the past 25 years have >> gone, I'm rattled. I've always looked young and acted younger. Now >> I'm 45, and while I may not look it, I finally feel it. My standing >> joke has been "I can't be in my 40s - I still eat candy and watch >> Scooby Doo reruns!" But it's true - I'm not 6 anymore. I've been >> married 17 years, I've been orphaned by both parents during the last >> 7 years, I've had 4 kids and have become the father to teenagers, >> I've fallen into a complex job... My ma! ntras are a mixture of the >> Talking Heads "Once in a Lifetime"and FM's "Landslide" and "Sweet >> Bird" and "Nothing Can Be Done." I'm not really liking this stage - I >> know it's just holding pattern until the next age shift brings about >> a whole new set of intricate issues. However, all that being said, I >> choose to cling to the idea that happiness is the best facelift. So >> while I come to terms with the fact that it will never be 1979 again >> and I'll never be listening to Boz Scaggs' "We're All Alone" through >> big-ass headphones in our rumpus room, I'm still comforted that I'm >> not the only one who has realized that they have woke up vanishing. >> And, sometimes, we all have to get out of our heads, so I'm sending >> awesome vibes for all y'all who get to go to SC Jonifest. TGIF, Rob >> >> Sent from my iPhone - ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #739 ********************************* - ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here:mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #743 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here:mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe