From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #618 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Website:http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe:mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, May 2 2015 Volume 2014 : Number 618 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Street singer? [Catherine McKay ] Joni reference in the movie "Wild" [Steve Danielson ] Re: Latest report on Joni from Assoc Press [Kevin Foehr ] Re: Latest report on Joni from Assoc Press [Anita Gabrielle ] Cassandra's tweet [Les Irvin ] Re: MOA makes Rolling Stone's Top 50 Live Albums of all time. [Jeff Clark] Re: Andy Summers Talks Joni Mitchell ... [Michael Paz Subject: Re: Street singer? It could be amusing, if it weren't so annoying. What is interesting is how quickly this stuff proliferates. I'm sure you couldn't get a true story to make the rounds that quickly even in our weird wired world. On a similar note, I made the mistake of reading some of the comments under one of the many iterations of the TMZ story and, sure enough, someone had commented that "One tin soldier" was [something like, because this isn't a quote] one of Joni's songs that changed their life. How many times has THAT song been attributed to Joni? Of course it could have been someone trolling, but who knows? - ----- Original Message ----- From: Jamie Zubairi home To: Sue E Tierney Tierney McNamara Cc: Joni JMDL Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 8:16 PM Subject: Re: Street singer? It just goes to show that these articles can't be trusted. Journalists just copypaste the original article and then the misreading gains credibility. Like the AP article is just a conflation of the original tmz article and the jmcom report. Lazy lazy lazy. On 30 Apr 2015 22:01, "Susan E. McNamara" wrote: > I just read yet another news report that reiterates info from the original > TMZ post and it says that Joni started her career as a street singer. I > don't ever remember reading anything about Joni ever busking. Have I > missed something? She famously wrote a song about a street musician while > she was escorted to halls by several gentlemen .... > > Sent from my iPhone ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 May 2015 01:03:38 +0000 (UTC) From: Steve Danielson Subject: Joni reference in the movie "Wild" Just watched "Wild" last night. It's a movie based on the autobiographical book by Cheryl Strayed about her 1,100 mile hike on the Pacific Crest Trail to help her deal with life. In the movie, from time to time she stops and signs the log book, and a window pops up with what she wrote. When she was in California, one of them was: "6/21/95: Will you take me as I am? California. -Joni Mitchell" Really shows how pervasive Joni is in American culture. Steve ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 May 2015 20:28:24 +0000 From: "Susan E. McNamara" Subject: Andy Summers Talks Joni Mitchell ... Andy Summers talks Joni Mitchell, 'mythology' of The Police, new documentary * ENTERTAINMENT by CASSANDRA SZKLARSKI, THE CANADIAN PRESS Posted Apr 30, 2015 2:39 pm EDT Last Updated Apr 30, 2015 at 9:41 pm EDT TORONTO - Andy Summers is on the phone to talk about his documentary "Can't Stand Losing You: Surviving The Police" but admits his thoughts are with Joni Mitchell these days. Reached recently in Los Angeles, the famed British guitarist is eager to glean more information about Mitchell's health as conflicting reports swirl about her hospitalization. "I spent time with Joni," Summers points out. "I had a whole weekend in New York with her once in my life and I played with her and she was an incredible person. Of course, we all have incredible admiration for her knowing she is one of the absolute greats. Amazing. I would be very sad if what's going on is true." They performed together in 1989, at a concert to raise awareness of environmental issues. Summers was part of an all-star band including Herbie Hancock, Larry Klein, Wayne Shorter and Omar Hakim. "She was very into The Police, believe it or not," Summers says. "She loved The Police and I'm sure Sting was influenced by her at some point in the songwriting. I think she wanted to record with us at one point but I think we were too far into being The Police to have anyone else really play with us." You can read the rest of the article here: http://tinyurl.com/p7b6qjg Sue Tierney McNamara Email: sem8@cornell.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 May 2015 21:14:12 +0000 From: "Susan E. McNamara" Subject: RE: Cassandra's tweet Beautiful!!! - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Les Irvin Sent: Friday, May 01, 2015 5:11 PM To: JMDL Subject: Cassandra's tweet Did anyone notice Cassandra Wilson's tweet of a couple days ago? wow... Cassandra Wilson @reallycassandra It is we who are asleep and await your voice to awaken us. #WeLoveYouJoni ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 May 2015 17:09:23 +0000 (UTC) From: Kevin Foehr Subject: Re: Latest report on Joni from Assoc Press Hi Anita, Thanks for your thoughtful comments. B I agree with you that Joni has affected many of us here deeply and profoundly. B As a result we have a strong emotional connection with her from a distance. B She didn't know us, but we knew her personally through her work. B And therefore it is natural for us to worry and wonder. B I think many of us fear losing her, as we must eventually lose everyone in our life, and that fear reflects, as with all such losses, both the sadness we would feel for Joni and the pain of loss in our own lives. B She is a part of our personal lives because she helped shape some of our deeply held values and attitudes during our youth, and thus losing her would be losing a part of ourselves. B The values and attitudes we developed, influenced by her music and lyrics, would remain, but the source of them would be gone, and that would engender a grieving process. B But I think there is even more to the connection we feel to her. B When a parent dies we lose a very big part of our lives, our shared history together is no longer shared, it becomes just our memory alone. B And even though Joni was only a part of our lives from afar, I think we feel somehow we went through the decades together. B So her loss would be much more significant than one would expect for someone we never met in person. B Our emotional connection to her transcends the distance and she is as close to us as our heart and mind. She has longevity in her family, I think, so let's hope she recovers fully and outlives us all! B Kevin From: Anita Gabrielle To: Kevin Foehr Cc: Lori Renee Fye ; anne madden ; "joni@smoe.org" ; "mep@chorus.net" Sent: Friday, May 1, 2015 4:22 AM Subject: Re: Latest report on Joni from Assoc Press I would say that there's likely to be a fair bit of crabbiness and uncertainty here on JMDL as each of us struggles and tries to work out, in our own ways, what is happening to Joni and what our relationship (or lack or relationship) to Joni means to each of us. This is a person whose life work has affected us all in a deep and profound way, yet whom most of us don't know personally. I think Joni's illness probably is thought about frequently by many of us here. I know I think about her several times a day. She does feel almost like a family member and this has really surprised both me and Steph. I am surprised to be affected as much as I have been. I wonder if others have felt like this,too. The kind of questions I imagine many of us are trying to work out ( as I don't think I'm alone)B is just what this individual relationship is and isn't.B If we think about it, how come we are being so affected by an illness to someone we don't know? How do we respond? What are we entitled to know about and what are we not? Do we grieve for loss or carry on hoping all is well? And what does this experience of not having information resonate within us all of real events in our own lives? Just who is Joni Mitchell to us? There is an awful lot for us to hold as a group. There's bound to be a few spats when the 'unknown ' is so present. It goes very much with this difficult territory at a very difficult time, Trying to be helpful, Anita x > On 1 May 2015, at 03:04, Kevin Foehr wrote: > > Hi Lori, > You are certainly entitled to your opinion, no need to apologize. B Actually I > thought that statement was a quote from the AP article. (I don't read most of > the posts, so I missed the context.) I probably wouldn't have chimed in if I'd > known it was from a list member, so I apologize for hurting your feelings, if > I did. > We are in a difficult position because Joni is more than a run of the mill > celebrity to many of us. She was and still is a significant part of our lives > because of the influence her music and lyrics had on us in our formative > years. She is almost like a member of our family or a very close friend to > many of us. But obviously this is not really the case; so we aren't told what > is going on with her as we would be about a family member or close friend. I > think that causes us to speculate more than less emotionally involved fans > would do.B > The speculation flared up after the TMZ news, but it is fading now, I think. > There is little more to speculate about. All we can do is hope and pray that > she is not suffering and that she will soon recover fully from whatever > afflicts her. > Kevin B > >B B B From: Lori Renee Fye > To: anne madden > Cc: Kevin Foehr ; "joni@smoe.org" ; > "mep@chorus.net" > Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 5:42 PM > Subject: Re: Latest report on Joni from Assoc Press > > My apologies to everyone.BB I was feeling crabby. B "Again and again the same > situation ..." > > I do think there's a difference, though, between expressing concern for Joni > and speculating on very private details.BB It just feels disrespectful. > > With that written, I was happy to read personal stories about meeting Joni. > > Best, > > Lori > Caldwell, Idaho ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 May 2015 22:28:09 +0100 From: Anita Gabrielle Subject: Re: Cassandra's tweet That puts me and my dreams firmly in their place :-)) Anita > On 1 May 2015, at 22:14, Susan E. McNamara wrote: > > Beautiful!!! > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Les Irvin > Sent: Friday, May 01, 2015 5:11 PM > To: JMDL > Subject: Cassandra's tweet > > Did anyone notice Cassandra Wilson's tweet of a couple days ago? wow... > > Cassandra Wilson @reallycassandra > It is we who are asleep and await your voice to awaken us. #WeLoveYouJoni ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 May 2015 09:22:01 +0100 From: Anita Gabrielle Subject: Re: Latest report on Joni from Assoc Press I would say that there's likely to be a fair bit of crabbiness and uncertainty here on JMDL as each of us struggles and tries to work out, in our own ways, what is happening to Joni and what our relationship (or lack or relationship) to Joni means to each of us. This is a person whose life work has affected us all in a deep and profound way, yet whom most of us don't know personally. I think Joni's illness probably is thought about frequently by many of us here. I know I think about her several times a day. She does feel almost like a family member and this has really surprised both me and Steph. I am surprised to be affected as much as I have been. I wonder if others have felt like this,too. The kind of questions I imagine many of us are trying to work out ( as I don't think I'm alone) is just what this individual relationship is and isn't. If we think about it, how come we are being so affected by an illness to someone we don't know? How do we respond? What are we entitled to know about and what are we not? Do we grieve for loss or carry on hoping all is well? And what does this experience of not having information resonate within us all of real events in our own lives? Just who is Joni Mitchell to us? There is an awful lot for us to hold as a group. There's bound to be a few spats when the 'unknown ' is so present. It goes very much with this difficult territory at a very difficult time, Trying to be helpful, Anita x > On 1 May 2015, at 03:04, Kevin Foehr wrote: > > Hi Lori, > You are certainly entitled to your opinion, no need to apologize. B Actually I > thought that statement was a quote from the AP article. (I don't read most of > the posts, so I missed the context.) I probably wouldn't have chimed in if I'd > known it was from a list member, so I apologize for hurting your feelings, if > I did. > We are in a difficult position because Joni is more than a run of the mill > celebrity to many of us. She was and still is a significant part of our lives > because of the influence her music and lyrics had on us in our formative > years. She is almost like a member of our family or a very close friend to > many of us. But obviously this is not really the case; so we aren't told what > is going on with her as we would be about a family member or close friend. I > think that causes us to speculate more than less emotionally involved fans > would do.B > The speculation flared up after the TMZ news, but it is fading now, I think. > There is little more to speculate about. All we can do is hope and pray that > she is not suffering and that she will soon recover fully from whatever > afflicts her. > Kevin B > > From: Lori Renee Fye > To: anne madden > Cc: Kevin Foehr ; "joni@smoe.org" ; > "mep@chorus.net" > Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 5:42 PM > Subject: Re: Latest report on Joni from Assoc Press > > My apologies to everyone.B I was feeling crabby. B "Again and again the same > situation ..." > > I do think there's a difference, though, between expressing concern for Joni > and speculating on very private details.B It just feels disrespectful. > > With that written, I was happy to read personal stories about meeting Joni. > > Best, > > Lori > Caldwell, Idaho ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 May 2015 10:48:38 +0000 (UTC) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Latest report on Joni from Assoc Press Anita said: "This is a person whose life work has affected us all in a deep and profound way, yet whom most of us don't know personally. I think Joni's illness probably is thought about frequently by many of us here. I know I think about her several times a day. She does feel almost like a family member and this has really surprised both me and Steph. I am surprised to be affected as much as I have been. I wonder if others have felt like this,too. The kind of questions I imagine many of us are trying to work out ( as I don't think I'm alone) is just what this individual relationship is and isn't. If we think about it, how come we are being so affected by an illness to someone we don't know? How do we respond? What are we entitled to know about and what are we not?" Now me: Joni said it best, "Love is touching souls, and surely you've touched mine." I guess we're here because Joni has at some point in our lives touched our souls and I think that, if we're still here after all these years, then she continues to do so. And yes, you've got it: people are different and everyone reacts in their own way. Nothing wrong with that. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 May 2015 16:25:55 -0700 From: lesli shadowsandlight Subject: Re: Cassandra's tweet i saw it and really thought she'd nailed it. On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 2:28 PM, Anita Gabrielle wrote: > That puts me and my dreams firmly in their place :-)) > Anita > > > > > On 1 May 2015, at 22:14, Susan E. McNamara wrote: > > > > Beautiful!!! > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Les > Irvin > > Sent: Friday, May 01, 2015 5:11 PM > > To: JMDL > > Subject: Cassandra's tweet > > > > Did anyone notice Cassandra Wilson's tweet of a couple days ago? wow... > > > > Cassandra Wilson @reallycassandra > > It is we who are asleep and await your voice to awaken us. #WeLoveYouJoni ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 May 2015 15:10:39 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: Cassandra's tweet Did anyone notice Cassandra Wilson's tweet of a couple days ago? wow... Cassandra Wilson @reallycassandra It is we who are asleep and await your voice to awaken us. #WeLoveYouJoni ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 May 2015 16:36:14 +0000 (UTC) From: Jeff Clark Subject: Re: MOA makes Rolling Stone's Top 50 Live Albums of all time. Its nice to see MOA make a list like this. Its an enjoyable album. I particularly like Cactus Tree and her guitar playing. I remember cracking up seeing John Kelly do his Joni show which reminded me of Joni during her MOA period, what with the rooster going around in circles during "Circle Game" and his (loving) mimic of Joni's extended outro of You Turn Me On, I'm a Radio. S&L is generally considered the masterpiece among more serious music people. I especially like Edith and the Kingpin and the title song. And Woodstock. It really reaches levels of catharsis. My other favorite is the great '76 Spectrum show. Joni was really full of energy that night! I don't know how much doctoring up goes into these commercially released concerts. I was just reading in RS about all the work Graham Nash put into cutting and pasting lines (of music, not cocaine) into the release of their 74 concerts from various shows. In a way I like that '76 Spectrum show because its purely live, warts and all, as it were. Not that there's any warts to speak of. Just some scattered freckles from Saskatoon. And the introduction of Coyote and Don Juan is particularly exciting.B JeffNP: YTMOIAR,IMH ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 May 2015 18:02:18 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Andy Summers Talks Joni Mitchell ... So cool. I always really liked him as well. On May 1, 2015, at 3:28 PM, Susan E. McNamara wrote: Andy Summers talks Joni Mitchell, 'mythology' of The Police, new documentary * ENTERTAINMENT by CASSANDRA SZKLARSKI, THE CANADIAN PRESS Posted Apr 30, 2015 2:39 pm EDT Last Updated Apr 30, 2015 at 9:41 pm EDT TORONTO - Andy Summers is on the phone to talk about his documentary "Can't Stand Losing You: Surviving The Police" but admits his thoughts are with Joni Mitchell these days. Reached recently in Los Angeles, the famed British guitarist is eager to glean more information about Mitchell's health as conflicting reports swirl about her hospitalization. "I spent time with Joni," Summers points out. "I had a whole weekend in New York with her once in my life and I played with her and she was an incredible person. Of course, we all have incredible admiration for her knowing she is one of the absolute greats. Amazing. I would be very sad if what's going on is true." They performed together in 1989, at a concert to raise awareness of environmental issues. Summers was part of an all-star band including Herbie Hancock, Larry Klein, Wayne Shorter and Omar Hakim. "She was very into The Police, believe it or not," Summers says. "She loved The Police and I'm sure Sting was influenced by her at some point in the songwriting. I think she wanted to record with us at one point but I think we were too far into being The Police to have anyone else really play with us." You can read the rest of the article here: http://tinyurl.com/p7b6qjg Sue Tierney McNamara Email: sem8@cornell.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 May 2015 04:12:49 +0000 (UTC) From: Steve Danielson Subject: "The Last Waltz" now streaming on Netflix Starting today the movie "The Last Waltz" is streaming on Netflix. Joni Mitchell does backup vocal for Neil Young's "Helpless" and does a great performance of "Coyote". Most of you have probably seen it, but if you have Netflix you can now stream it. Just watched it, it was great, haven't seen it for years. From Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_Waltz "Various other artists perform with the Band: Muddy Waters, Paul Butterfield, Neil Young, Joni Mitchell, Van Morrison, Dr. John, Neil Diamond and Eric Clapton. Genres covered include blues, rock and roll, New Orleans R&B, Tin Pan Alley pop, folk and rock. Further genres are explored in segments filmed later on a sound stage with Emmylou Harris (country) and the Staple Singers (soul and gospel).". The audio during the interviews with the Band members didn't work for me, but they have closed captioning. The audio for the music worked fine for me. PS I loved Robbie Robertson when he went solo, such as this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KP9PNSUME4 Steve ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #618 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here:mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe