From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #619 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Website:http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe:mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, May 2 2015 Volume 2014 : Number 619 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #618 [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: Latest report on Joni from Assoc Press [Mary Pitassi ] Re: Latest report on Joni from Assoc Press [Lori Renee Fye ] RE: Cassandra's tweet ["Susan E. McNamara" ] Re: Cassandra's tweet [Bob Muller ] Re: Latest report on Joni from Assoc Press [Lori Renee Fye ] Joni in Marillion song [Jussi Pukkila ] Re: Latest report on Joni from Assoc Press [Marion Leffler ] Re: Joni [Victor ] Re: Joni [Catherine McKay ] Re: Joni Mitchell Reportedly Unresponsive, in a Coma [Shari Subject: Re: Street singer? It could be amusing, if it weren't so annoying. What is interesting is how quickly this stuff proliferates. I'm sure you couldn't get a true story to make the rounds that quickly even in our weird wired world. On a similar note, I made the mistake of reading some of the comments under one of the many iterations of the TMZ story and, sure enough, someone had commented that "One tin soldier" was [something like, because this isn't a quote] one of Joni's songs that changed their life. How many times has THAT song been attributed to Joni? Of course it could have been someone trolling, but who knows? bA lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes.b b _Mark Twain_ (http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/1244.Mark_Twain) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 May 2015 10:58:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Mary Pitassi Subject: Re: Latest report on Joni from Assoc Press Anita: Beautifully put. For me, at least part of the difficulty lies in the nature of our relationship with Joni as admirers of her work (I won't use the "f" word). In most conventional senses, Joni is a stranger to the vast majority of us. However, she has put so much of her very essence into her life's work, which we all know so well, that it feels as odd to call her a stranger as it does to say that she has no family. Both statements may be correct, in a certain narrow sense, but as lived reality, they are simply untrue. I agree that we will each react to and struggle with the news, or lack thereof, in our own ways. And I am so appreciative that we have been kind to one another during this hard time. Finally, about the wastefulness of worry: again, in a certain sense that's true. And yet I'm remembering the idea of a butterfly flapping its wings at the equator and having an effect thousands of miles away. None of us can really know what effect "sending up a prayer," or a "vibe," or best, heartfelt wishes, may ultimately have, in a world we don't completely understand. And so I will continue to do just that, while gently taking care of myself and those who also care so much about Joni. Take good care, Mary - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anita Gabrielle" To: "Kevin Foehr" Cc: "Lori Renee Fye" , "anne madden" , joni@smoe.org, mep@chorus.net Sent: Friday, May 1, 2015 3:22:01 AM Subject: Re: Latest report on Joni from Assoc Press I would say that there's likely to be a fair bit of crabbiness and uncertainty here on JMDL as each of us struggles and tries to work out, in our own ways, what is happening to Joni and what our relationship (or lack or relationship) to Joni means to each of us. This is a person whose life work has affected us all in a deep and profound way, yet whom most of us don't know personally. I think Joni's illness probably is thought about frequently by many of us here. I know I think about her several times a day. She does feel almost like a family member and this has really surprised both me and Steph. I am surprised to be affected as much as I have been. I wonder if others have felt like this,too. The kind of questions I imagine many of us are trying to work out ( as I don't think I'm alone) is just what this individual relationship is and isn't. If we think about it, how come we are being so affected by an illness to someone we don't know? How do we respond? What are we entitled to know about and what are we not? Do we grieve for loss or carry on hoping all is well? And what does this experience of not having information resonate within us all of real events in our own lives? Just who is Joni Mitchell to us? There is an awful lot for us to hold as a group. There's bound to be a few spats when the 'unknown ' is so present. It goes very much with this difficult territory at a very difficult time, Trying to be helpful, Anita x > On 1 May 2015, at 03:04, Kevin Foehr wrote: > > Hi Lori, > You are certainly entitled to your opinion, no need to apologize. B Actually I > thought that statement was a quote from the AP article. (I don't read most of > the posts, so I missed the context.) I probably wouldn't have chimed in if I'd > known it was from a list member, so I apologize for hurting your feelings, if > I did. > We are in a difficult position because Joni is more than a run of the mill > celebrity to many of us. She was and still is a significant part of our lives > because of the influence her music and lyrics had on us in our formative > years. She is almost like a member of our family or a very close friend to > many of us. But obviously this is not really the case; so we aren't told what > is going on with her as we would be about a family member or close friend. I > think that causes us to speculate more than less emotionally involved fans > would do.B > The speculation flared up after the TMZ news, but it is fading now, I think. > There is little more to speculate about. All we can do is hope and pray that > she is not suffering and that she will soon recover fully from whatever > afflicts her. > Kevin B > > From: Lori Renee Fye > To: anne madden > Cc: Kevin Foehr ; "joni@smoe.org" ; > "mep@chorus.net" > Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 5:42 PM > Subject: Re: Latest report on Joni from Assoc Press > > My apologies to everyone.B I was feeling crabby. B "Again and again the same > situation ..." > > I do think there's a difference, though, between expressing concern for Joni > and speculating on very private details.B It just feels disrespectful. > > With that written, I was happy to read personal stories about meeting Joni. > > Best, > > Lori > Caldwell, Idaho ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2015 15:42:44 -0600 From: Lori Renee Fye Subject: Re: Latest report on Joni from Assoc Press My apologies to everyone. I was feeling crabby. "Again and again the same situation ..." I do think there's a difference, though, between expressing concern for Joni and speculating on very private details. It just feels disrespectful. With that written, I was happy to read personal stories about meeting Joni. Best, Lori Caldwell, Idaho ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 May 2015 10:24:38 -0700 From: Betsy Blue Subject: The Last Waltz Omigod, you guys, The Last Waltz is on Netflix!!! Joni was so beautiful, and her songs were done brilliantly. Betsy NP: Love Me Do ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 May 2015 21:16:32 +0000 From: "Susan E. McNamara" Subject: RE: Cassandra's tweet Bianca Jagger, too: bMy dear Joni, I just wanted to let you know that I am thinking of you and praying for your speedy recovery. #WeLoveYouJoni xx Biancab - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Les Irvin Sent: Friday, May 01, 2015 5:11 PM To: JMDL Subject: Cassandra's tweet Did anyone notice Cassandra Wilson's tweet of a couple days ago? wow... Cassandra Wilson @reallycassandra It is we who are asleep and await your voice to awaken us. #WeLoveYouJoni ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 May 2015 17:56:43 -0400 From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Cassandra's tweet Wow, that's a lot of emotion in 140 characters or less. Sent from my iPhone > On May 1, 2015, at 5:28 PM, Anita Gabrielle wrote: > > That puts me and my dreams firmly in their place :-)) > Anita > > > >> On 1 May 2015, at 22:14, Susan E. McNamara wrote: >> >> Beautiful!!! >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Les Irvin >> Sent: Friday, May 01, 2015 5:11 PM >> To: JMDL >> Subject: Cassandra's tweet >> >> Did anyone notice Cassandra Wilson's tweet of a couple days ago? wow... >> >> Cassandra Wilson @reallycassandra >> It is we who are asleep and await your voice to awaken us. #WeLoveYouJoni ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 May 2015 18:28:26 -0600 From: Lori Renee Fye Subject: Re: Latest report on Joni from Assoc Press As I was beginning to read today's posts about the subject of Joni's illness something struck me even before I read what Kevin wrote: > When a parent dies we lose a very big part of our lives, our shared history together is no longer shared, it becomes just our memory alone. Yes. I think maybe "seeing" from afar what's going on with Joni's lengthy hospitalization and the fact that Kilauren is there with Joni reminds me of when my mother was in a similar situation: In the hospital for a very long stretch of time. I traveled back and forth from where I lived in another state to be with my mom as much as possible. So there's that. In addition to what Joni means to me I am grieving for the loss of my own mother almost 14 years ago. Joni isn't my mother but certainly her music and lyrics have been my friends during very difficult times, often when my mom wasn't closer to me because I've lived away from "home" since I was 18 years old. (I am almost 57 now.) Anyway, there's that. Beyond that I guess I'm just not much of one for public hand wringing about matters of such a personal nature but of course everyone should write what they want to write. Writing helps. Peace, Lori Caldwell, Idaho ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 May 2015 18:36:36 +0100 From: Anita Gabrielle Subject: Re: Latest report on Joni from Assoc Press Thanks for such kind words about my post, Kevin, Mary and Catherine. I really appreciate all your kindness and wisdom, Anita > On 1 May 2015, at 18:09, Kevin Foehr wrote: > > Hi Anita, > > Thanks for your thoughtful comments. I agree with you that Joni has affected many of us here deeply and profoundly. As a result we have a strong emotional connection with her from a distance. She didn't know us, but we knew her personally through her work. And therefore it is natural for us to worry and wonder. > > I think many of us fear losing her, as we must eventually lose everyone in our life, and that fear reflects, as with all such losses, both the sadness we would feel for Joni and the pain of loss in our own lives. > > She is a part of our personal lives because she helped shape some of our deeply held values and attitudes during our youth, and thus losing her would be losing a part of ourselves. The values and attitudes we developed, influenced by her music and lyrics, would remain, but the source of them would be gone, and that would engender a grieving process. > > But I think there is even more to the connection we feel to her. When a parent dies we lose a very big part of our lives, our shared history together is no longer shared, it becomes just our memory alone. And even though Joni was only a part of our lives from afar, I think we feel somehow we went through the decades together. So her loss would be much more significant than one would expect for someone we never met in person. Our emotional connection to her transcends the distance and she is as close to us as our heart and mind. > > She has longevity in her family, I think, so let's hope she recovers fully and outlives us all! > > Kevin > > From: Anita Gabrielle > To: Kevin Foehr > Cc: Lori Renee Fye ; anne madden ; "joni@smoe.org" ; "mep@chorus.net" > Sent: Friday, May 1, 2015 4:22 AM > Subject: Re: Latest report on Joni from Assoc Press > > I would say that there's likely to be a fair bit of crabbiness and uncertainty here on JMDL as each of us struggles and tries to work out, in our own ways, what is happening to Joni and what our relationship (or lack or relationship) to Joni means to each of us. > > This is a person whose life work has affected us all in a deep and profound way, yet whom most of us don't know personally. I think Joni's illness probably is thought about frequently by many of us here. I know I think about her several times a day. She does feel almost like a family member and this has really surprised both me and Steph. I am surprised to be affected as much as I have been. I wonder if others have felt like this,too. > > The kind of questions I imagine many of us are trying to work out ( as I don't think I'm alone) is just what this individual relationship is and isn't. If we think about it, how come we are being so affected by an illness to someone we don't know? How do we respond? What are we entitled to know about and what are we not? Do we grieve for loss or carry on hoping all is well? And what does this experience of not having information resonate within us all of real events in our own lives? Just who is Joni Mitchell to us? > > There is an awful lot for us to hold as a group. There's bound to be a few spats when the 'unknown ' is so present. It goes very much with this difficult territory at a very difficult time, > Trying to be helpful, > Anita x > > > > On 1 May 2015, at 03:04, Kevin Foehr wrote: > > > > Hi Lori, > > You are certainly entitled to your opinion, no need to apologize. B Actually I > > thought that statement was a quote from the AP article. (I don't read most of > > the posts, so I missed the context.) I probably wouldn't have chimed in if I'd > > known it was from a list member, so I apologize for hurting your feelings, if > > I did. > > We are in a difficult position because Joni is more than a run of the mill > > celebrity to many of us. She was and still is a significant part of our lives > > because of the influence her music and lyrics had on us in our formative > > years. She is almost like a member of our family or a very close friend to > > many of us. But obviously this is not really the case; so we aren't told what > > is going on with her as we would be about a family member or close friend. I > > think that causes us to speculate more than less emotionally involved fans > > would do.B > > The speculation flared up after the TMZ news, but it is fading now, I think. > > There is little more to speculate about. All we can do is hope and pray that > > she is not suffering and that she will soon recover fully from whatever > > afflicts her. > > Kevin B > > > > From: Lori Renee Fye > > To: anne madden > > Cc: Kevin Foehr ; "joni@smoe.org" ; > > "mep@chorus.net" > > Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 5:42 PM > > Subject: Re: Latest report on Joni from Assoc Press > > > > My apologies to everyone.B I was feeling crabby. B "Again and again the same > > situation ..." > > > > I do think there's a difference, though, between expressing concern for Joni > > and speculating on very private details.B It just feels disrespectful. > > > > With that written, I was happy to read personal stories about meeting Joni. > > > > Best, > > > > Lori > > Caldwell, Idaho ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2015 20:14:11 -0600 From: Lori Renee Fye Subject: Re: "Don't always believe everything you read!!!!" Times* ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 May 2015 01:16:44 +0100 From: Jamie Zubairi home Subject: Re: Street singer? It just goes to show that these articles can't be trusted. Journalists just copypaste the original article and then the misreading gains credibility. Like the AP article is just a conflation of the original tmz article and the jmcom report. Lazy lazy lazy. Jamie Zubairi Actor, Artist, Voiceover, Photographer On 30 Apr 2015 22:01, "Susan E. McNamara" wrote: > I just read yet another news report that reiterates info from the original > TMZ post and it says that Joni started her career as a street singer. I > don't ever remember reading anything about Joni ever busking. Have I > missed something? She famously wrote a song about a street musician while > she was escorted to halls by several gentlemen .... > > Sent from my iPhone ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 May 2015 19:31:32 +0300 From: Jussi Pukkila Subject: Joni in Marillion song Totally unrelated to any recent discussion, the Marillion song "Montreal" mentions Joni: http://www.marillion.com/music/lyric.htm?id=822 - --jussi - --- Avast Antivirus on tarkistanut tC$mC$n sC$hkC6postin virusten varalta. http://www.avast.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2015 16:21:55 +0200 From: Marion Leffler Subject: Re: Latest report on Joni from Assoc Press Reading the news and it sure looks bad[?]. I must say I am very concerned. She has been in hospital for a month now so it must be extremely serious judging from that fact alone. So sad to read that she has no family to act on her part. I wonder how her daughter feels about that. Nothing we can do but hope and those of us who believe in the power of prayers can do that. Me, I don't know where they would have to go. Marion in Sweden 2015-04-29 15:48 GMT+02:00 Anne Madden : > Thanks Mary. Yes, article is same. Sounds extremely serious. > > Anne p > > Sent from my iPad > > > On Apr 29, 2015, at 9:35 AM, Mary Pitassi wrote: > > > > Hi, Anne: > > > > The article that I just found, written by an AP entertainment writer, is > identical or very similar to one that I read very early this morning. > Here's the link: > > > > > http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory/joni-mitchells-website-singer-alert-recovery-expected-30667121 > > > > Mary. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Anne Madden" > > To: "Mary Pitassi" > > Cc: joni@smoe.org > > Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2015 8:07:51 AM > > Subject: Latest report on Joni from Assoc Press > > > > Check latest report on Joni from Associated Press and Canadian Press. > Article posted 40 mins ago which is quite detailed. > > > > Anne p > > > Sent from my iPad > > > >> On Apr 29, 2015, at 8:32 AM, Mary Pitassi wrote: > >> > >> To all: > >> > >> I'm glad our folks at jonimitchell.com provided us with additional > information to counteract the TMZ story. B However, after doing a little > digging, I have to admit that I'm still worried. B According to other > articles, TMZ's piece was based on documents filed with the court by Joni's > friend, Leslie Morris. B The quotes were from boxes checked and statements > made in those documents. > >> > >> Now, I may not be practicing law at the moment, but old habits die > hard, and my many years of training and practice tell me that legal > documents are pretty serious things. B I hope, for Joni's sake, that no one > is embellishing the truth in them. B I also hope that those statements and > checked boxes don't reflect Joni's current medical reality. > >> > >> But the only thing I can do now is wait, pray, and hope that Joni's > condition improves. . .whatever the specifics of it may be. > >> > >> Mary P. [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of 33D.gif] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2015 23:06:19 -0600 From: Lori Renee Fye Subject: Re: Latest report on Joni from Assoc Press Inquiring minds would be better off spending their wonder on how to fix what's wrong with communities, states and provinces, nations, and the world. Considering all that Joni has written about the state of various things, I'm sure Joni would rather we do that than to endlessly speculate on her personal, private business. Lori Caldwell, Idaho ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2015 23:12:23 +0100 From: Joe Farrell Subject: re:Joni's health So relieved to see that report on jonimitchell.com about Joni's current condition.Though obviously still serious, given that she is still in hospital, it was much more hopeful than "Joni Mitchell Reportedly Unresponsive in a Coma". That subject line really shocked and upset me when i saw it. Thinking about her constantly. Get well soon Joni. Regards, Joe. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2015 19:24:01 -0700 From: Victor Subject: Re: Joni I'll post some photos on the JMDL FB page tomorrow. One of the kids was really concerned (even though he has no idea who she is) and said he really wanted her to feel better. This is why I love working with 3-5 year olds! Victor in Bend Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 29, 2015, at 2:09 PM, Shari Eaton wrote: > > CUTE get some photos!! > > >> On Apr 29, 2015, at 10:15 AM, Victor wrote: >> >> Today at the preschool where I teach music full-time, I am playing Joni all day. We are also going to color some large banners with intentions of love and healing. >> >> Victor in Bend >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Apr 29, 2015, at 9:46 AM, Michael Paz wrote: >>> >>> The official word was posted last night on jonimitchell.com by Les. It sounds >>> hopeful and I for one am trying to keep the good hopes going. We played a ton >>> of Joni songs last night and it helped us all feel better and more hopeful. >>> >>> Best >>> >>> Paz >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Apr 29, 2015, at 9:37 AM, gpkm6208@comcast.net wrote: >>> >>> I am very concerned and have been for a while now. You do not stay in a >>> hospital for this length of time unless you are critically ill. I have a >>> sense she might be on life support. Does anyone know who provides the info to >>> what is being called her "official website"? Peace, Gerry >>> >>> Sent from my HTC >>> >>> ----- Reply message ----- >>> From: "Mary Pitassi" >>> To: "Anne Madden" >>> Cc: >>> Subject: Latest report on Joni from Assoc Press >>> Date: Wed, Apr 29, 2015 9:35 AM >>> >>> Hi, Anne: >>> >>> The article that I just found, written by an AP entertainment writer, is >>> identical or very similar to one that I read very early this morning. Here's >>> the link: >>> >>> http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory/joni-mitchells-website-singer-a >>> lert-recovery-expected-30667121 >>> >>> Mary. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Anne Madden" >>> To: "Mary Pitassi" >>> Cc: joni@smoe.org >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2015 8:07:51 AM >>> Subject: Latest report on Joni from Assoc Press >>> >>> Check latest report on Joni from Associated Press and Canadian Press. Article >>> posted 40 mins ago which is quite detailed. >>> >>> Anne p> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>>> On Apr 29, 2015, at 8:32 AM, Mary Pitassi wrote: >>>> >>>> To all: >>>> >>>> I'm glad our folks at jonimitchell.com provided us with additional >>> information to counteract the TMZ story. B However, after doing a little >>> digging, I have to admit that I'm still worried. B According to other >>> articles, TMZ's piece was based on documents filed with the court by Joni's >>> friend, Leslie Morris. B The quotes were from boxes checked and statements >>> made in those documents. >>>> >>>> Now, I may not be practicing law at the moment, but old habits die hard, and >>> my many years of training and practice tell me that legal documents are pretty >>> serious things. B I hope, for Joni's sake, that no one is embellishing the >>> truth in them. B I also hope that those statements and checked boxes don't >>> reflect Joni's current medical reality. >>>> >>>> But the only thing I can do now is wait, pray, and hope that Joni's >>> condition improves. . .whatever the specifics of it may be. >>>> >>>> Mary P. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2015 20:46:01 +0000 (UTC) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni Just one of the reasons why you are awesome, Victor! - ----- Original Message ----- From: Victor To: Michael Paz Cc: "gpkm6208@comcast.net" ; Mary Pitassi ; Anne Madden ; "joni@smoe.org" Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2015 1:15 PM Subject: Joni Today at the preschool where I teach music full-time, I am playing Joni all day. We are also going to color some large banners with intentions of love and healing. Victor in Bend Sent from my iPhone ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2015 20:00:25 -0700 From: Shari Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell Reportedly Unresponsive, in a Coma All this while I haven't believed that this was her time .. she said she'd be around a long while and I took that as gospel. First time my confidence was shaken and I was in tears at work wondering how I would get through this. Christ all mighty! The only comfort I could find was that she wouldn't have to suffer emotionally or physically any longer but then I thought of her laugh. Her humor. Her ballets. And I thought .. that's no comfort. She loves being alive! So pleased to know this is a rumor. > On Apr 28, 2015, at 6:49 PM, Mark Scott wrote: > > Thank you, Jamie Zoob. My heart stopped for a second or two until I say your email. > > Mark in Seattle > > -----Original Message----- From: Jamie Zubairi home > Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2015 5:10 PM > To: Mary Morris > Cc: jmdl > Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell Reportedly Unresponsive, in a Coma > > And has been found to be untrue. Please see www.jonimitchell.com > > Jamie Zubairi > Actor, Artist, Voiceover, Photographer >> On 29 Apr 2015 00:41, "Mary" wrote: >> >> This is not good news. I thought you would be interested in this story I >> found >> on MSN: Joni Mitchell Reportedly Unresponsive, in a Coma >> http://a.msn.com/0B/en-us/BBiMWI5?ocid=se >> >> Sent from my Windows Phone ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #619 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here:mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe