From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #572 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Website:http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe:mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Monday, April 6 2015 Volume 2014 : Number 572 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Free man in Paris - holycombe [Garret ] RE: conflicting stories ["Susan E. McNamara" ] Re: Free man in Paris - holycombe [Anita Gabrielle ] Re: Ignorance was bliss ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: Joni [Catherine McKay ] scholarly articles [Paul Ivice ] Re: Smoking?? [Anne Sandstrom ] Re: List pollution [Michael Paz ] Re: Ignorance was bliss [Lori Renee Fye ] Re: Ignorance was bliss [Lori Renee Fye ] List pollution [Steve Dulson ] Bela the Jack Russell [Anita Gabrielle ] Ignorance was bliss ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] scholarly articles [Paul Ivice ] Re: Books [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Books [Marion Leffler ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2015 11:57:21 +0100 From: Garret Subject: Re: Free man in Paris - holycombe Anita, thanks so much for reminding me of this. What a wonderful weekend. It is hard to believe that this was in 2008. That has really put a smile on my face this sunny morning. Garret On Sun, Apr 5, 2015 at 8:44 PM, Anita Gabrielle wrote: > Yes it was me tapping away on the djembe, sometimes almost in time. Was it > Robin or Bob shaking a gourd type thing? I just remember being blown away > by the thousand vocals and not a single wrong word in the lyric. > > And Barry C just lifts anything he ever blows on. What a musician he is. I > recall him singing "What's Going On" on your porch, Dave, last Summer and > then launching into an alto sax solo that left me agape. Incredible. > > In amongst this strange time, it is so wonderful to think of all the music > I have heard, all the people I have met and emailed during the past years, > all through the love of Joni's music. I feel so blessed. > > And Marianne, I look forward to hear of your dreaming, > Anita > > > > > On 5 Apr 2015, at 18:42, Dave Blackburn wrote: > > > > Marianne, thatb s Barry Cahill on flute, Ib m playing guitar and Anita > was on the drum as I recall. A cast of thousands on the vocals! > > > > > > > >> On Apr 5, 2015, at 10:28 AM, Marianne Rizzo > wrote: > >> > >> This is beautiful! > >> Thank you Anita and everyone there! > >> ( who was playing the flute?. . very nice) > >> All sounded so good! > >> > >> And thanks everybody for all your thoughts and feelings, at this time, > >> about joni. > >> I appreciate reading all your comments. > >> I was so happy to have a dream about her Saturday morning just before > waking. > >> I may post about that later. > >> Love Marianne > >> > >> > >> From: Anita G > >> Subject: Free Man In Paris = Holycombe Joni Fest 2008 > >> > >> Dear All > >> Following on from Dave and Robin's invitation to their place next > week-end > >> for a supportive day and sing song, earlier today I waxed lyrically and > >> fondly remembering the Holycombe Festival of 2008 when, one morning we > had > >> sing song and Dave went into 'Free Man In Paris'. > >> > >> I uploaded the recording to Hightail and perhaps this link can be copied > >> and pasted in to your browser. Doubtless Moni will tell me what's > wrong if > >> I haven't got it right if she's about today, but I hope this will work. > >> > >> https://www.hightail.com/download/UlRRZUNqY1NwaFJFQmRVag > >> < > https://www.hightail.com/download/UlRRZUNqY1NwaFJFQmRVag?cid=tx-020022073402 > >> 00000000&s=19102> > >> > >> > >> This will show folk what it's like to get along to a Joni Fest when > >> something impromptu, like this, can happen. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2015 18:08:29 +0000 From: "Susan E. McNamara" Subject: RE: conflicting stories Thanks Mary! I love these older songs! I have a new blog called The Wanderer where I recently posted a great video of all her performances on "Let's Sing Out" between 1965 and 1966. In the earliest performances she is Joan Anderson ... these videos are priceless in my opinion: http://thewandererjonimitchell.blogspot.com/2015/03/early-joni-mitchell-performances-on.html - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of mep chorus.net Sent: Monday, April 06, 2015 1:44 PM To: joni@smoe.org Cc: Susan E. McNamara Subject: Re: conflicting stories Sue McNamara posted, among other things: "So I guess the bottom line is, as a person on my own journey, who has struggled with loss, ego, failure, illness and wake up every day trying to move forward, I continue to see her as a role model, and another human, who will laugh and cry, and someday die, just like me. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCLOMBbRVB0" Sue, thanks so much for the link to this wonderful song, which, to the best of my knowledge, I'd never heard before! I *love* Joni's voice from this era, several years before Songs to a Seagull/Joni Mitchell was released, and definitely before the "helium-voice" phase, which often seemed to me like an affectation that Joni thankfully grew out of Her voice here is strong, supple, and so very versatile. But I also caught the line that you quoted, and that I'm sure was your reason for posting this now. Yes, Joni will someday die--hopefully, not for many years!--and so will we all. And yes, I selfishly wish we had more information about her current condition. But as you and so many others her have beautifully put it, maybe it's enough to celebrate our common humanity, which Joni captured so well, and to be grateful for the great gift of herself that she gave us for so many years . . . and is still giving. And I am. Mary. P.S. When Joni gave this performance, she was all of 22. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2015 12:07:37 +0100 From: Anita Gabrielle Subject: Re: Free man in Paris - holycombe Wasn't it something, Garret? Gratitude to Lu for making it happen. I think it was 2008, but I might be wrong. I fondly remember you treating us to the Fields of Athlone was it? That's why I encourage anyone who can to get along to a Joni Fest or a min fest to do so. What fantastic times we have shared and it does do so much to help that sense of isolation I know I felt and that Linda Grant (of the Guardian article ) implies. It ain't so lonely when thirty strangers burst into "Free Man In Paris" or whatever else, word perfect and in great harmony! Anita > On 6 Apr 2015, at 11:57, Garret wrote: > > Anita, thanks so much for reminding me of this. What a wonderful weekend. It is hard to believe that this was in 2008. That has really put a smile on my face this sunny morning. > Garret > >> On Sun, Apr 5, 2015 at 8:44 PM, Anita Gabrielle wrote: >> Yes it was me tapping away on the djembe, sometimes almost in time. Was it Robin or Bob shaking a gourd type thing? I just remember being blown away by the thousand vocals and not a single wrong word in the lyric. >> >> And Barry C just lifts anything he ever blows on. What a musician he is. I recall him singing "What's Going On" on your porch, Dave, last Summer and then launching into an alto sax solo that left me agape. Incredible. >> >> In amongst this strange time, it is so wonderful to think of all the music I have heard, all the people I have met and emailed during the past years, all through the love of Joni's music. I feel so blessed. >> >> And Marianne, I look forward to hear of your dreaming, >> Anita >> >> >> >> > On 5 Apr 2015, at 18:42, Dave Blackburn wrote: >> > >> > Marianne, thatb s Barry Cahill on flute, Ib m playing guitar and Anita was on the drum as I recall. A cast of thousands on the vocals! >> > >> > >> > >> >> On Apr 5, 2015, at 10:28 AM, Marianne Rizzo wrote: >> >> >> >> This is beautiful! >> >> Thank you Anita and everyone there! >> >> ( who was playing the flute?. . very nice) >> >> All sounded so good! >> >> >> >> And thanks everybody for all your thoughts and feelings, at this time, >> >> about joni. >> >> I appreciate reading all your comments. >> >> I was so happy to have a dream about her Saturday morning just before waking. >> >> I may post about that later. >> >> Love Marianne >> >> >> >> >> >> From: Anita G >> >> Subject: Free Man In Paris = Holycombe Joni Fest 2008 >> >> >> >> Dear All >> >> Following on from Dave and Robin's invitation to their place next week-end >> >> for a supportive day and sing song, earlier today I waxed lyrically and >> >> fondly remembering the Holycombe Festival of 2008 when, one morning we had >> >> sing song and Dave went into 'Free Man In Paris'. >> >> >> >> I uploaded the recording to Hightail and perhaps this link can be copied >> >> and pasted in to your browser. Doubtless Moni will tell me what's wrong if >> >> I haven't got it right if she's about today, but I hope this will work. >> >> >> >> https://www.hightail.com/download/UlRRZUNqY1NwaFJFQmRVag >> >> > >> 00000000&s=19102> >> >> >> >> >> >> This will show folk what it's like to get along to a Joni Fest when >> >> something impromptu, like this, can happen. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2015 05:51:45 -0700 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Joni I wrote this last Thursday and it never showed up in my inbox. It seems that some of my emails to the JMDL do and some donbt. Whatbs up with that? Anyway, I began thinking it was self-indulgent and decided not to try and send it again. In light of some other peoplebs emails about their feelings, I changed my mind. Ibm sure the formatting will be all screwed up, though. I haven't been reading much on the bus ride home. I find myself falling asleep. The years are beginning to tell on me I guess. Tonight I was particularly tired and didn't even bother to get the book out of my backpack. I decided I'd listen to some music and drift off. I look through what I had uploaded to my phone and found 'Song To A Seagull'. I had snuck a peek at CNN's website earlier in the day just in case there was an update. I saw the news about the sickening attack in Kenya but nothing new about Joni. We had had unstable weather yesterday and it was hailing as I walked out the door of my workplace to catch the bus home. I put up my umbrella which I rarely do as it doesn't often rain hard enough here to merit it and the wind can play havoc with my bumbershoot. Fairly dry when I got off the bus but the weather must have made me think of 'Michael From Mountains' because that was the song I sang to myself walking home. Tonight as I became lost in the beauty of the guitar that speaks as eloquently as the voice on 'Song To A Seagull' and 'Michael From Mountains' started to play, the line 'someday I may know you very well' struck me in a way it never had before. Lately I've been wondering, do I really love somebody I've never met? Would I want to know this person, even though her art had spoken to me so deeply for so many years? And I have to confess I had begun to think I would never know her well enough to even dare to write one word about her. I began to picture Joni lying in a bed with her eyes closed as the song ended 'someday I will know you very well'. Then came 'Night in the City' and I began to try to send a mental message to her, 'light up your lazy blue eyes'. I wanted to entice her to 'take off your stay at home shoes' and to follow me down the 'stairway, stairway down to the crowds in the street' where we would 'run on laughing'. Finally I wanted to tell her that all of us are 'always there...waiting with a candle in the window'. So I concluded that, even though I have never met her and even though I may never know her very well, I do, indeed, love Joni Mitchell. Not just her music, not just her art, not just her genius. Joni herself. The music, the art, the evidence of the genius will always be there. But I know I would feel a deep loss and an empty place in my life if she herself were not there, either in her home in Bel Air or her sanctuary in British Columbia or wherever she happens to be. So please get well, Joni. There are so many of us that do care and do love you. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2015 00:00:26 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Ignorance was bliss Lori, those are diversions. I'm saying that we don't have answers to the questions I asked earlier and have no way to resolve them. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2015 14:14:05 +0000 (UTC) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni I didn't get Mark's original post either. I even checked my spam folder, but nope. Sometimes these things show up several days later. Goodness knows where they wander in the meantime. But, I am glad you re-sent it, Mark! From: Anita Gabrielle To: Mark Scott Cc: Joni List Sent: Monday, April 6, 2015 9:59 AM Subject: Re: Joni Mark, I keep finding lots of JMDL posts in different boxes on my iPad. I probably have given some message to it somewhere and it filters them all over the place. Then I get someone replying to a message and I realise that the original post is somewhere else. As for this post of yours, whatever happened, I sure missed it. You capture wonderfully the dilemma of the 'love' for the art and the 'love' for the artist. I know my iPad filtered your post out or it didn't arrive. I wouldn't have forgotten something so beautifully written and heart felt, Anita xx ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2015 20:56:33 -0400 From: Paul Ivice Subject: scholarly articles I too noticed the writer's complaint that there were no scholarly articles, symposia and so on about Joni's creative output. I guess she hasn't researched all that very well. But I think she was writing from the heart, the gut, whatever you want to call it. Many of us have felt that sense of being alone as Joniphiles... until we found this 'ere place. I think the writer was implying, and probably accurately, not that there are no such articles, but that the number and expanse of such articles and symposia pales in comparison to those about the works of Dylan, the Grateful Dead and others. And while Joni has her devoted fans and admirers, they are fewer in number that the fans of those aforementioned. Paul Ivice ;>) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2015 17:10:40 -0400 From: Anne Sandstrom Subject: Re: Smoking?? Because people in intensive care often have oxygen, I'm sure smoking is not allowed. I thought of that, only because my father was quite a grouch when he was in the hospital and wasn't allowed to smoke. Lots of love, Anne Sent from my iPad > On Apr 5, 2015, at 1:04 PM, Gerald Kent wrote: > > It's been several days now. I wonder if Joni has wanted to/been allowed to/been well enough to smoke. It's such a part of her life. Any thoughts? > > Sent from my iPad ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2015 11:32:46 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: List pollution WHO you calling OLD then buddy??? On Apr 6, 2015, at 11:07 AM, Steve Dulson wrote: Thank you Jamie and Laura for bringing this up. There are some newbies on the list who maybe don't realize that if they hit "reply" to a digest, there reply includes the WHOLE digest. And sometimes very interesting posts get buried in the endless repeats. Actually, there are a couple of old-timers on the list whom I love dearly who do this too... :)No names - yet! > Please, try not to repeat whole posts in list after list even if it is Joni > related. > I'm asking because with repeated posts, articles, or whole digests inside of > digests it makes it very hard sometimes to find the new content when scrolling > through lengthy old content. *************************************************** Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA tinkersown@ca.rr.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2015 22:18:00 -0600 From: Lori Renee Fye Subject: Re: Ignorance was bliss > The simple truth is, that it's not all about us. When you let that sink in, it makes it a little easier to let it go. "LIKE." :-) Thanks, Victor. Lori Caldwell, Idaho ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2015 21:22:24 -0600 From: Lori Renee Fye Subject: Re: Ignorance was bliss > The news raised stress but now we've no avenue to resolve that stress. Of course we do. There are hundreds of avenues. Take a walk, take a drive, take a ride, drink a toast to everything Joni has given the world and then have another round for these freaks and these soldiers, a round for these friends of mine and yours and Joni's, and another round for the bright red devil if it suits you. Everything is temporary. Everything is an illusion. Joni knows that; so should we. Lori Caldwell, Idaho ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2015 12:07:20 -0400 From: Steve Dulson Subject: List pollution Thank you Jamie and Laura for bringing this up. There are some newbies on the list who maybe don't realize that if they hit "reply" to a digest, there reply includes the WHOLE digest. And sometimes very interesting posts get buried in the endless repeats. Actually, there are a couple of old-timers on the list whom I love dearly who do this too... :)No names - yet! >Please, try not to repeat whole posts in list after list even if it is Joni >related. >I'm asking because with repeated posts, articles, or whole digests inside of >digests it makes it very hard sometimes to find the new content when scrolling >through lengthy old content. *************************************************** Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA tinkersown@ca.rr.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2015 19:31:52 +0100 From: Anita Gabrielle Subject: Bela the Jack Russell I have had my sister in law staying over Easter and we have enjoyed wonderful walks with her dog, a fabulous working cocker spaniel, Jasper. I suddenly wondered who was looking after Joni's dog, Bela. I fondly remember watching Bela whizzing all over the place at Ruby Lake and, somewhat naughtily it has to be said, being into everything. I assume Bela travels down to LA from BC when Joni migrates? I have never had a dog, but I absolutely love Jasper. His beautiful eyes and complete adoration of a ball are heart warming. Simple things can lead to such great joy, Anita ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Apr 2015 22:57:34 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Ignorance was bliss In the olde days, before paparazzi and before 911 calls were made public, fans often didn't know when a celebrity was in an ambulance. Maybe we were better off. This year, TMZ gave us a glimpse that we were not really entitled to. The news raised stress but now we've no avenue to resolve that stress. There might have been a dozen health scares in the past, but we were oblivious, and stress-free. Ignorance was bliss. Thinking aloud, Jim L'Hommedieu ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2015 20:56:33 -0400 From: Paul Ivice Subject: scholarly articles I too noticed the writer's complaint that there were no scholarly articles, symposia and so on about Joni's creative output. I guess she hasn't researched all that very well. But I think she was writing from the heart, the gut, whatever you want to call it. Many of us have felt that sense of being alone as Joniphiles... until we found this 'ere place. I think the writer was implying, and probably accurately, not that there are no such articles, but that the number and expanse of such articles and symposia pales in comparison to those about the works of Dylan, the Grateful Dead and others. And while Joni has her devoted fans and admirers, they are fewer in number that the fans of those aforementioned. Paul Ivice ;>) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2015 14:51:16 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Books Becky, My recommendations would be "Shadows & Light" by Karen O'Brien and/or "Girls Like Us" by Sheila Weller. The latter combines the stories of Carly Simon and Carole King, well-written but not (for me) as captivating as Joni's story. The book is divided such that you can read only the Joni stuff. That's what I did first, then went back and read it cover to cover. Over and above these, Malka's fairly recent book "Joni Mitchell - In Her Own Words" is excellent and authentic as it's in Joni's words. Michelle Mercer's "Will You Take Me As I Am" is also a great read about a specific period. They're not biographies per se but great reads all the same. Bob NP: Kendrick Lamar, "Alright" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any and all computers and other devices. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2015 22:27:43 +0200 From: Marion Leffler Subject: Re: Books A word of caution about Sheila Weller's book though. It's rather gossipy. Sources are often defined as 'a close friend'. You are supposed to take the author's word for most of the information offered. med vC$nlig hC$lsning Den 6 apr 2015 22:11 skrev "Anita Gabrielle" : > Hi Becky > There is also Katherine Monk's book about Joni's Creative Odyssey which > comes at Joni in a personal and interesting way, which I recently read and > enjoyed, > Anita > > > > > On 6 Apr 2015, at 19:51, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: > > > > Becky, > > > > My recommendations would be "Shadows & Light" by Karen O'Brien and/or > > "Girls Like Us" by Sheila Weller. The latter combines the stories of > Carly > > Simon and Carole King, well-written but not (for me) as captivating as > > Joni's story. The book is divided such that you can read only the Joni > > stuff. That's what I did first, then went back and read it cover to > cover. > > > > > > Over and above these, Malka's fairly recent book "Joni Mitchell - In Her > > Own Words" is excellent and authentic as it's in Joni's words. Michelle > > Mercer's "Will You Take Me As I Am" is also a great read about a specific > > period. They're not biographies per se but great reads all the same. > > > > Bob > > > > NP: Kendrick Lamar, "Alright" > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > The information transmitted is intended only for the person > > or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > > proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. > > If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are > > hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, > > distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon > > this message is prohibited. 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