From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #597 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Website:http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe:mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, April 18 2015 Volume 2014 : Number 597 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Joni Server down [Jeff Clark ] RE: JMDL Digest V2014 #2026 [ingrid lochrenberg ] Re: (JMDL Digest V2014 #2014) Joni's Personality/JMDL [Anita Gabrielle ] Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #2037 [Lynne Florio ] RE: Jezebel weighs in on Morgellons and also on Joni ["Susan E. McNamara"] Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #2011 [gerry kelly ] Yes, agreed ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Fountain of Light [Jeff Clark ] Re: Fountain of Light [Kathy Johnson ] RE: JMDL Digest V2014 #2039 ["kimberly" ] Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #2034 ["Robin" ] Streaming the 2013 Luminato Tribute ["Susan E. McNamara" Subject: Joni Server down Is the JoniM.com site down? I try to go on and it says "access forbidden". B I think its because of something I said about Wild Things Run Fast 15 years ago-- she's known to hold grudges ;) Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2015 13:11:01 +0200 From: ingrid lochrenberg Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2014 #2026 Really going to someone to check if I am sane is not my idea of sanity. Sent from my Windows Phone ________________________________ From: JMDL Digest Sent: b2015-b04-b16 12:41 PM To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2014 #2026 JMDL Digest Thursday, April 16 2015 Volume 2014 : Number 2026 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: - -------- Re: Njc [Anita G ] - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2015 11:28:02 +0100 From: Anita G Subject: Re: Njc On 16 April 2015 at 10:37, ingrid lochrenberg wrote: > > At some stage there will be a belief in individuality. It really is the > only > thing that makes sense. > > Ingrid, sweetie, I absolutely know in my bones that 'individuality' is the only thing that makes sense to you at the moment, but it really ISN'T the only that makes sense. I am concerned about you and hope you can hear that. You gave some advice yesterday to Joni about going and making a salad. Maybe that's very good advice for you to give to yourself. Do something very ordinary if you can. I am worried you may be well be going to fly away again. Maybe check out with those close to you how you are doing. Do take care Anita - ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2014 #2026 ****************************** - ------- To post messages to the list,sendtojoni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe - ------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2015 09:11:56 +0100 From: Anita Gabrielle Subject: Re: (JMDL Digest V2014 #2014) Joni's Personality/JMDL On 16 Apr 2015, at 02:47, Rebecca Alexander wrote: > > I respect Joni very much.for her unique way of seeing life. That's why she's a great artist. And I love her ability to see through the bullshit of the western culture. Since I joined this group I'm not sure why people need to > pick her personality apart.God Bless You Joni. Praying for you. > Hi Becky There are always ups and downs on JMDL with all kinds of views and opinions expressed about the music,art,life and times of the 'great artist' Joni Mitchell. I personally have often wondered who she really is, what motivates her, how her great gift manifested etc for well over forty years. Joni's relationship (or rather lack of relationship) to feminism is currently part of the discussion here on JMDL right now. And there is considerable variety of views. You feel that Joni has the ability to see through the 'bullshit of the western culture." Maybe others will see things quite differently from you. The variety of views, opinions and topics is the reason that JMDL is not Joni sycophantic but an interesting, vibrant discussion list. However, that fact does bring personal challenges to everyone here, from time to time. I unsubscribed a while back over something that irritated me, but realised I was being overly precious. I often want the Whole World to agree with my every sentiment:-))) I know you will understand the power of Ego. Unlike you, I don't experience people here picking Joni's personality apart, but there is always a lot of talk here about who in the world she might be. Overall, there is more deep understanding, appreciation and Love for Joni and her work amongst the people who read these posts than anywhere else I have found. There will be many here continuing to pray for her. I know I am, Anita ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2015 06:30:30 -0700 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: Jezebel weighs in on Morgellons and also on Joni Thanks, Bob! Mark From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2015 6:05 AM To: joni@smoe.org Cc: Mark Scott Subject: Re: Jezebel weighs in on Morgellons and also on Joni LOL, that shortened link didn't work, probably because I copied the broken link from the email instead of from the actual website. In any case, for those who want to read the Morgellons article: http://tinyurl.com/nmqyctt Bob NP: Kendrick Lamar, "Alright" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any and all computers and other devices. 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Deep thinkers all, no doubt, but I think Joni is too. I've finally found my own kind! Rock on group and sending well wishes to Jonip ; Lynne from NJ Overthinkers Anonymous Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 16, 2015, at 8:51 PM, JMDL Digest wrote: > > > JMDL Digest Thursday, April 16 2015 Volume 2014 : Number 2037 > > > > ========== > > TOPICS and authors in this Digest: > -------- > Re: Fountain of Light [Jeff Clark ] > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2015 00:48:08 +0000 (UTC) > From: Jeff Clark > Subject: Re: Fountain of Light > > Steve wrote: > < is: > "People will tell you where they've gone > They'll tell you where to go > But till you get there yourself you never really know" > Steve>> > > Thank you Steve. It all comes from the Master, that Fountain of Wisdom. That > Joni line from Amelia registered strongly with me as well for many years, and > I'm sure to many others. Thank you for that Scientific American article of > intelligence. I marked that and am going to try to print the whole thing out > this w/end. I enjoy reading stuff like that. Its sad to see people leaving the > list. I was thinking today how a Joni list softball team would do against > David Crosby's lists team. I was guessing they would run out of breath sooner > and we would cream them. But can't do it if no ones here.B > Jeff > > ------------------------------ > > End of JMDL Digest V2014 #2037 > ****************************** > > ------- > To post messages to the list,sendtojoni@smoe.org. > Unsubscribe by clicking here: > mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe > ------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2015 14:30:44 +0000 From: "Susan E. McNamara" Subject: RE: Jezebel weighs in on Morgellons and also on Joni Although the full link doesn't work if you just click it, you can copy and paste the whole link into your browser and read the article, which I just did. This subject makes me very sad, and it's not just because of Joni. I have had several people in my life who have suffered from undiagnosible chronic pain, and it's frightening to watch. They either get prescribed mounds of drugs and become like zombies, or they are denied medications because they are considered drug seekers. They are perceived as delusional or "crazy," but what came first, the chicken or the egg? It's baffling but our culture doesn't want to admit that there are limitations to what the human mind can know. People suffer and it's up to the healthy to try and make their days a little better (and it should be a team effort ... ). - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Mark Scott Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2015 1:01 AM To: Joni List Subject: Re: Jezebel weighs in on Morgellons and also on Joni I knew the link would be messed up but I'm too tech challenged to know how to do tiny url. My apologies. And I'm not trying to stir anything up, just sharing something that was shared with me by a friend who knows I love Joni. Mark in Seattle - -----Original Message----- From: Mark Scott Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2015 9:04 PM To: Joni List Subject: Jezebel weighs in on Morgellons and also on Joni http://jezebel.com/real-delusions-of-an-unreal-disease-a-history-of-morge-169 6912437?utm_campaign=socialflow_jezebel_facebook&utm_source=jezebel_facebook& utm_medium=socialflow ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2015 16:26:47 +0100 From: gerry kelly Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #2011 ...brings me things I really can't give up just yet.... Sent from my iPhone > On 15 Apr 2015, at 16:19, JMDL Digest wrote: > > > JMDL Digest Wednesday, April 15 2015 Volume 2014 : Number 2011 > > > > ========== > > TOPICS and authors in this Digest: > -------- > re: Fountain of Sorrow [c Karma ] > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2015 15:14:15 +0000 > From: c Karma > Subject: re: Fountain of Sorrow > > I think Joni's relationship with her muse and her responsibility to the > politics of fame are laid out plainly in the lyric for "Turbulent Indigo." > It's all there. > CC > > ------------------------------ > > End of JMDL Digest V2014 #2011 > ****************************** > > ------- > To post messages to the list,sendtojoni@smoe.org. > Unsubscribe by clicking here: > mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe > ------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2015 08:49:42 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Yes, agreed Yes, I agree. In one of the biographies, a childhood friend said that she was always the leader when they put on a show. In fact she demanded to be the leader. Jim <> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2015 23:57:49 +0000 (UTC) From: Jeff Clark Subject: Fountain of Light There are three things I think about every day that I've culled from Joni. One is her saying that innocence is one of the "essences of life". That no matter how cynical and bitter you might become, its important to recognize the quality of innocence. I think she said that when she met her grandkids. I was thinking of when Les had lunch with her and she pointed out the birds nesting in the parking garage. How many people pay attention to stuff like that?Second is her concept of "crop rotation". How she rotates her hobbies and interests; if its not working in one area at any time, maybe its best to change gears and do something else. I can understand her reluctance to be pigeonholded in any way. And third, her understanding that "people always get everything wrong." In that CBC interview when he asks her if it bothers her that people call her a recluse, she just says "No, people get everything wrong. Whenever anyone gets anything right I'm amazed." I say that all the time. People in general don't listen well, are distracted, etc. And unless it involves lawyers, potential jail time, or significant amounts of money, it really dosen't matter. So thanks for all that Joni! Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2015 19:16:09 -0600 From: Kathy Johnson Subject: Re: Fountain of Light On 2015-04-15, at 5:57 PM, Jeff Clark wrote: > Second > is her concept of "crop rotation". How she rotates her hobbies and interests; > if its not working in one area at any time, maybe its best to change gears and > do something else. I can understand her reluctance to be pigeonholded in any > way. Coming from several generations of Canadian farmers, and before that English, Swedish and Norwegian farmers, I can see the sense in applying crop rotation philosophy to life in general. > And third, her understanding that "people always get everything wrong." Hoo boy, no kidding. People make me very, very tired. Even the best people. > In that CBC interview when he asks her if it bothers her that people call her > a recluse, she just says "No, people get everything wrong. Whenever anyone > gets anything right I'm amazed." I say that all the time. I'm going to start saying it, too. > People in general > don't listen well, are distracted, etc. And they filter what they see and hear, through their own issues, and skew things up completely, and remember them all wrong. It's weird, actually. I find it a little bit frightening at times. You know ... is it them losing a grip on reality or ... is it me!!?? I am one of those who is disappointed by Joni's (lack of) understanding of feminism; it is not the definition in any dictionary that I have seen. I believe she sees it more as militant man-hating feminine-rejecting man imitating. And there is that, but it is not straight-ahead feminism. I agree we have to go toe-to-toe, one-on-one, with people in our lives who assume they are superior to us; yes we do, difficult as that can be, and often quite punishing, actually. Unfortunately, that doesn't work when it comes to changing society in general -- in law, economies, etc. It takes public activism for that, and I applaud the women and men who have taken so much shit in order to effect change in these areas. They had courage that I can't be sure I'd have had, and in many countries around the world right now they are displaying courage I know I do not have. But I don't expect Joni to be wiser or smarter than I am or than anyone else, other than having a few more miles on her than I do, and that usually means more experience, more understanding, and more sense. Still: not always. Her music has moved me for 40 years and her genius amazes me. That's what I am a fan of. Kate of the North b?b 1b.b?b 1b.b?b 1b. Stubblejumpin'Gal http://goldengrainfarm.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2015 20:45:56 -0700 From: "kimberly" Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2014 #2039 All, As I wait daily for news, like everyone else, I've also been waiting to announce the release of my new band and website that is completely inspired by Joni and her music. I touched in with Les the other day not knowing exactly what to do. What had started out as a wonderful study and emersion into Joni's songs quickly turned into a painful vigil with the news of her illness. My response from Les and hopefully from you all too is that I should just "go for it," and press on with this powerful music and tribute. "Celebration of Joni Mitchell" is barely a year in the making and plays music from every decade. If any of you are in the areas where we're playing I hope that you stop in and say hi! We'll be in Galway, Ireland May 8th, then back in the U.S on the West Coast after that. Here we are; Celebration Of Joni Mitchell. We're based in Santa Barbara & Ventura, California. www.celebrationofjonimitchell.com Enjoy! In love and gratitude to Joni, Kimberly Ford - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni-digest@smoe.org] Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2015 7:00 PM To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2014 #2039 JMDL Digest Thursday, April 16 2015 Volume 2014 : Number 2039 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: - -------- Coming in from the cold (NJC) ["mep chorus.net" ] - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2015 20:59:17 -0500 From: "mep chorus.net" Subject: Coming in from the cold (NJC) Hello, all: My original introduction/reintroduction post of a few weeks ago somehow kept bouncing back to me, so I thought I'd try again. Like others here, I joined (or in my case, re-joined) the JMDL when I learned of Joni's recent hospitalization. At that moment, the list seemed the best place to be for some much-needed heart, humor, and humility. For those who don't know me, I was one of the list's old-timers from back in the mid-90's, but got caught up in life and technical difficulties a few years back. I've been an admirer of Joni's music since I first heard parts of "Court & Spark" at 15 in high school study hall, and feel privileged to have heard her in concert four times (one of which was that wonderful tour of 1979!). The JMDL was the first online list I ever joined, and I enjoyed meeting so many friends of spirit. For those who do know me, I'm sorry for the long absence. The big news is that I lost my job a few years back due to legislative changes that effectively repealed the state statute on which my legal career had been based. I went back to school and am now considering several new options, all of them pretty interesting! It's been great to see the old names, and to get to know the people behind the new ones. As someone from the old days used to sign off (Jamie Z., are you still here??): "Much Joni." Mary P. - ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2014 #2039 ****************************** - ------- To post messages to the list,sendtojoni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe - ------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2015 11:21:23 -0400 From: "Robin" Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #2034 Becky, I am also new to this group and joined to try and connect with others after hearing of Joni's illness. Having mortality stare you in the face eliminates the usual denial of it--and propelled me to commune with those who might feel as I do. The uneasiness that I feel with this group is the need to pull apart and look at Joni the person, and her work as pieces and examine each one with the focus of a high-powered microscope. Do I think that Joni would ever participate in such a discussion or want people to look at her life in this way? I do not. So for this reason I will not voyeur here any longer. Best wishes to you. Robin - ----- Original Message ----- From: "JMDL Digest" To: Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2015 10:54 AM Subject: JMDL Digest V2014 #2034 > > JMDL Digest Thursday, April 16 2015 Volume 2014 : Number > 2034 > > > > ========== > > TOPICS and authors in this Digest: > -------- > RE: JMDL Digest V2014 #2022 [Rebecca Alexander > ] > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2015 10:52:16 -0400 > From: Rebecca Alexander > Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2014 #2022 > > Mea Culpa Anita. You are correct. The only other artist digest I was a > part of > was the Irish singer Mar Black who is retiring from travel performances > this > year. This group is very different in it's activity so I guess I was > caght > off guard. I generally am more tolerant but it does seem irrational to me > to > guess what someone else was thinking. But I do feel the love for Joni here > and > that is what matters. Thanks for the feedback.BlessingsBecky > > > Sent via the Samsung Galaxy NoteB. 3, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone > > - -------- Original message -------- > From: JMDL Digest > Date: 04/16/2015 4:18 AM (GMT-05:00) > To: joni-digest@smoe.org > Subject: JMDL Digest V2014 #2022 > > > JMDL Digest Thursday, April 16 2015 Volume 2014 : Number > 2022 > > > > ========== > > TOPICS and authors in this Digest: > - -------- > Re: (JMDL Digest V2014 #2014) Joni's Personality/JMDL [Anita Gabrielle > > - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2015 09:11:56 +0100 > From: Anita Gabrielle > Subject: Re: (JMDL Digest V2014 #2014) Joni's Personality/JMDL > > On 16 Apr 2015, at 02:47, Rebecca Alexander > wrote: >> >> I respect Joni very much.for her unique way of seeing life. That's why > she's a great artist. And I love her ability to see through the bullshit > of > the western culture. Since I joined this group I'm not sure why people > need > to >> pick her personality apart.God Bless You Joni. Praying for you. >> > > Hi Becky > There are always ups and downs on JMDL with all kinds of views and > opinions > expressed about the music,art,life and times of the 'great artist' Joni > Mitchell. I personally have often wondered who she really is, what > motivates > her, how her great gift manifested etc for well over forty years. > > Joni's relationship (or rather lack of relationship) to feminism is > currently > part of the discussion here on JMDL right now. And there is considerable > variety of views. > > You feel that Joni has the ability to see through the 'bullshit of the > western > culture." Maybe others will see things quite differently from you. The > variety > of views, opinions and topics is the reason that JMDL is not Joni > sycophantic > but an interesting, vibrant discussion list. However, that fact does bring > personal challenges to everyone here, from time to time. I unsubscribed a > while back over something that irritated me, but realised I was being > overly > precious. I often want the Whole World to agree with my every > sentiment:-))) I > know you will understand the power of Ego. > > Unlike you, I don't experience people here picking Joni's personality > apart, > but there is always a lot of talk here about who in the world she might > be. > Overall, there is more deep understanding, appreciation and Love for Joni > and > her work amongst the people who read these posts than anywhere else I have > found. > > There will be many here continuing to pray for her. I know I am, > Anita > > - ------------------------------ > > End of JMDL Digest V2014 #2022 > ****************************** > > - ------- > To post messages to the list,sendtojoni@smoe.org. > Unsubscribe by clicking here: > mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe > - ------- > > ------------------------------ > > End of JMDL Digest V2014 #2034 > ****************************** > > ------- > To post messages to the list,sendtojoni@smoe.org. > Unsubscribe by clicking here: > mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe > ------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2015 14:17:46 +0000 From: "Susan E. McNamara" Subject: Streaming the 2013 Luminato Tribute I'm so happy to be listening to this right now. I was in the audience and still consider it one of the highlights of my life! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTv2YHLGbG0 Joni Mitchell & Friends 2013 - A 70th Birthday Happening Sue Tierney McNamara Email: sem8@cornell.edu ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #597 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here:mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe