From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #581 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Website:http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe:mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, April 11 2015 Volume 2014 : Number 581 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- JMDL is fragile too ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: Globe and Mail [Catherine McKay ] Patty Griffin tonight in Philadelphia, PA ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2015 13:28:38 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: JMDL is fragile too If I remember correctly, the JMDL is on a platform called smoe. I think it is hosted on a liberal college server. Whomever started smoe abandoned it years ago, left no forwarding address, and no new leadership. It sounds like a science fiction script to me. Perhaps one day smoe, having no parent, and no (known) lineage, will be dropped without notice or recourse. Les floated the idea of moving the JMDL email list. He was quickly shot down, probably by the silent majority of non-technical people who don't even grasp the problem, or how profoundly simple the solutions are. One day, we will be JMDL's virtual orphans as we are in real life. There will be no farewell, no funeral, no wake, no resurrection. We'll go back to where we came; we will admire Joni in isolation, until each of us blink off too. Jim > From: Birdie Breeze > Yes the list does that sometimes. >> From: "mep chorus.net" >> Has anyone else been getting a spurt of "digests" today that are only >> single posts? >> >> I also seem to be getting a lot of repeat posts. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2015 19:23:09 +0000 (UTC) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Globe and Mail Yeah, there's that too. I will be honest: I didn't even read the whole thing. It was too damn long! I am partly of the mind that the whole Morgellon's thing is a crock, and yet... and I think part of the reason I want to believe it's a crock is that that's the only thing that keeps me from getting the itchie-gitchies all over. If you do have time to read that Harper's one whose link I forwarded a bit earlier, it's worth the read, because you do get the people who are fairly obvious either crackheads or something else, but you also get the ones (and they are probably the majority) who seem quite normal. There are always going to be people jumping on the bandwagon when new (or newly identified) illnesses show up, so yes, you are going to draw the crazies and the ones who claim they have the cure. We used to have people contacting us at work claiming that they had the cure for HIV, SARS, various flus and so on. Usually it was some herbal remedy, like cayenne. Well, d'oh! we never even t'ought of dat! Just drink cayenne tea and all your problems will go away! The medical profession was very slow to react to Lyme disease and seemed to suggest anyone with its symptoms was mentally ill. I know the CDC did a study on Morgellon's which didn't find anything, but that doesn't mean there's nothing to it except a bunch of hysterical people scratching themselves. Now, I have a hard time with that whole "fibres coming out of the skin" thing, and sometimes wonder whether people have some other form of dermatitis. My son has a weird kind of eczema that our doctor at first thought was insect bites. I have a mild case of rosacea, and that's one of those weird things that affects different people in different ways but it occurs a lot in northern Europeans, especially Irish, English, Scandinavians and it usually affects people once they reach 40 or over. It can give you red skin, pimple-like lesions, bumps and so on and some people have it really bad. I have sometimes wondered whether Joni actually has a bad case of rosacea. BUT.... I don't want to get into a flame war about this, because I'm more curious than anything. I'm not going to assume that people who have these symptoms are all mentally ill (and anyway, who isn't?) Also, anything I've read about Morgellon's doesn't seem to indicate that a person would pass out, faint, collapse or whatever because of it. So, I wonder what the G&M's writer's point really was. From: Anita G To: Catherine McKay Cc: Michael Sentance ; "joni@smoe.org" Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2015 2:12 PM Subject: Re: Globe and Mail I can't quite find the reasons why I find this article really irritating and patronising. It doesn't seem nearly as contentious as so many other things I have read over the years on JMDL and there has clearly been some thought gone into the relationship we have to an artist and to their art, alongside the 'contamination' folk may suffer from art created by 'bad' people. I think it might be the last bit that says; "B And if shebs suffering from delusional parasitosis, it would in fact be more compassionate to describe her as a victim of mental illness than to preserve a fictitious persona. After all, her songs will live for much longer than she does." I don't feel Joni has ever had a 'fictitious persona' at all. She has always been might real with ups and downs, good and bad, arrogance and humility, consistency and non consistency, boring stories and interesting stories.B Pretty all round good/bad like the rest of us from time to time - except with great honesty in the public eye and we don't have her talent. No-one for me has described so lyrically the human condition with more insight than Joni and my research for the Symposium in July underlines this ability of Joni's time after time. Alongside this, I get so irritated by the ever elongated lists of psychiatric conditions that are written by doctors attempting to define things they just don't understand and have come up with 'definitions' of people's struggles for centuries. These blinking fashionable words that come and go like 'hysteria', 'the 'vapours', B 'neurosis' etc.etc The abuses suffered by independent thinkers (especially women) at the hands of psychiatrists have been well documented. If Joni is suffering from 'delusional parasitosis' it sounds just like another label to me. Let's hope they don't come up with another one of those great ideas like a lobotomy or Electro Convulsive Therapy to 'help' Joni. Oh no, just remembered they're not in fashion at the moment. Is Prozac still fashionable, or is this there something else that makes the drug companies another mint? Oh yes, isn't it called Placebo? In the world, it seems there cannot be a Great Mystery. Everything has to be labelled and boxed, even if the labelling and boxing is incredibly harmful. A terrible combination of symptoms are just that. A terrible combination of symptoms that we should seek to understand without pathologising. I was so deeply moved that I cried after reading Mary's Christmas Tree post and now, after reading this article, I am off to vomit. What an up and down day.B Pretty ordinary, really,Anita On 11 April 2015 at 17:35, Catherine McKay wrote: Sorry, everyone. I sent that in rich-text and it took away the url. Here it is: http://harpers.org/archive/2013/09/the-devils-bait/ - ----- Original Message ----- From: Catherine McKay To: Michael Sentance ; "joni@smoe.org" Cc: Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2015 12:08 PM Subject: Re: Globe and Mail Someone posted a link on Facebook yesterday to an article on Morgellon's that might have been posted here as well when it came out. Be warned: you will no doubt feel icky and itchy when you read it. I think the writer does a good job of balancing the crazies/addicts against the sane (or seemingly sane) people who say they have Morgellon's, or who have something that matches its symptoms. I reserve judgement on this. I remember years ago getting a phone call at work from a woman who described many of these symptoms and was looking for help, at a time when none of us had heard the word "Morgellon's" and thinking this woman did NOT sound crazy. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2015 16:46:37 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Patty Griffin tonight in Philadelphia, PA Apr 11 - Patty Griffin @ World Cafe Live - Philadelphia, PA I don't think Catgirl is home right now but, still, someone might benefit. 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BARBEARUH ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2015 17:29:03 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: Globe and Mail This article infuriated me. There is no reason to suppose that Morgellon's disease had anything to do with Joni's hospitalization. Lazy, cut-and-paste "journalists" just did a Google search on "Joni health" and wrote up their own ignorant assumptions. I don't necessarily disagree with the writer's conclusion about Morgellon's, but it has absolutely no relevance to the present situation. - -- Deb Messling dlmessling@gmail.com http://bookbook.typepad.com/blog/ ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #581 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here:mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe