From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #661 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Website:http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe:mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Tuesday, June 2 2015 Volume 2014 : Number 661 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: Pat Boland ["Susan E. McNamara" ] Re: Pat Boland [Jeff Clark ] RE: Pat Boland ["Susan E. McNamara" ] Re: Pat Boland [Jeff Clark ] Re: Pat Boland [kbhla@fastmail.fm] Re: aneurysms, rehab, Joni ["mep@chorus.net" ] RE: JMDL Digest V2015 #32 ["kimberly" ] Re: Pat Boland ["Susan E. McNamara" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2015 18:33:14 +0000 From: "Susan E. McNamara" Subject: RE: Pat Boland Miriam-Webster says itbs British! b: A lot more fun to say than commotion! b: What tuning do you use for That Song About the Midway? I always like to poll on that one because I disagree with the Complete So Far book. I play it DADEAD Capo 2. From: Jeff Clark [mailto:clarkjeff440@ymail.com] Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 1:35 PM To: Susan E. McNamara; JMDL JMDL Subject: Re: Pat Boland I'm also sorry to hear of Pat's passing. Just Like Me is one of my favorite guitar songs to play. Lately, the past few days I've been playing That Song About the Midway. I just put new strings on so it sounds good (I only do that about twice a year). I love all the hammer ons in that song. I really hope Joni is on the mend. I do remember Neil having an aneurysm about 10 years ago though I don't recall the exact details. Obviously he recovered. I think he talked about it in his book. I know he quit drinking and smoking some years ago. Sue, I like that "kerfuffle" My favorite NPR program is A Way With Words on Sunday afternoon. I going to have to contact them to find out the origins of that one! Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2015 22:10:20 +0000 (UTC) From: Jeff Clark Subject: Re: Pat Boland Hi Sue, just watched your video of TSATM. I play it in DADEAD, "just like you".I don't do that slide from the second to the fifth fret. I think its natural to add a little bit of one's own style to the songs. For example you do a bit of strumming rather than just finger picking. I can't do the beginning of Urge for Going without making at least one mistake, which ruins the whole thing. If I practiced it 10,000 times I would not be able to do it. I like your "I hope this string dosen't break" clip at the end :)B Great new article on the website -- A Case of Joni.Jeff On Monday, June 1, 2015 2:33 PM, Susan E. McNamara wrote: #yiv3991340741 #yiv3991340741 -- _filtered #yiv3991340741 {font-family:Helvetica;panose-1:2 11 6 4 2 2 2 2 2 4;} _filtered #yiv3991340741 {font-family:Wingdings;panose-1:5 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0;} _filtered #yiv3991340741 {panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv3991340741 {font-family:Calibri;panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;}#yiv3991340741 #yiv3991340741 p.yiv3991340741MsoNormal, #yiv3991340741 li.yiv3991340741MsoNormal, #yiv3991340741 div.yiv3991340741MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;}#yiv3991340741 a:link, #yiv3991340741 span.yiv3991340741MsoHyperlink {color:#0563C1;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv3991340741 a:visited, #yiv3991340741 span.yiv3991340741MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:#954F72;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv3991340741 span.yiv3991340741EmailStyle17 {color:#1F497D;}#yiv3991340741 .yiv3991340741MsoChpDefault {font-size:10.0pt;} _filtered #yiv3991340741 {margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;}#yiv3991340741 div.yiv3991340741WordSection1 {}#yiv3991340741 Miriam-Webster says itbs British!B JB A lot more fun to say than commotion!JB What tuning do you use for That Song About the Midway?B I always like to poll on that one because I disagree with the Complete So Far book.B I play it DADEAD Capo 2. B From: Jeff Clark [mailto:clarkjeff440@ymail.com] Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 1:35 PM To: Susan E. McNamara; JMDL JMDL Subject: Re: Pat Boland B I'm also sorry B to hear of Pat's passing. Just Like Me is one of my favorite guitar songs to play. Lately, the past few days I've been playing That Song About the Midway. I just put new strings on so it sounds good (I only do that about twice a year). I love all the hammer ons in that song. I really hope Joni is on the mend. I do remember Neil having an aneurysm about 10 years ago though I don't recall the exact details. Obviously he recovered. I think he talked about it in his book. I know he quit drinking and smoking some years ago. Sue, I like that "kerfuffle" My favorite NPR program is A Way With Words on Sunday afternoon. I going to have to contact them to find out the origins of that one! Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2015 13:54:19 +0000 From: "Susan E. McNamara" Subject: RE: Pat Boland The only time I ever heard Pat rant was when there was some kind of kerfuffle on the Joni Mitchell FB page where people were going at each other (controversies over smoking or what have you) ... and he would jump in like the Dad and tell everybody to get a grip. I loved that about him. Stil sad :-( Sue - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of kbhla@fastmail.fm Sent: Friday, May 29, 2015 8:11 PM To: joni@smoe.org; anima_rising@yahoo.ca; mark.travis@frontier.com Subject: Re: Pat Boland Nope, I don't recall one negative moment from Pat, Catherine. Then Mark wrote: > I never met him but I know he was a sweet and loving soul. I will > never forget the joy he expressed when his sister or somebody else > close to him sent him that photo that was taken of him and Joni and, I > think, Chuck, back when Pat knew them both. There at last was > tangible proof, along with flyers and ticket stubs, that he really did > perform on the same stage with her. It is amazing to read of so many people on Facebook who have related that Pat kept up a regular private correspondence with him I checked my history of FB messages from him today and saw the past was just on May 6th. I was so used to seeing him there everyday and had been concerned when he went missing the past week. I remember when he first came on the list (As "P. Henry" and a few people were dubious and challenged him that he had known Joni so far back. Last December he sent me this old post from the JMDL archives in Dec. 1998 where I wrote my little defense of him and asked me if I remembered it. We had a good laugh about it all and I was somewhat embarrassed because that was back when I was much more wordy in my posts (a habit I improved somewhat but not entirely over the years - haha!) As some will recall, he also found two old friends from back in the Cellar days who joined the list for awhile - Brian Moss and Cul Heath - and who corroborated Pat's posts and even added more great detail to those days. Here is the old post he sent me on FB. The person challenging him hasn't bee here in years and I've omitted his name ;-) Hi Kakki, I was just digging through the old list archives since someone asked about them and was reading my first grumblings there and I thought perhaps you too might like to indulge in a little nostalgia... This is what you wrote on our first meeting... kinda cool. ps - Thank you for this artful defense. I bet you were awesome on the debate team! wink emoticon Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 12:48:59 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: P. Henry PENs (long) **** ****** wrote: >Now if you do the math, this would make P Henry approx 47 years old >today ... 7 years joni's junior. Now admittedly the 60s were a freer >generation, but would a college-grad aged joni have been hanging out >with a high-school kid? I leave this question open ... but I for one, >will remain skeptical. The 60s were a very unique time in history. Being 17 today bears no resemblance to 30 years ago, in my opinion. The typical 17 year old male in 1968 lived with the ever-present prospect of being drafted and shipped off to Vietnam. 17 year old females also grew up a lot faster, too, and many married young because their boyfriends were being shipped out to the war. That is why the teenagers of that time fought for, and won, the right to vote at age 18 instead of 21. If an 18 year old was old enough to fight for one's country, then he or she was certainly old enough to vote. Consider that Laura Nyro had written most of the songs for her first album by the time she was 17. Joni left school alone and pregnant when she was 19 and struggled on her own as a singer-songwriter thousands of miles from home in Toronto. The Beatles were 17 and 18 when they started out in Hamburg. Back then, when I was 16 and 17, I was routinely hanging out with musicians and artist friends in their 20s. We also participated in songwriting and jam sessions on a regular basis. Two of those friends had record contracts in their teens. If any of my friends had become as famous and revered as Joni, I would find it hard now to resist posting some of my reminiscences to their discussion lists. I've been on this list for almost two years and have read many personal stories, reminiscences and revelations from listers and have enjoyed them all. I've also posted a few of my own. I also know there have been other listers who are still here who have posted stories of contact with Joni back in the 60s. Why do personal stories involving Joni trouble some of us? Are some afraid they will suffer embarassment at being "hoaxed?" So far, I have not found any offensive or objectionable content in what P. Henry has said about Joni, so why the outrage? There has been some dispute about the timing of her writing Both Sides Now, but I have read at least 3 "official" versions of when she wrote it anyway, so it's plausible to me that the song evolved over time. I hope P. Henry can give us some more stories once he is finished defending and proving himself here. At any rate, he *has* contributed some brand new acronyms to the collection wink emoticon Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2015 17:34:46 +0000 (UTC) From: Jeff Clark Subject: Re: Pat Boland I'm also sorry B to hear of Pat's passing. Just Like Me is one of my favorite guitar songs to play. Lately, the past few days I've been playing That Song About the Midway. I just put new strings on so it sounds good (I only do that about twice a year). I love all the hammer ons in that song.I really hope Joni is on the mend. I do remember Neil having an aneurysm about 10 years ago though I don't recall the exact details. Obviously he recovered. I think he talked about it in his book. I know he quit drinking and smoking some years ago.Sue, I like that "kerfuffle" My favorite NPR program is A Way With Words on Sunday afternoon. I going to have to contact them to find out the origins of that one!Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2015 14:06:34 -0700 From: kbhla@fastmail.fm Subject: Re: Pat Boland Ha - you are right, Sue! That was good ranting! He is going to be so missed. Kakki On Mon, Jun 1, 2015, at 06:54 AM, Susan E. McNamara wrote: > The only time I ever heard Pat rant was when there was some kind of > kerfuffle on the Joni Mitchell FB page where people were going at each > other (controversies over smoking or what have you) ... and he would jump > in like the Dad and tell everybody to get a grip. I loved that about > him. Stil sad :-( > > Sue ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 May 2015 16:06:54 -0400 (EDT) From: "mep@chorus.net" Subject: Re: aneurysms, rehab, Joni Catherine wrote: "Thanks for that email. This really makes me feel relieved and better about Joni's health. Knowledge is power and all that. May Joni get better every day, and I do believe she has it in her to do this." Catherine, I agree that she has it in her to do this--and not only that, but she's done a version of it before. Lately I've been listening to interviews that Joni has given over the years, and in one (NPR, fall, 2014?), she discusses her hospitalization with polio at age 8 or 9. We've all probably heard a version of the story before: being told she would never walk again, few visitors, singing to the Christmas tree, etc. But the part of her experience as was related in this interview that was new to me was this: medical personnel started a treatment with her, gave up. . .*and Joni continued it on her own, day after day, when no one else was there.* This tells me that, even as a very young girl, when she had a tremendous will to do something, there was no stopping her. Does she still have this will at 71, with regard to (perhaps) regaining her ability to speak? There's no doubt that I would prefer her, at this age, to be accepting richly-deserved honors and accolades for a spectacular career, and relaxing by doing whatever she regards as fun. But this would be the *second* time in her life that she attempted something of this magnitude. And she achieved her goal the first time around. Whatever her goal may be this time, whatever constitutes "success" for her: I'm in her corner, cheering her on from afar. I hope that, at some level, she can feel that support from all of us. Mary. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 May 2015 08:52:05 -0700 From: "kimberly" Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2015 #32 I agree, a group thank you would be the least we could do for those who I'm sure worked diligently for this hopeful outcome. I greatly appreciate the incites you offered, Will. We've all had so very little to go on and your apparent background and experience is a big help. This is actually some of the best news we've had and I too am grateful for more time with Joni. I agree, this would be another verse in our "songs to aging children" of which we all are one. A collective voice of gratitude. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni-digest@smoe.org] Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2015 8:03 AM To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2015 #32 JMDL Digest Sunday, May 31 2015 Volume 2015 : Number 032 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: - -------- RE: JMDL Digest V2015 #30 ["mep@chorus.net" ] - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 31 May 2015 11:02:22 -0400 (EDT) From: "mep@chorus.net" Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2015 #30 Will the Druid wrote: "Regardless, the act of making it to rehab is a great achievement, and every reason to celebrate, because that is the darkest time and having made it through that gives every real reason to believe a recovery is highly probable. The state of the art of medical sciences and the people who make that reality which can bring a person through that calamity is something of which a society can be proud. It is their song that is sung to ageing children, of which we all are one. With continued good care, there is every reason for optimism." Will, thanks so much for putting this in perspective. I don't know your background, but it sounds like you have experience caring for patients with aneurysms, including those that have ruptured. I, too, am grateful and optimistic that Joni has made it as far as rehab! That was not a given, especially if the aneurysm burst. Will also wrote: "It would be a nice gesture if people would send a thank you note to her hospital and staff for giving us some more time with Joni." Will, that's a wonderful idea! I'm in. Les, is there any way we could send one note as a group, maybe with input from anyone who wants to contribute, either directly to the hospital staff, or to someone who you know can get it to them? Take care, Mary. - ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2015 #32 **************************** - ------- To post messages to the list,sendto joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe - ------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2015 02:37:45 +0000 From: "Susan E. McNamara" Subject: Re: Pat Boland Thanks for watching my video Jeff! They are so much fun to make! Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 1, 2015, at 6:17 PM, Jeff Clark wrote: > > Hi Sue, just watched your video of TSATM. I play it in DADEAD, "just like > you".I don't do that slide from the second to the fifth fret. I think its > natural to add a little bit of one's own style to the songs. For example you > do a bit of strumming rather than just finger picking. I can't do the > beginning of Urge for Going without making at least one mistake, which ruins > the whole thing. If I practiced it 10,000 times I would not be able to do it. > I like your "I hope this string dosen't break" clip at the end :)B > Great new article on the website -- A Case of Joni.Jeff > > > On Monday, June 1, 2015 2:33 PM, Susan E. McNamara > wrote: > > > #yiv3991340741 #yiv3991340741 -- _filtered #yiv3991340741 > {font-family:Helvetica;panose-1:2 11 6 4 2 2 2 2 2 4;} _filtered > #yiv3991340741 {font-family:Wingdings;panose-1:5 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0;} _filtered > #yiv3991340741 {panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv3991340741 > {font-family:Calibri;panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;}#yiv3991340741 > #yiv3991340741 p.yiv3991340741MsoNormal, #yiv3991340741 > li.yiv3991340741MsoNormal, #yiv3991340741 div.yiv3991340741MsoNormal > {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;}#yiv3991340741 a:link, > #yiv3991340741 span.yiv3991340741MsoHyperlink > {color:#0563C1;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv3991340741 a:visited, > #yiv3991340741 span.yiv3991340741MsoHyperlinkFollowed > {color:#954F72;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv3991340741 > span.yiv3991340741EmailStyle17 {color:#1F497D;}#yiv3991340741 > .yiv3991340741MsoChpDefault {font-size:10.0pt;} _filtered #yiv3991340741 > {margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;}#yiv3991340741 div.yiv3991340741WordSection1 > {}#yiv3991340741 Miriam-Webster says itbs British!B JB A lot more fun to > say than commotion!JB What tuning do you use for That Song About the > Midway?B I always like to poll on that one because I disagree with the > Complete So Far book.B I play it DADEAD Capo 2. B From: Jeff Clark > [mailto:clarkjeff440@ymail.com] > Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 1:35 PM > To: Susan E. McNamara; JMDL JMDL > Subject: Re: Pat Boland B I'm also sorry B to hear of Pat's passing. Just > Like Me is one of my favorite guitar songs to play. Lately, the past few days > I've been playing That Song About the Midway. I just put new strings on so it > sounds good (I only do that about twice a year). I love all the hammer ons in > that song. I really hope Joni is on the mend. I do remember Neil having an > aneurysm about 10 years ago though I don't recall the exact details. Obviously > he recovered. I think he talked about it in his book. I know he quit drinking > and smoking some years ago. Sue, I like that "kerfuffle" My favorite NPR > program is A Way With Words on Sunday afternoon. I going to have to contact > them to find out the origins of that one! Jeff ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #661 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here:mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe