From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #495 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Website:http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe:mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Thursday, February 12 2015 Volume 2014 : Number 495 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Star Maker Machinery ["Mark" ] RE: JMDL Digest V2014 #1733 [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: New Library item: Joni Mitchell, Unyielding ["Cassy" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 19:22:34 -0800 From: "Mark" Subject: Re: Star Maker Machinery Kakki is certainly right about the couple of incidents that Joni describes in her 2012 interview with Malka Marom published in Malka's book 'Joni Mitchell in Her Own Words'. The behavior she describes would lead anyone to believe that the term 'cesspool' is an all too appropriate description of the music business. Joni also has the chance to explain in unedited, not-taken-out-of-context words what exactly her frustrations are, not so much about the lack of recognition she has received for her music as about the type of recognition and the manner in which it has been given. Whether she considers herself a feminist or not, I think a lot of her anger has to with some of the subtle and not so subtle ways that her work has been treated as somehow inferior when held up against the men who are considered to be her peers. And then there are Joni's comments about Billie Holiday. Many here will understand why I love what she had to say. Was it in an interview after winning 'Album of the Year' for 'Turbulent Indigo' that Joni made some comment about a slip up in how the whole Grammy contest is rigged? And I'm going to ask this even though it might not win me any friends and it's pretty much rhetorical. Why didn't President Obama tape a similar speech to have broadcast during the halftime at the Superbowl when Katy Perry performed? Welcome, Lynne Florio! I loved your post! Mark in Seattle - -----Original Message----- From: kbhla@fastmail.fm Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2015 5:11 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Star Maker Machinery I've had some experience working with music industry executives and spending a few years in their offices (on various litigation matters) and found them to be a very rough and brutal bunch. In Malka's book, Joni describes some of the horrific things she witnessed over the years. My family had friends in the movie business back in the old Hollywood days, and while that industry could also be harsh at times, I don't think it holds a candle to the music business. I think the reason why the Laurel Canyon group did so well is that they had power in numbers and overwhelming talent and originality. They could not be ignored and all the kids wanting to hear them at the local clubs, etc., presented a wide sales demographic to be mined by the record companies. I don't see that kind of grass roots zeitgeist today that inevitably propels true original talent to the top. So now what we get as a consumer is mostly "manufactured." However, true talent still endures - maybe not by widespread recognition and mega sales of product, but by very successful live shows and tours all over the world. As for the Grammys, well their own music peers vote for who wins, and sometimes the nominations are quite deserved and fair. I am a member of the Grammy Museum and they mostly put on performances of artists that appeal to all of us here. The Grammy institution itself seems to still revere and recognize great music, even if the awards ceremony itself seems sometimes lacking. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 17:11:14 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2014 #1733 Very cool, Kimberly - that's always one of the things I've really enjoyed seeing anytime there's a Mutts show or a Howling Wolf Tribute or such. All the people that come out and have such a great affinity for the music. Sometimes in my day-to-day I feel like an outsider freak to be a Joni fan but in those settings, not so much. Bob NP: Grover Washington, Jr, "Mystical Force" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. 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You can try and figure out what exactly the problem is but the likelihood is that you will not solve this. You can go through every supposedly bad character trait and every instance of everything you ever said.... everything to what immediately preceded it, the urgency with which you say things.... what you have neglected to do (including never making any brownies yourself). When you still cannot figure it out my advice is to look at your strengths. This is probably why this baker is not liking you. It makes no sense to give up on your strengths. So liberate yourself realising that nothing can be done. In fact empower yourself and enjoy your strengths to the full, knowing that this is where the problem lay all along. You probably have more compassion than the baker has. She has not told you why she does not like you precisely because rationality has it that it cannot be because of something positive. You will have to start flourishing of your own accord. The baker is suffering but it is too complex to work this all out. Sent from my Windows Phone ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #495 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here:mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe