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onlyJMDL Digest        Monday, March 16 2015        Volume 2014 : Number 550



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TOPICS and authors in this Digest:
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  Re Live Joni                          [Jeff Clark <clarkjeff440@ymail.com>]
  Iron Eyes Cody                       [Kathy Johnson <twoshoes@yourlink.ca>]
  "Both Sides Now", was Re Live Joni  ["Jim L'Hommedieu" <jlhommedieu@insigh]
  Late Joni as folk                     [Jeff Clark <clarkjeff440@ymail.com>]

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Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2015 17:49:32 +0000 (UTC)
From: Jeff Clark <clarkjeff440@ymail.com>
Subject: Re Live Joni

Jim wrote:
<<Then she flipped though her song book (where every page has a vinyl
protector) and came up with the predicable first-timer choice, "Both Sides
Now".B  So, the ending is a bit anti-climatic.B  :)>>

Its funny about that song. Her first really big song and its usually included
as the last song on her various compilations. Its like the alpha and omega of
Joni songs. Judy Collins thinks its one of the most perfect songs ever
written, lots of people do, and I do too. Yet I can see how it could be
anti-climatic. I remember a time at work some years back, a co-worker and I
talking about music and I mentioned Joni as my boss was walking by and she
said, "is she the one that sang rows and flows of angel hair?" I didn't feel
it appropriate at the time to give a 10 minute "mini lesson" on who Joni
*really* is despite the slight condescending vibe I picked up. I remember when
Hits and Misses came out. It seemed cooler to prefer the "misses" over the
"hits", kind of like preferring Lennon over McCartney. I always stuck up for
McCartney. I know Joni has said she has written many songs that she is much
more proud of, yet BSN in a way I think will always be her signature song,
even though Judy Collins took it over. Everything about Joni is
complicated.Jeff

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Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2015 11:59:16 -0600
From: Kathy Johnson <twoshoes@yourlink.ca>
Subject: Iron Eyes Cody

Is this common knowledge that I'm only coming to now?

"Cody, who claimed to be a Cherokee or Cree but was really a Sicilian ... ."

- -from The Inconvenient Indian, by Thomas King

Kate of the North

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Stubblejumpin'Gal
http://goldengrainfarm.blogspot.com

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Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2015 15:10:36 -0400
From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" <jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com>
Subject: "Both Sides Now", was Re Live Joni

Yeah, in that song, she explains the entire mystery of Life in 3 minutes.  It's incredibly ambitious.  Only deep thinkers "get" it.
The song "Hejira" is like that too- so deep.  (Or is it superficial, between the forceps and the stone?)

To the casual listener, "Both Sides Now" is a sentimental "woman's song" where she almost rhymes moon and June.  (rows and flows).

<Everything about Joni is complicated.>

Yes, immensely complicated.  That's why most don't get it and yet, but it's also why we still listen, after all this time.  That duality thing cuts both ways.

Jim
ps, "Both Sides Now" is so complicated, it had 3 titles that I know of.  (And you know, there may be more.)

  
From: Jeff Clark<clarkjeff440@ymail.com>
>Its funny about that song. Her first really big song and its usually included
as the last song on her various compilations. Its like the alpha and omega of
Joni songs. Judy Collins thinks its one of the most perfect songs ever
written, lots of people do, and I do too. Yet I can see how it could be
anti-climatic. I remember a time at work some years back, a co-worker and I
talking about music and I mentioned Joni as my boss was walking by and she
said, "is she the one that sang rows and flows of angel hair?" I didn't feel
it appropriate at the time to give a 10 minute "mini lesson" on who Joni
*really*  is despite the slight condescending vibe I picked up. I remember when
Hits and Misses came out. It seemed cooler to prefer the "misses" over the
"hits", kind of like preferring Lennon over McCartney. I always stuck up for
McCartney. I know Joni has said she has written many songs that she is much
more proud of, yet BSN in a way I think will always be her signature song,
even though Judy Collins took it over. Everything about Joni is
complicated.Jeff<>

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Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2015 19:13:33 +0000 (UTC)
From: Jeff Clark <clarkjeff440@ymail.com>
Subject: Late Joni as folk

Dave wrote:
<<I think there's something very folky in the verse after verse afterB 
verse form of songs like Hejira, Amelia, Come in from the Cold. TheyB 
remind me of, for example, Matty Groves and similar things from FairportB 
Convention and Steeleye Span.>>
I quite like this folk form. Amelia has always reminded me of Poe's The Raven
with that haunting refrain, "Amelia, it was just a false alarm", "Quoth the
raven, nevermore". I've had Fairports version of Dylans "Percy's Song" on my
mind for two weeks now. Love that song. B I'll have to check out Matty Groves.
Some day I'd like to hear Marianne Faithfull's "Amelia". She reminds me of
Joni in that her signature song, "As Tears Go By" was sung and written when
she was a beautiful, young girl, though it fits an older person singing it,
like Joni with BSN. Hey Bob M., if you're reading, you probably know Dylan is
going to be in Greenville soon. Are you going to hear him belt out his Sinatra
songs? Since its the "Never Ending Tour" there shouldn't be any hurry to see
him, you have forever!Jeff

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