From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #552 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Website:http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe:mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, March 18 2015 Volume 2014 : Number 552 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #1901 [Laurie Antonioli ] Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #1901 ["Susan E. McNamara" ] =?windows-1252?Q?Hey_=85_wait_a_minute?= [Lindsay Moon ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2015 03:38:55 -0700 From: Laurie Antonioli Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #1901 Re: Both Sides Now Honestly, it wasn't until we got in the studio (I was never really attracted to the tune) and had a chance to sing it slow, and take time with the lyric, that I realized what complete genius the song is - appearing simple - and if not done properly, disguised as possibly trite - especially with some of the earlier versions. Joni's later version struck me deeply and then became like Billie Holiday's "Good Morning Heartache" - that is Billie's song and I never touched it because of that. Both Sides Now, after Joni sang it with the orchestra, became hers alone, even with it being the most covered song in her repertoire. The same thing happened recently with the song "Over the Rainbow" by Harold Arlen/E.Y. Harburg. Where the lyric, one I'd heard so many times, struck me deeply. I "got" it and only because I was almost forced into exploring the song as a last minute suggestion. Both times, in the studio, without rehearsals, improvised as ballads. This causes me to believe or understand how easy it is to take some things for granted. Songs. People, even. Without careful investigation we can miss stuff - things can be right in front of us without seeing or hearing it. I know now that BSN is for sure one of the masterpieces of our generation. Laurie On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 12:00 AM, JMDL Digest wrote: > > JMDL Digest Tuesday, March 17 2015 Volume 2014 : Number > 1901 > > > > ========== > > TOPICS and authors in this Digest: > -------- > Re: Iron Eyes Cody [Jamie Zubairi home < > jamiezubairi@gmail.com>] > Late Joni as folk [Jeff Clark < > clarkjeff440@ymail.com>] > "Both Sides Now", was Re Live Joni ["Jim L'Hommedieu" > Re: "Both Sides Now", was Re Live Joni > [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2015 11:17:21 +0000 > From: Jamie Zubairi home > Subject: Re: Iron Eyes Cody > > I think Joni mentions it in one of the notes she gives about recording > Lakota > > Jamie Zubairi > Actor, Artist, Voiceover, Photographer > On 15 Mar 2015 18:19, "Kathy Johnson" wrote: > > > Is this common knowledge that I'm only coming to now? "Cody, who claimed > > to be a Cherokee or Cree but was really a Sicilian ... ." -from The > > Inconvenient Indian, by Thomas King Kate of the North Stubblejumpin'Gal > > http://goldengrainfarm.blogspot.com > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2015 19:13:33 +0000 (UTC) > From: Jeff Clark > Subject: Late Joni as folk > > Dave wrote: > < verse form of songs like Hejira, Amelia, Come in from the Cold. TheyB > remind me of, for example, Matty Groves and similar things from FairportB > Convention and Steeleye Span.>> > I quite like this folk form. Amelia has always reminded me of Poe's The > Raven > with that haunting refrain, "Amelia, it was just a false alarm", "Quoth the > raven, nevermore". I've had Fairports version of Dylans "Percy's Song" on > my > mind for two weeks now. Love that song. B I'll have to check out Matty > Groves. > Some day I'd like to hear Marianne Faithfull's "Amelia". She reminds me of > Joni in that her signature song, "As Tears Go By" was sung and written when > she was a beautiful, young girl, though it fits an older person singing it, > like Joni with BSN. Hey Bob M., if you're reading, you probably know Dylan > is > going to be in Greenville soon. Are you going to hear him belt out his > Sinatra > songs? Since its the "Never Ending Tour" there shouldn't be any hurry to > see > him, you have forever!Jeff > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2015 15:10:36 -0400 > From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" > Subject: "Both Sides Now", was Re Live Joni > > Yeah, in that song, she explains the entire mystery of Life in 3 minutes. > It's incredibly ambitious. Only deep thinkers "get" it. > The song "Hejira" is like that too- so deep. (Or is it superficial, > between the forceps and the stone?) > > To the casual listener, "Both Sides Now" is a sentimental "woman's song" > where she almost rhymes moon and June. (rows and flows). > > > > Yes, immensely complicated. That's why most don't get it and yet, but > it's also why we still listen, after all this time. That duality thing > cuts both ways. > > Jim > ps, "Both Sides Now" is so complicated, it had 3 titles that I know of. > (And you know, there may be more.) > > > From: Jeff Clark > >Its funny about that song. Her first really big song and its usually > included > as the last song on her various compilations. Its like the alpha and omega > of > Joni songs. Judy Collins thinks its one of the most perfect songs ever > written, lots of people do, and I do too. Yet I can see how it could be > anti-climatic. I remember a time at work some years back, a co-worker and I > talking about music and I mentioned Joni as my boss was walking by and she > said, "is she the one that sang rows and flows of angel hair?" I didn't > feel > it appropriate at the time to give a 10 minute "mini lesson" on who Joni > *really* is despite the slight condescending vibe I picked up. I remember > when > Hits and Misses came out. It seemed cooler to prefer the "misses" over the > "hits", kind of like preferring Lennon over McCartney. I always stuck up > for > McCartney. I know Joni has said she has written many songs that she is much > more proud of, yet BSN in a way I think will always be her signature song, > even though Judy Collins took it over. Everything about Joni is > complicated.Jeff<> > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2015 07:40:14 -0400 > From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com > Subject: Re: "Both Sides Now", was Re Live Joni > > ps, "Both Sides Now" is so complicated, it had 3 titles that I know of. > (And you know, there may be more.)> > > Particularly if you're counting titles in non-English languages. Then > you're up to a couple dozen. > > Bob > > NP: Courtney Barnett, "Out Of The Woodwork" > - ------------------------------------------------------------ > The information transmitted is intended only for the person > or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. > If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are > hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, > distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon > this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please > contact the sender and delete the material from any and all > computers and other devices. > > Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual > sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. > - ------------------------------------------------------------ > > ------------------------------ > > End of JMDL Digest V2014 #1901 > ****************************** > > ------- > To post messages to the list,sendtojoni@smoe.org. > Unsubscribe by clicking here: > mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe > ------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2015 11:36:36 +0000 From: "Susan E. McNamara" Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #1901 Thanks Laurie, I agree. The other point I wanted to make about this song is that although Joni wrote it at a very young age, she had lived through some pretty traumatic experiences and was also quite talented as a poet (having been recognized by her 7th grade teacher as a good writer). I think her talent plus her experience brought so much real life honesty to this song. Some of the lines like 3you leave them laughing when you go2 and 3they shake their heads, they say I9ve changed2 takes a lot of courage to feel and to admit. She continued to be faithful to this honesty throughout her career, but Both Sides Now will always be one of the best songs she9s ever written. Simple but not on guitar as usual, too. :-) Sue On 3/17/15, 6:38 AM, "Laurie Antonioli" wrote: >Re: Both Sides Now > >Honestly, it wasn't until we got in the studio (I was never really >attracted to the tune) and had a chance to sing it slow, and take time >with >the lyric, that I realized what complete genius the song is - appearing >simple - and if not done properly, disguised as possibly trite - >especially >with some of the earlier versions. Joni's later version struck me deeply >and then became like Billie Holiday's "Good Morning Heartache" - that is >Billie's song and I never touched it because of that. Both Sides Now, >after Joni sang it with the orchestra, became hers alone, even with it >being the most covered song in her repertoire. > >The same thing happened recently with the song "Over the Rainbow" by >Harold >Arlen/E.Y. Harburg. Where the lyric, one I'd heard so many times, struck >me deeply. I "got" it and only because I was almost forced into exploring >the song as a last minute suggestion. Both times, in the studio, without >rehearsals, improvised as ballads. > >This causes me to believe or understand how easy it is to take some things >for granted. Songs. People, even. Without careful investigation we can >miss stuff - things can be right in front of us without seeing or hearing >it. I know now that BSN is for sure one of the masterpieces of our >generation. > >Laurie > >On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 12:00 AM, JMDL Digest >wrote: > >> >> JMDL Digest Tuesday, March 17 2015 Volume 2014 : Number >> 1901 >> >> >> >> ========== >> >> TOPICS and authors in this Digest: >> -------- >> Re: Iron Eyes Cody [Jamie Zubairi home < >> jamiezubairi@gmail.com>] >> Late Joni as folk [Jeff Clark < >> clarkjeff440@ymail.com>] >> "Both Sides Now", was Re Live Joni ["Jim L'Hommedieu" >> > Re: "Both Sides Now", was Re Live Joni >> [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2015 11:17:21 +0000 >> From: Jamie Zubairi home >> Subject: Re: Iron Eyes Cody >> >> I think Joni mentions it in one of the notes she gives about recording >> Lakota >> >> Jamie Zubairi >> Actor, Artist, Voiceover, Photographer >> On 15 Mar 2015 18:19, "Kathy Johnson" wrote: >> >> > Is this common knowledge that I'm only coming to now? "Cody, who >>claimed >> > to be a Cherokee or Cree but was really a Sicilian ... ." -from The >> > Inconvenient Indian, by Thomas King Kate of the North >>Stubblejumpin'Gal >> > http://goldengrainfarm.blogspot.com >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2015 19:13:33 +0000 (UTC) >> From: Jeff Clark >> Subject: Late Joni as folk >> >> Dave wrote: >> <> verse form of songs like Hejira, Amelia, Come in from the Cold. TheyB >> remind me of, for example, Matty Groves and similar things from >>FairportB >> Convention and Steeleye Span.>> >> I quite like this folk form. Amelia has always reminded me of Poe's The >> Raven >> with that haunting refrain, "Amelia, it was just a false alarm", "Quoth >>the >> raven, nevermore". I've had Fairports version of Dylans "Percy's Song" >>on >> my >> mind for two weeks now. Love that song. B I'll have to check out Matty >> Groves. >> Some day I'd like to hear Marianne Faithfull's "Amelia". She reminds me >>of >> Joni in that her signature song, "As Tears Go By" was sung and written >>when >> she was a beautiful, young girl, though it fits an older person singing >>it, >> like Joni with BSN. Hey Bob M., if you're reading, you probably know >>Dylan >> is >> going to be in Greenville soon. Are you going to hear him belt out his >> Sinatra >> songs? Since its the "Never Ending Tour" there shouldn't be any hurry to >> see >> him, you have forever!Jeff >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2015 15:10:36 -0400 >> From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" >> Subject: "Both Sides Now", was Re Live Joni >> >> Yeah, in that song, she explains the entire mystery of Life in 3 >>minutes. >> It's incredibly ambitious. Only deep thinkers "get" it. >> The song "Hejira" is like that too- so deep. (Or is it superficial, >> between the forceps and the stone?) >> >> To the casual listener, "Both Sides Now" is a sentimental "woman's song" >> where she almost rhymes moon and June. (rows and flows). >> >> >> >> Yes, immensely complicated. That's why most don't get it and yet, but >> it's also why we still listen, after all this time. That duality thing >> cuts both ways. >> >> Jim >> ps, "Both Sides Now" is so complicated, it had 3 titles that I know of. >> (And you know, there may be more.) >> >> >> From: Jeff Clark >> >Its funny about that song. Her first really big song and its usually >> included >> as the last song on her various compilations. Its like the alpha and >>omega >> of >> Joni songs. Judy Collins thinks its one of the most perfect songs ever >> written, lots of people do, and I do too. Yet I can see how it could be >> anti-climatic. I remember a time at work some years back, a co-worker >>and I >> talking about music and I mentioned Joni as my boss was walking by and >>she >> said, "is she the one that sang rows and flows of angel hair?" I didn't >> feel >> it appropriate at the time to give a 10 minute "mini lesson" on who Joni >> *really* is despite the slight condescending vibe I picked up. I >>remember >> when >> Hits and Misses came out. It seemed cooler to prefer the "misses" over >>the >> "hits", kind of like preferring Lennon over McCartney. I always stuck up >> for >> McCartney. I know Joni has said she has written many songs that she is >>much >> more proud of, yet BSN in a way I think will always be her signature >>song, >> even though Judy Collins took it over. Everything about Joni is >> complicated.Jeff<> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2015 07:40:14 -0400 >> From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com >> Subject: Re: "Both Sides Now", was Re Live Joni >> >> ps, "Both Sides Now" is so complicated, it had 3 titles that I know of. >> (And you know, there may be more.)> >> >> Particularly if you're counting titles in non-English languages. Then >> you're up to a couple dozen. >> >> Bob >> >> NP: Courtney Barnett, "Out Of The Woodwork" >> - ------------------------------------------------------------ >> The information transmitted is intended only for the person >> or entity to which it is addressed and may contain >> proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. >> If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are >> hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, >> distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon >> this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please >> contact the sender and delete the material from any and all >> computers and other devices. >> >> Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual >> sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. >> - ------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> End of JMDL Digest V2014 #1901 >> ****************************** >> >> ------- >> To post messages to the list,sendtojoni@smoe.org. >> Unsubscribe by clicking here: >> mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe >> ------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2015 11:51:59 -0700 From: Lindsay Moon Subject: =?windows-1252?Q?Hey_=85_wait_a_minute?= Nina McLaughlin, The Making of a Carpenter -- My sister's friend's daughter wrote this book (about leaving an unsatisfying job and learning carpentry) and just had a book signing. In reading an interview with her, I found this passage which sounds very similar to what Joni talks about when switching back and forth between music and painting. NM: What Ive found: after a stretch of writing, I get antsy to get out of my head and back to the satisfaction  physical and mental  of building. I get antsy to leave the screen, leave my apartment, joke with Mary, use tools, forget about words. And the same is true in the opposite way  after a bit of time goes by (usually a matter of about three days) where I havent written, I start to feel an itching in my head, and all I want is for some time putting sentences together. It feels a little like a hunger. A deep need. And it can be satisfied by writing a blog post or a book review. The best days usually involve some combination of the two. Theres something about putting your brain where you hands are that frees up the word-centers of the mind, maybe a bit like meditating. It could be knitting or cooking or playing guitar or drawing or whatever. Letting that part of the brain go quiet allows things to cook in there without the grinding at the desk and the deliberate footfalls of one word after the next. Bodywise and brainwise, I feel so lucky to have these two pursuits in combination. Yay, Nina! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2015 12:38:52 -0700 From: Mary Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2014 #1902 Lindsay, thank you for this passage. It is very meaningful. I like the juggling of sensory skills. GREETINGS FROM THE TRIPLE M Down a gravel road, where the barb wire meets the sky. MARY M. MORRIS > Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2015 15:08:46 -0400 > From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org > To: joni-digest@smoe.org > Subject: JMDL Digest V2014 #1902 > > > JMDL Digest Tuesday, March 17 2015 Volume 2014 : Number 1902 > > > > ========== > > TOPICS and authors in this Digest: > -------- > =?windows-1252?Q?Hey_=85_wait_a_minute?= [Lindsay Moon > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2015 11:51:59 -0700 > From: Lindsay Moon > Subject: =?windows-1252?Q?Hey_=85_wait_a_minute?= > > Nina McLaughlin, The Making of a Carpenter -- My sister's friend's daughter > wrote this book (about leaving an unsatisfying job and learning carpentry) and > just had a book signing. In reading an interview with her, I found this > passage which sounds very similar to what Joni talks about when switching back > and forth between music and painting. > > NM: What Ive found: after a stretch of writing, I get antsy to get out of my > head and back to the satisfaction  physical and mental  of building. I get > antsy to leave the screen, leave my apartment, joke with Mary, use tools, > forget about words. > And the same is true in the opposite way  after a bit of time goes by > (usually a matter of about three days) where I havent written, I start to > feel an itching in my head, and all I want is for some time putting sentences > together. It feels a little like a hunger. A deep need. And it can be > satisfied by writing a blog post or a book review. The best days usually > involve some combination of the two. > Theres something about putting your brain where you hands are that frees up > the word-centers of the mind, maybe a bit like meditating. It could be > knitting or cooking or playing guitar or drawing or whatever. Letting that > part of the brain go quiet allows things to cook in there without the grinding > at the desk and the deliberate footfalls of one word after the next. Bodywise > and brainwise, I feel so lucky to have these two pursuits in combination. > Yay, Nina! > > ------------------------------ > > End of JMDL Digest V2014 #1902 > ****************************** > > ------- > To post messages to the list,sendtojoni@smoe.org. > Unsubscribe by clicking here: > mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe > ------- ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #552 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here:mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe