From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #578 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Website:http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe:mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Friday, April 10 2015 Volume 2014 : Number 578 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: Fountain of sorrow ["mep chorus.net" ] RE: Fountain of Sorrow ["Robert Sartorius" ] RE: Fountain of Sorrow ["Robert Sartorius" ] RE: Fountain of Sorrow ["Susan E. McNamara" ] RE: Fountain of Sorrow ["Susan E. McNamara" ] RE: Fountain of Sorrow ["Susan E. McNamara" ] RE: Fountain of Sorrow ["Susan E. McNamara" ] Re: DJs on Joni [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2015 12:55:17 -0500 From: "mep chorus.net" Subject: RE: Fountain of sorrow Agreed. ;-) I think I knew this song was about Joni, but it was good to hear it again. I hope that there has been or might be reconciliation between Jackson and Joni, especially at a time like this. But, without wanting to get into ancient history, for some wounds, maybe "nothing can be done." Mary. Sue McNamara wrote: Hi Bob, I do remember the thread about this song a couple of weeks ago. I always liked this song a lot but never knew it was about Joni. Reading this post made me want to hear it again and I found a live version of it here with an interesting introduction by Jackson ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwngpzlN2_s Makes me think it certainly is about Joni! :-) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2015 13:03:35 -0400 From: "Robert Sartorius" Subject: RE: Fountain of Sorrow Ah, yes, Sue. Based on the evidence presented by my expert witness, I rest my case. Bobsart - -----Original Message----- From: Susan E. McNamara [mailto:sem8@cornell.edu] Sent: Friday, April 10, 2015 12:11 PM To: Robert Sartorius; joni@smoe.org; onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: RE: Fountain of Sorrow Hi Bob, I do remember the thread about this song a couple of weeks ago. I always liked this song a lot but never knew it was about Joni. Reading this post made me want to hear it again and I found a live version of it here with an interesting introduction by Jackson ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwngpzlN2_s Makes me think it certainly is about Joni! :-) Sue - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Robert Sartorius Sent: Friday, April 10, 2015 11:50 AM To: joni@smoe.org; onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: RE: Fountain of Sorrow I emailed this a couple of weeks ago, but I have no indication that it went through. So, I am sending it again (with apologies if this is duplicative) I was travelling, travelling, travelling on a not-so-lonely road to Margaritaville with my daughter and 8-month old grandson last month, listening to some CD's on "shuffle", when I was struck by the lyrics to Jackson Browne's "Fountain of Sorrow". I had heard the song many times before, but for some reason this listening kindled in me an epiphany of sorts - that it "must" have been written about Joni. When I got home a few days later, I googled it on Wikipedia, which reported that it was, indeed, generally attributed to being about Browne's brief affair with Joni circa 1972. However, when I re-visited the "Songs About Joni" section in JoniMitchell.com, I did not see it listed there. I would welcome Simon Montgomery's insights about this song - and, of course, any comments from other listers as well. Bobsart Jackson Browne - Fountain Of Sorrow - 1974 Looking through some photographs I found inside a drawer I was taken by a photograph of you There were one or two I know that you would have liked a little more But they didn't show your spirit quite as true You were turning 'round to see who was behind you And I took your childish laughter by surprise And at the moment that my camera happened to find you There was just a trace of sorrow in your eyes Now the things that I remember seem so distant and so small Though it hasn't really been that long a time What I was seeing wasn't what was happening at all Although for a while, our path did seem to climb When you see through love's illusions, there lies the danger And your perfect lover just looks like a perfect fool So you go running off in search of a perfect stranger While the loneliness seems to spring from your life Like a fountain from a pool Fountain of sorrow, fountain of light You've known that hollow sound of your own steps in flight You've had to hide sometimes, but now you're all right And it's good to see your smiling face tonight Now for you and me it may not be that hard to reach our dreams But that magic feeling never seems to last And while the future's there for anyone to change, still you know it seems It would be easier sometimes to change the past I'm just one or two years and a couple of changes behind you In my lessons at love's pain and heartache school Where if you feel too free and you need something to remind you There's this loneliness springing up from your life Like a fountain from a pool Fountain of sorrow, fountain of light You've known that hollow sound of your own steps in flight You've had to hide sometimes but now you're all right And it's good to see your smiling face tonight Fountain of sorrow, fountain of light You've known that hollow sound of your own steps in flight You've had to struggle, you've had to fight To keep understanding and compassion in sight You could be laughing at me, you've got the right But you go on smiling so clear and so bright ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2015 11:49:40 -0400 From: "Robert Sartorius" Subject: RE: Fountain of Sorrow I emailed this a couple of weeks ago, but I have no indication that it went through. So, I am sending it again (with apologies if this is duplicative) I was travelling, travelling, travelling on a not-so-lonely road to Margaritaville with my daughter and 8-month old grandson last month, listening to some CD's on "shuffle", when I was struck by the lyrics to Jackson Browne's "Fountain of Sorrow". I had heard the song many times before, but for some reason this listening kindled in me an epiphany of sorts - that it "must" have been written about Joni. When I got home a few days later, I googled it on Wikipedia, which reported that it was, indeed, generally attributed to being about Browne's brief affair with Joni circa 1972. However, when I re-visited the "Songs About Joni" section in JoniMitchell.com, I did not see it listed there. I would welcome Simon Montgomery's insights about this song - and, of course, any comments from other listers as well. Bobsart Jackson Browne - Fountain Of Sorrow - 1974 Looking through some photographs I found inside a drawer I was taken by a photograph of you There were one or two I know that you would have liked a little more But they didn't show your spirit quite as true You were turning 'round to see who was behind you And I took your childish laughter by surprise And at the moment that my camera happened to find you There was just a trace of sorrow in your eyes Now the things that I remember seem so distant and so small Though it hasn't really been that long a time What I was seeing wasn't what was happening at all Although for a while, our path did seem to climb When you see through love's illusions, there lies the danger And your perfect lover just looks like a perfect fool So you go running off in search of a perfect stranger While the loneliness seems to spring from your life Like a fountain from a pool Fountain of sorrow, fountain of light You've known that hollow sound of your own steps in flight You've had to hide sometimes, but now you're all right And it's good to see your smiling face tonight Now for you and me it may not be that hard to reach our dreams But that magic feeling never seems to last And while the future's there for anyone to change, still you know it seems It would be easier sometimes to change the past I'm just one or two years and a couple of changes behind you In my lessons at love's pain and heartache school Where if you feel too free and you need something to remind you There's this loneliness springing up from your life Like a fountain from a pool Fountain of sorrow, fountain of light You've known that hollow sound of your own steps in flight You've had to hide sometimes but now you're all right And it's good to see your smiling face tonight Fountain of sorrow, fountain of light You've known that hollow sound of your own steps in flight You've had to struggle, you've had to fight To keep understanding and compassion in sight You could be laughing at me, you've got the right But you go on smiling so clear and so bright ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2015 16:11:01 +0000 From: "Susan E. McNamara" Subject: RE: Fountain of Sorrow Hi Bob, I do remember the thread about this song a couple of weeks ago. I always liked this song a lot but never knew it was about Joni. Reading this post made me want to hear it again and I found a live version of it here with an interesting introduction by Jackson ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwngpzlN2_s Makes me think it certainly is about Joni! :-) Sue - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Robert Sartorius Sent: Friday, April 10, 2015 11:50 AM To: joni@smoe.org; onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: RE: Fountain of Sorrow I emailed this a couple of weeks ago, but I have no indication that it went through. So, I am sending it again (with apologies if this is duplicative) I was travelling, travelling, travelling on a not-so-lonely road to Margaritaville with my daughter and 8-month old grandson last month, listening to some CD's on "shuffle", when I was struck by the lyrics to Jackson Browne's "Fountain of Sorrow". I had heard the song many times before, but for some reason this listening kindled in me an epiphany of sorts - that it "must" have been written about Joni. When I got home a few days later, I googled it on Wikipedia, which reported that it was, indeed, generally attributed to being about Browne's brief affair with Joni circa 1972. However, when I re-visited the "Songs About Joni" section in JoniMitchell.com, I did not see it listed there. I would welcome Simon Montgomery's insights about this song - and, of course, any comments from other listers as well. Bobsart Jackson Browne - Fountain Of Sorrow - 1974 Looking through some photographs I found inside a drawer I was taken by a photograph of you There were one or two I know that you would have liked a little more But they didn't show your spirit quite as true You were turning 'round to see who was behind you And I took your childish laughter by surprise And at the moment that my camera happened to find you There was just a trace of sorrow in your eyes Now the things that I remember seem so distant and so small Though it hasn't really been that long a time What I was seeing wasn't what was happening at all Although for a while, our path did seem to climb When you see through love's illusions, there lies the danger And your perfect lover just looks like a perfect fool So you go running off in search of a perfect stranger While the loneliness seems to spring from your life Like a fountain from a pool Fountain of sorrow, fountain of light You've known that hollow sound of your own steps in flight You've had to hide sometimes, but now you're all right And it's good to see your smiling face tonight Now for you and me it may not be that hard to reach our dreams But that magic feeling never seems to last And while the future's there for anyone to change, still you know it seems It would be easier sometimes to change the past I'm just one or two years and a couple of changes behind you In my lessons at love's pain and heartache school Where if you feel too free and you need something to remind you There's this loneliness springing up from your life Like a fountain from a pool Fountain of sorrow, fountain of light You've known that hollow sound of your own steps in flight You've had to hide sometimes but now you're all right And it's good to see your smiling face tonight Fountain of sorrow, fountain of light You've known that hollow sound of your own steps in flight You've had to struggle, you've had to fight To keep understanding and compassion in sight You could be laughing at me, you've got the right But you go on smiling so clear and so bright ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2015 16:11:01 +0000 From: "Susan E. McNamara" Subject: RE: Fountain of Sorrow Hi Bob, I do remember the thread about this song a couple of weeks ago. I always liked this song a lot but never knew it was about Joni. Reading this post made me want to hear it again and I found a live version of it here with an interesting introduction by Jackson ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwngpzlN2_s Makes me think it certainly is about Joni! :-) Sue - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Robert Sartorius Sent: Friday, April 10, 2015 11:50 AM To: joni@smoe.org; onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: RE: Fountain of Sorrow I emailed this a couple of weeks ago, but I have no indication that it went through. So, I am sending it again (with apologies if this is duplicative) I was travelling, travelling, travelling on a not-so-lonely road to Margaritaville with my daughter and 8-month old grandson last month, listening to some CD's on "shuffle", when I was struck by the lyrics to Jackson Browne's "Fountain of Sorrow". I had heard the song many times before, but for some reason this listening kindled in me an epiphany of sorts - that it "must" have been written about Joni. When I got home a few days later, I googled it on Wikipedia, which reported that it was, indeed, generally attributed to being about Browne's brief affair with Joni circa 1972. However, when I re-visited the "Songs About Joni" section in JoniMitchell.com, I did not see it listed there. I would welcome Simon Montgomery's insights about this song - and, of course, any comments from other listers as well. Bobsart Jackson Browne - Fountain Of Sorrow - 1974 Looking through some photographs I found inside a drawer I was taken by a photograph of you There were one or two I know that you would have liked a little more But they didn't show your spirit quite as true You were turning 'round to see who was behind you And I took your childish laughter by surprise And at the moment that my camera happened to find you There was just a trace of sorrow in your eyes Now the things that I remember seem so distant and so small Though it hasn't really been that long a time What I was seeing wasn't what was happening at all Although for a while, our path did seem to climb When you see through love's illusions, there lies the danger And your perfect lover just looks like a perfect fool So you go running off in search of a perfect stranger While the loneliness seems to spring from your life Like a fountain from a pool Fountain of sorrow, fountain of light You've known that hollow sound of your own steps in flight You've had to hide sometimes, but now you're all right And it's good to see your smiling face tonight Now for you and me it may not be that hard to reach our dreams But that magic feeling never seems to last And while the future's there for anyone to change, still you know it seems It would be easier sometimes to change the past I'm just one or two years and a couple of changes behind you In my lessons at love's pain and heartache school Where if you feel too free and you need something to remind you There's this loneliness springing up from your life Like a fountain from a pool Fountain of sorrow, fountain of light You've known that hollow sound of your own steps in flight You've had to hide sometimes but now you're all right And it's good to see your smiling face tonight Fountain of sorrow, fountain of light You've known that hollow sound of your own steps in flight You've had to struggle, you've had to fight To keep understanding and compassion in sight You could be laughing at me, you've got the right But you go on smiling so clear and so bright ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2015 17:21:15 +0000 From: "Susan E. McNamara" Subject: RE: Fountain of Sorrow LOL!!! :-) - -----Original Message----- From: Robert Sartorius [mailto:bobsart48@aol.com] Sent: Friday, April 10, 2015 1:04 PM To: Susan E. McNamara; joni@smoe.org; onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: RE: Fountain of Sorrow Ah, yes, Sue. Based on the evidence presented by my expert witness, I rest my case. Bobsart - -----Original Message----- From: Susan E. McNamara [mailto:sem8@cornell.edu] Sent: Friday, April 10, 2015 12:11 PM To: Robert Sartorius; joni@smoe.org; onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: RE: Fountain of Sorrow Hi Bob, I do remember the thread about this song a couple of weeks ago. I always liked this song a lot but never knew it was about Joni. Reading this post made me want to hear it again and I found a live version of it here with an interesting introduction by Jackson ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwngpzlN2_s Makes me think it certainly is about Joni! :-) Sue - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Robert Sartorius Sent: Friday, April 10, 2015 11:50 AM To: joni@smoe.org; onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: RE: Fountain of Sorrow I emailed this a couple of weeks ago, but I have no indication that it went through. So, I am sending it again (with apologies if this is duplicative) I was travelling, travelling, travelling on a not-so-lonely road to Margaritaville with my daughter and 8-month old grandson last month, listening to some CD's on "shuffle", when I was struck by the lyrics to Jackson Browne's "Fountain of Sorrow". I had heard the song many times before, but for some reason this listening kindled in me an epiphany of sorts - that it "must" have been written about Joni. When I got home a few days later, I googled it on Wikipedia, which reported that it was, indeed, generally attributed to being about Browne's brief affair with Joni circa 1972. However, when I re-visited the "Songs About Joni" section in JoniMitchell.com, I did not see it listed there. I would welcome Simon Montgomery's insights about this song - and, of course, any comments from other listers as well. Bobsart Jackson Browne - Fountain Of Sorrow - 1974 Looking through some photographs I found inside a drawer I was taken by a photograph of you There were one or two I know that you would have liked a little more But they didn't show your spirit quite as true You were turning 'round to see who was behind you And I took your childish laughter by surprise And at the moment that my camera happened to find you There was just a trace of sorrow in your eyes Now the things that I remember seem so distant and so small Though it hasn't really been that long a time What I was seeing wasn't what was happening at all Although for a while, our path did seem to climb When you see through love's illusions, there lies the danger And your perfect lover just looks like a perfect fool So you go running off in search of a perfect stranger While the loneliness seems to spring from your life Like a fountain from a pool Fountain of sorrow, fountain of light You've known that hollow sound of your own steps in flight You've had to hide sometimes, but now you're all right And it's good to see your smiling face tonight Now for you and me it may not be that hard to reach our dreams But that magic feeling never seems to last And while the future's there for anyone to change, still you know it seems It would be easier sometimes to change the past I'm just one or two years and a couple of changes behind you In my lessons at love's pain and heartache school Where if you feel too free and you need something to remind you There's this loneliness springing up from your life Like a fountain from a pool Fountain of sorrow, fountain of light You've known that hollow sound of your own steps in flight You've had to hide sometimes but now you're all right And it's good to see your smiling face tonight Fountain of sorrow, fountain of light You've known that hollow sound of your own steps in flight You've had to struggle, you've had to fight To keep understanding and compassion in sight You could be laughing at me, you've got the right But you go on smiling so clear and so bright ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2015 17:21:15 +0000 From: "Susan E. McNamara" Subject: RE: Fountain of Sorrow LOL!!! :-) - -----Original Message----- From: Robert Sartorius [mailto:bobsart48@aol.com] Sent: Friday, April 10, 2015 1:04 PM To: Susan E. McNamara; joni@smoe.org; onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: RE: Fountain of Sorrow Ah, yes, Sue. Based on the evidence presented by my expert witness, I rest my case. Bobsart - -----Original Message----- From: Susan E. McNamara [mailto:sem8@cornell.edu] Sent: Friday, April 10, 2015 12:11 PM To: Robert Sartorius; joni@smoe.org; onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: RE: Fountain of Sorrow Hi Bob, I do remember the thread about this song a couple of weeks ago. I always liked this song a lot but never knew it was about Joni. Reading this post made me want to hear it again and I found a live version of it here with an interesting introduction by Jackson ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwngpzlN2_s Makes me think it certainly is about Joni! :-) Sue - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Robert Sartorius Sent: Friday, April 10, 2015 11:50 AM To: joni@smoe.org; onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: RE: Fountain of Sorrow I emailed this a couple of weeks ago, but I have no indication that it went through. So, I am sending it again (with apologies if this is duplicative) I was travelling, travelling, travelling on a not-so-lonely road to Margaritaville with my daughter and 8-month old grandson last month, listening to some CD's on "shuffle", when I was struck by the lyrics to Jackson Browne's "Fountain of Sorrow". I had heard the song many times before, but for some reason this listening kindled in me an epiphany of sorts - that it "must" have been written about Joni. When I got home a few days later, I googled it on Wikipedia, which reported that it was, indeed, generally attributed to being about Browne's brief affair with Joni circa 1972. However, when I re-visited the "Songs About Joni" section in JoniMitchell.com, I did not see it listed there. I would welcome Simon Montgomery's insights about this song - and, of course, any comments from other listers as well. Bobsart Jackson Browne - Fountain Of Sorrow - 1974 Looking through some photographs I found inside a drawer I was taken by a photograph of you There were one or two I know that you would have liked a little more But they didn't show your spirit quite as true You were turning 'round to see who was behind you And I took your childish laughter by surprise And at the moment that my camera happened to find you There was just a trace of sorrow in your eyes Now the things that I remember seem so distant and so small Though it hasn't really been that long a time What I was seeing wasn't what was happening at all Although for a while, our path did seem to climb When you see through love's illusions, there lies the danger And your perfect lover just looks like a perfect fool So you go running off in search of a perfect stranger While the loneliness seems to spring from your life Like a fountain from a pool Fountain of sorrow, fountain of light You've known that hollow sound of your own steps in flight You've had to hide sometimes, but now you're all right And it's good to see your smiling face tonight Now for you and me it may not be that hard to reach our dreams But that magic feeling never seems to last And while the future's there for anyone to change, still you know it seems It would be easier sometimes to change the past I'm just one or two years and a couple of changes behind you In my lessons at love's pain and heartache school Where if you feel too free and you need something to remind you There's this loneliness springing up from your life Like a fountain from a pool Fountain of sorrow, fountain of light You've known that hollow sound of your own steps in flight You've had to hide sometimes but now you're all right And it's good to see your smiling face tonight Fountain of sorrow, fountain of light You've known that hollow sound of your own steps in flight You've had to struggle, you've had to fight To keep understanding and compassion in sight You could be laughing at me, you've got the right But you go on smiling so clear and so bright ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2015 13:42:06 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: DJs on Joni I'm betting it was the 1969 Newport Festival, Steve. That's the main one in circulation, if memory serves. Is Joni folk? Yes. Is Joni jazz? Yes. Is Joni rock? Yes. The blending and categorization of Joni at her finest is described in this great review of Hejira I read just today: http://tinyurl.com/k7ck5kq Excerpt: "This bold, and brilliant album daringly re-contextualizes disparate elements - jazz, poetry, ambient, folk - in real time; the result is fusion not in the traditional sense, but more literally defined, perhaps closer to the way we might now apply the word to cuisine." Feel free to read ALL 19 album writeups. I did and agreed with about 90% of what the writer says. Bob NP: Tycho, "Daydream" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. 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