From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #731 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Website:http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe:mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Thursday, July 23 2015 Volume 2014 : Number 731 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni heaven [lawntreader@googlemail.com] Re: Free Hotel Room in Paris [Jeff Clark ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #730 [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: Joni heaven ["Mark Scott" ] Re: Joni heaven [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2015 #336 ["Pete Christensen" ] Fwd: Lord on Death Row [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2015 #348 [] WSJ article on "Free Man in Paris" [ava rosenblum ] Re: Joni heaven [Jamie Zubairi home ] Re: JMDL Digest V2015 #349 [] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2015 15:16:51 +0100 From: lawntreader@googlemail.com Subject: Re: Joni heaven Mark wrote: "Reminiscences about past gatherings among the more long term members are fine but might make some feel left out who were either unable to attend those past Jonifests or who weren't part of the list when they happened. I'm not saying anyone should feel they shouldn't share those memories but when new people come on board and want to discuss Joni's music, they should have a forum to do that like we all did when the list began." Mark, you are so right. I am particularly guilty of waxing lyrically about the past, but I would so hate it if people felt excluded or unable to share because of that. So bring it all on! I go on and on about those things because I felt so isolated for so long with my love for Joni's music and then found JMDL and Joni Fests....oh, here I go again. I have to tell you that I had the good fortune to meet Malka's husband, Marv, when they were over here. I started to tell him about Joni Fest 2003 and he patiently and kindly put his hand on my arm,looked me straight in the eye and said, "My dear, do you have an off switch?" Anita x ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2015 00:48:13 +0000 (UTC) From: Jeff Clark Subject: Re: Free Hotel Room in Paris Betsy wrote:<> That was called "Inventing David Geffen". I picked it up at the library not long ago. It did have very clever animation, with lots of Joni, probably more of Laura, and everyone else. Fun to watch. His favorite song was Buffalo Springfields "When the Dream Came" which opens and closes the movie.RR talks in depth about the Paris trip in the bonus features.Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2015 03:44:09 -0400 From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #730 I maintain, and have read elsewhere, that the "Lord on Death Row" is a reference to Charles Manson getting the death penalty in LA for orchestrating the Tate-LaBianca murders. To his followers, Manson was god. The timing fits and, before the murders, Manson was popular among the counterculture folks that Joni hung out with. Paul I In a message dated 7/23/2015 3:12:27 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org writes: Catherine wrote (and others followed): "It has to do with the "Is God dead?" question that was being discussed around the time. I remember a Time magazine cover, for some weird reason, that turns out to have been printed in 1966. The album came out in 1973. Joni wonders whether God is dead. He is, at the very least, on death row, so his time may be up. But Joni is also a fan of Nietzsche, who said that God was dead. (Can one be a *fan* of Nietzsche? Well, y'know...)" I understand the "God is dead" and Nietzsche references. B But my reaction upon hearing the line "and the Lord on death row" is always, "Well, what did he do?" B There seems to be the suggestion of a crime, and a heinous one at that. Would Nietzsche, and maybe Joni, say that God is not only nearly dead but indeed sentenced to death because he committed many crimes. . .or at least, that many crimes were committed in the name our conception of God? B Or perhaps "God's" only crime was not keeping up with modernity? Mary P., Still waiting for that symposium presentation, or maybe book, on "Religion and the Spirituality of Joni Mitchell"! B ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2015 05:52:18 -0700 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: Joni heaven I look forward to reading it as well. And why should anybody who is coming to the list as a new member or one returning after a long absence feel constrained to discuss something just because it may or may not have been discussed before? Maybe some of us should either sit back and let the new people have their say and engage with one another or contribute our thoughts anyway even if we have expressed them before instead of saying 'oh we hashed that one out several years ago' and/or referring them to the archives. It seems to me that it would keep the list more vital and fresh if new people were encouraged to contribute more or some of us oldies engaged in some discussion with them. Reminiscences about past gatherings among the more long term members are fine but might make some feel left out who were either unable to attend those past Jonifests or who weren't part of the list when they happened. I'm not saying anyone should feel they shouldn't share those memories but when new people come on board and want to discuss Joni's music, they should have a forum to do that like we all did when the list began. Just saying. Mark in Seattle. - -----Original Message----- From: Jamie Zubairi home Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2015 9:22 AM To: mep@chorus.net Cc: Anita Gabrielle ; joni List Subject: Re: Joni heaven I for one, would love to read that Mary! Jamie Zubairi Actor, Voiceover, Painter, Photographer. Agent: Byron's Management 020 72428096 SpotLight Showreel Unbroken Line Recent work *Gopala - *A dance performance at LSO 20th March 2015 LSO St Luke's, Old Street *Adding The Blue*, as the artist in Chrissie Hynd's music video *Cucumber* for Channel 4, by Russell T Davies Jan 2015 *Expectations* Ovalhouse supported by public funding from the Arts Council of England *Tino Sehgal Unilever Commission "These Associations"* Tate Modern (Turner Prize Nominated) *Unbroken Line*' OvalHouse, supported by public funding from the Arts Council of England. Awards: Ovalhouse Associate Artist 2014 Arts Admin Associate Artist 2010 On 22 July 2015 at 15:41, mep@chorus.net wrote: > I wrote, and Anita responded: > > "> Mary P., > > Still waiting for that symposium presentation, or maybe book, on > "Religion and the Spirituality of Joni Mitchell"! B > > Reckon I know someone who could do that? How about it, Mary? :-))" > > Anita, like the good therapist that she is, turned this one right back on > me! "Be the change you want to see in the world," and all that. > > And I must say, I feel woefully inadequate for the task: much more so > than I would have 20 years ago, when I was much more certain about many > things. But maybe that means I could actually do it! > > Starting small, I do have an alternate interpretation of that line. I > will try to post it in the next day or so, and apologize in advance if > what > I say has already been beaten into the ground during my ten-year foray to > the convenience store to get milk. > > Mary P. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2015 10:50:16 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Joni heaven Well said, Mark - like you always do. That's why I said what I said about Free Man in Paris yesterday. You just never know who is out there and may not have been privy to the many discussions that have been had over all these years. I try to be respectful of that and welcoming to everyone as most of us do. Sometimes I have to resist the temptation to jump in and give other folks a chance. By the same token, the community does have history, whether it's long-running discussions, in-jokes, Jonifest remembrances etc. I would hope that someone new to the group wouldn't be put off by that but rather would be impressed by the family-like community we have and that it's not just a message board made up of random strangers. Bob NP: My Morning Jacket, "Off The Record" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any and all computers and other devices. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 09:16:31 -0400 From: "Pete Christensen" Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2015 #336 (Can one be a *fan* of Nietzsche? Well, y'know...) - from Catherine. I think fan sounds right. I read that Joni named her cat Nietzsche. This would be in contrast to disciple. In the Malka Marom book, Joni said that there is no heart with Nietzsche. It was a big smile for me in finding out that she had moved around a lot with Carl Jung, also. In the song where god is on death row, she said: Still I send out my prayer. This fact is not denied, and I think this is what makes her work so powerful. She would blow the damn candle out. She would go ahead and look around in the dark. Still, she included at least reflections of that which would not be denied. Like when she could not help poor Betsy out. The light was just so hard to find. Still, there was a window, it would not be denied. There was some moonlight in the window, even if it was just reflected light coming across the darkness like an empty spotlight, sometimes. This is why her composition around Love/Corinthians blew me away. This light is real, too. She followed up with Love Has Many Faces. In Corinthians, though, ancient/modern/future all on gorgeous wings, she sings it. The light that some of us find only in the utter darkness. Man, does she sing it. Pete C. - -----Original Message----- From: JMDL Digest Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 3:00 AM To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2015 #336 JMDL Digest Tuesday, July 21 2015 Volume 2015 : Number 336 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: - -------- Re: Joni Heaven [Catherine McKay ] Joni Heaven [Jeff Clark ] Re: Joni Heaven [Dave Blackburn ] RE: Joni Heaven ["Susan E. McNamara" ] Re: Paz's backyard jam [Victor Johnson ] Re: Graham and Joni [Victor ] Lord on Death Row [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: Paz's backyard jam [Michael Paz ] Re: Graham and Joni [Kathy Johnson ] Re: JMDL Digest ~ Amy Winehouse [Kenney C Kennedy ] Re: Graham and Joni [Corey Blake ] Re: Joni Heaven [lawntreader@googlemail.com] - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2015 14:27:37 +0000 (UTC) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni Heaven It has to do with the "Is God dead?" question that was being discussed around the time. I remember a Time magazine cover, for some weird reason, that turns out to have been printed in 1966. The album came out in 1973. Joni wonders whether God is dead. He is, at the very least, on death row, so his time may be up. But Joni is also a fan of Nietzsche, who said that God was dead. (Can one be a *fan* of Nietzsche? Well, y'know...) This page conveniently has both the Time mag cover and the Nietzsche blurb: http://www.age-of-the-sage.org/philosophy/friedrich_nietzsche_quotes.html To post messages to the list,sendto joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe - ------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 07:56:47 -0400 From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Fwd: Lord on Death Row Jeff, Joni wrote People's Parties/Same Situation around the time that Charles Manson was sentenced to death in LA for orchestrating the Tate-LaBianca murders. To the followers of Manson's cult, he was god. Thus, the Lord on Death Row. Paul In a message dated 7/20/2015 11:02:38 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org writes: Well, is it full of astronauts? Is the Lord on death row? Thinking about it, I never understood what those lines meant. Why is the Lord on death row? JeffNP: CSN, Southern Cross ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 19:50:45 -0700 From: Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2015 #348 Didn't Free Man in Paris have to do with skipping out on a hotel bill in Paris? - ---- JMDL Digest wrote: > > JMDL Digest Tuesday, July 21 2015 Volume 2015 : Number 348 > > > > ========== > > TOPICS and authors in this Digest: > -------- > Re: WSJ: Candace Bushnell on Joni Mitchell's "Free Man In Paris" [Michael] > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 18:25:30 -0500 > From: Michael Paz > Subject: Re: WSJ: Candace Bushnell on Joni Mitchell's "Free Man In Paris" > > wOw!!! Who knew?? > > > > On Jul 21, 2015, at 4:51 PM, Steve Dulson wrote: > > Sue sent: > > > http://www.wsj.com/articles/candace-bushnell-on-joni-mitchells-free-man-in-pa > > ris-1437485613 > > The first comment on the article included this: > > "The dichotomy for Joni's life was in her struggle to exist as a feminist lesbian in a man's world. She saw how living with sociatal imposed horizontal stressors, caused her to use Paris as a this utopian model." > > Hmmmmm....... > > *************************************************** > Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA tinkersown@ca.rr.com > > ------------------------------ > > End of JMDL Digest V2015 #348 > ***************************** > > ------- > To post messages to the list,sendto joni@smoe.org > Unsubscribe by clicking here: > mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe > ------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2015 00:28:25 -0500 From: ava rosenblum Subject: WSJ article on "Free Man in Paris" yah. I caught that after I re-read it! On Jul 22, 2015, at 12:25 AM, mep@chorus.net wrote: > > Ava Rosenbloom wrote: > > "Here is a link to the Bushnell article. It doesn't say what previous > post says it said. > > http://www.wsj.com/articles/candace-bushnell-on-joni-mitchells-free- > man-in-paris-1437485613" > > Ava, I wasn't able to get the link to work. I did eventually find > the article. > > But previous posts didn't say the *article* claimed that Joni was a > lesbian feminist (etc.). That was what the first *commenter* said. > > Mary P. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2015 17:22:24 +0100 From: Jamie Zubairi home Subject: Re: Joni heaven I for one, would love to read that Mary! Jamie Zubairi Actor, Voiceover, Painter, Photographer. Agent: Byron's Management 020 72428096 SpotLight Showreel Unbroken Line Recent work *Gopala - *A dance performance at LSO 20th March 2015 LSO St Luke's, Old Street *Adding The Blue*, as the artist in Chrissie Hynd's music video *Cucumber* for Channel 4, by Russell T Davies Jan 2015 *Expectations* Ovalhouse supported by public funding from the Arts Council of England *Tino Sehgal Unilever Commission "These Associations"* Tate Modern (Turner Prize Nominated) *Unbroken Line*' OvalHouse, supported by public funding from the Arts Council of England. Awards: Ovalhouse Associate Artist 2014 Arts Admin Associate Artist 2010 On 22 July 2015 at 15:41, mep@chorus.net wrote: > I wrote, and Anita responded: > > "> Mary P., > > Still waiting for that symposium presentation, or maybe book, on > "Religion and the Spirituality of Joni Mitchell"! B > > Reckon I know someone who could do that? How about it, Mary? :-))" > > Anita, like the good therapist that she is, turned this one right back on > me! "Be the change you want to see in the world," and all that. > > And I must say, I feel woefully inadequate for the task: much more so > than I would have 20 years ago, when I was much more certain about many > things. But maybe that means I could actually do it! > > Starting small, I do have an alternate interpretation of that line. I > will try to post it in the next day or so, and apologize in advance if what > I say has already been beaten into the ground during my ten-year foray to > the convenience store to get milk. > > Mary P. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 19:48:00 -0700 From: Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2015 #349 I don't know what to say. Anyone else speechless? - ---- JMDL Digest wrote: > > JMDL Digest Tuesday, July 21 2015 Volume 2015 : Number 349 > > > > ========== > > TOPICS and authors in this Digest: > -------- > WSJ: Candace Bushnell on Joni Mitchell's "Free Man In Paris" ["Jim L'Homm] > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 19:33:22 -0400 > From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" > Subject: WSJ: Candace Bushnell on Joni Mitchell's "Free Man In Paris" > > Wait. The Wall Street Journal stopped checking facts? > > Jim > > > > Steve Dulson said, > > The first comment on the article included this: > > > > "The dichotomy for Joni's life was in her struggle to exist as a feminist lesbian in a man's world..." > > ------------------------------ > > End of JMDL Digest V2015 #349 > ***************************** > > ------- > To post messages to the list,sendto joni@smoe.org > Unsubscribe by clicking here: > mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe > ------- ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #731 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here:mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe