From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #493 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Website:http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe:mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, February 11 2015 Volume 2014 : Number 493 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: JMDL Digest V201#1716 [Joe Farrell ] Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #1716 [Michael Paz ] Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #1716 [lesli shadowsandlight ] RE: JMDL Digest V2014 #1733 ["kimberly" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 15:11:37 +0000 From: Joe Farrell Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V201#1716 That was a really interesting article about the "secret committees" who select the Grammy award winners. It seems to be both a cynical and sinister system which has little to do with the music and a lot to do with commercialism. I ask you secret committees what is going on here ?. It is outrageous. You are better off out of there Laurie. Regards, Joe. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 11:22:22 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #1716 Apparently there is another article in the Wall Street Journal that is more accurate that this one. I have not been able to find it yet. On Feb 10, 2015, at 11:44 PM, Laurie Antonioli wrote: Check out this article: http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/music_box/2011/02/why_i_hate_the_grammys.h tml There are "secret committees" that select the nominees. As a member of NARAS I am incredibly disillusioned by this years' jazz nominees and winners, I am probably going to discontinue being a member. I'm over it. It's really bad y'all. You have NO idea. I could start naming names and give examples but, let's just say this: it's a club and if you're not in it, forget about it. They let through random "creative" artists now and then. A token one here and there, but, the winners are generally with labels that folks on the secret committees actually run. There. I told you at least that much and you can go figure it out if you like detective work. I wouldn't waste your time. It's actually all a bunch of nonsense. Laurie On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 5:12 PM, JMDL Digest wrote: > > JMDL Digest Tuesday, February 10 2015 Volume 2014 : Number 1716 > > > > ========== > > TOPICS and authors in this Digest: > -------- > Star Maker Machinery [ > kbhla@fastmail.fm] > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 17:11:45 -0800 > From: kbhla@fastmail.fm > Subject: Star Maker Machinery > > I've had some experience working with music industry executives and > spending a few years in their offices (on various litigation matters) > and found them to be a very rough and brutal bunch. In Malka's book, > Joni describes some of the horrific things she witnessed over the years. > My family had friends in the movie business back in the old Hollywood > days, and while that industry could also be harsh at times, I don't > think it holds a candle to the music business. I think the reason why > the Laurel Canyon group did so well is that they had power in numbers > and overwhelming talent and originality. They could not be ignored and > all the kids wanting to hear them at the local clubs, etc., presented a > wide sales demographic to be mined by the record companies. I don't see > that kind of grass roots zeitgeist today that inevitably propels true > original talent to the top. So now what we get as a consumer is mostly > "manufactured." However, true talent still endures - maybe not by > widespread recognition and mega sales of product, but by very successful > live shows and tours all over the world. > > As for the Grammys, well their own music peers vote for who wins, and > sometimes the nominations are quite deserved and fair. I am a member of > the Grammy Museum and they mostly put on performances of artists that > appeal to all of us here. The Grammy institution itself seems to still > revere and recognize great music, even if the awards ceremony itself > seems sometimes lacking. > > Kakki > > ------------------------------ > > End of JMDL Digest V2014 #1716 > ****************************** > > ------- > To post messages to the list,sendtojoni@smoe.org. > Unsubscribe by clicking here: > mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe > ------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 09:56:06 -0800 From: lesli shadowsandlight Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #1716 i agree that some awards are fair and deserved. but sadly, moving units is so influential. On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 9:22 AM, Michael Paz wrote: > Apparently there is another article in the Wall Street Journal that is more > accurate that this one. > I have not been able to find it yet. > > > > > > > On Feb 10, 2015, at 11:44 PM, Laurie Antonioli > wrote: > > Check out this article: > > > http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/music_box/2011/02/why_i_hate_the_grammys.h > tml > > There are "secret committees" that select the nominees. As a member of > NARAS I am incredibly disillusioned by this years' jazz nominees and > winners, I am probably going to discontinue being a member. I'm over it. > It's really bad y'all. You have NO idea. I could start naming names and > give examples but, let's just say this: it's a club and if you're not in > it, forget about it. They let through random "creative" artists now and > then. A token one here and there, but, the winners are generally with > labels that folks on the secret committees actually run. There. I told > you at least that much and you can go figure it out if you like detective > work. I wouldn't waste your time. It's actually all a bunch of nonsense. > > Laurie > > > > > > On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 5:12 PM, JMDL Digest > wrote: > > > > > JMDL Digest Tuesday, February 10 2015 Volume 2014 : Number > 1716 > > > > > > > > ========== > > > > TOPICS and authors in this Digest: > > -------- > > Star Maker Machinery [ > > kbhla@fastmail.fm] > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 17:11:45 -0800 > > From: kbhla@fastmail.fm > > Subject: Star Maker Machinery > > > > I've had some experience working with music industry executives and > > spending a few years in their offices (on various litigation matters) > > and found them to be a very rough and brutal bunch. In Malka's book, > > Joni describes some of the horrific things she witnessed over the years. > > My family had friends in the movie business back in the old Hollywood > > days, and while that industry could also be harsh at times, I don't > > think it holds a candle to the music business. I think the reason why > > the Laurel Canyon group did so well is that they had power in numbers > > and overwhelming talent and originality. They could not be ignored and > > all the kids wanting to hear them at the local clubs, etc., presented a > > wide sales demographic to be mined by the record companies. I don't see > > that kind of grass roots zeitgeist today that inevitably propels true > > original talent to the top. So now what we get as a consumer is mostly > > "manufactured." However, true talent still endures - maybe not by > > widespread recognition and mega sales of product, but by very successful > > live shows and tours all over the world. > > > > As for the Grammys, well their own music peers vote for who wins, and > > sometimes the nominations are quite deserved and fair. I am a member of > > the Grammy Museum and they mostly put on performances of artists that > > appeal to all of us here. The Grammy institution itself seems to still > > revere and recognize great music, even if the awards ceremony itself > > seems sometimes lacking. > > > > Kakki > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > End of JMDL Digest V2014 #1716 > > ****************************** > > > > ------- > > To post messages to the list,sendtojoni@smoe.org. > > Unsubscribe by clicking here: > > mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe > > ------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 11:22:22 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #1716 Apparently there is another article in the Wall Street Journal that is more accurate that this one. I have not been able to find it yet. On Feb 10, 2015, at 11:44 PM, Laurie Antonioli wrote: Check out this article: http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/music_box/2011/02/why_i_hate_the_grammys.h tml There are "secret committees" that select the nominees. As a member of NARAS I am incredibly disillusioned by this years' jazz nominees and winners, I am probably going to discontinue being a member. I'm over it. It's really bad y'all. You have NO idea. I could start naming names and give examples but, let's just say this: it's a club and if you're not in it, forget about it. They let through random "creative" artists now and then. A token one here and there, but, the winners are generally with labels that folks on the secret committees actually run. There. I told you at least that much and you can go figure it out if you like detective work. I wouldn't waste your time. It's actually all a bunch of nonsense. Laurie On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 5:12 PM, JMDL Digest wrote: > > JMDL Digest Tuesday, February 10 2015 Volume 2014 : Number 1716 > > > > ========== > > TOPICS and authors in this Digest: > -------- > Star Maker Machinery [ > kbhla@fastmail.fm] > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 17:11:45 -0800 > From: kbhla@fastmail.fm > Subject: Star Maker Machinery > > I've had some experience working with music industry executives and > spending a few years in their offices (on various litigation matters) > and found them to be a very rough and brutal bunch. In Malka's book, > Joni describes some of the horrific things she witnessed over the years. > My family had friends in the movie business back in the old Hollywood > days, and while that industry could also be harsh at times, I don't > think it holds a candle to the music business. I think the reason why > the Laurel Canyon group did so well is that they had power in numbers > and overwhelming talent and originality. They could not be ignored and > all the kids wanting to hear them at the local clubs, etc., presented a > wide sales demographic to be mined by the record companies. I don't see > that kind of grass roots zeitgeist today that inevitably propels true > original talent to the top. So now what we get as a consumer is mostly > "manufactured." However, true talent still endures - maybe not by > widespread recognition and mega sales of product, but by very successful > live shows and tours all over the world. > > As for the Grammys, well their own music peers vote for who wins, and > sometimes the nominations are quite deserved and fair. I am a member of > the Grammy Museum and they mostly put on performances of artists that > appeal to all of us here. The Grammy institution itself seems to still > revere and recognize great music, even if the awards ceremony itself > seems sometimes lacking. > > Kakki > > ------------------------------ > > End of JMDL Digest V2014 #1716 > ****************************** > > ------- > To post messages to the list,sendtojoni@smoe.org. > Unsubscribe by clicking here: > mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe > ------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 13:20:20 -0800 From: "kimberly" Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2014 #1733 I've just returned from a Mid-Western tour playing Joni's music at the International Paralympics and at the historic Park Theater in Hayward, Wisconsin and beyond. The process of managing the guitars, tunings and moving this caravan across the country will be a short story I'll release in stages. I want to thank everyone who gave me ideas and solutions for doing this early in the fall, especially Dave Blackburn with Mutts of The Planet. Everywhere I went people warmly embraced the music and supported my efforts. I am grateful. I'd love to connect with musicians and or fans in Ireland, where I'm headed in April to do some of the same. Please let me know you're out there! Kimberly Ford - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni-digest@smoe.org] Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2015 9:57 AM To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2014 #1733 JMDL Digest Wednesday, February 11 2015 Volume 2014 : Number 1733 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: - -------- Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #1716 [lesli shadowsandlight Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #1716 i agree that some awards are fair and deserved. but sadly, moving units is so influential. On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 9:22 AM, Michael Paz wrote: > Apparently there is another article in the Wall Street Journal that is more > accurate that this one. > I have not been able to find it yet. > > > > > > > On Feb 10, 2015, at 11:44 PM, Laurie Antonioli > wrote: > > Check out this article: > > > http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/music_box/2011/02/why_i_hate_the_grammys. h > tml > > There are "secret committees" that select the nominees. As a member of > NARAS I am incredibly disillusioned by this years' jazz nominees and > winners, I am probably going to discontinue being a member. I'm over it. > It's really bad y'all. You have NO idea. I could start naming names and > give examples but, let's just say this: it's a club and if you're not in > it, forget about it. They let through random "creative" artists now and > then. A token one here and there, but, the winners are generally with > labels that folks on the secret committees actually run. There. I told > you at least that much and you can go figure it out if you like detective > work. I wouldn't waste your time. It's actually all a bunch of nonsense. > > Laurie > > > > > > On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 5:12 PM, JMDL Digest > wrote: > > > > > JMDL Digest Tuesday, February 10 2015 Volume 2014 : Number > 1716 > > > > > > > > ========== > > > > TOPICS and authors in this Digest: > > -------- > > Star Maker Machinery [ > > kbhla@fastmail.fm] > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 17:11:45 -0800 > > From: kbhla@fastmail.fm > > Subject: Star Maker Machinery > > > > I've had some experience working with music industry executives and > > spending a few years in their offices (on various litigation matters) > > and found them to be a very rough and brutal bunch. In Malka's book, > > Joni describes some of the horrific things she witnessed over the years. > > My family had friends in the movie business back in the old Hollywood > > days, and while that industry could also be harsh at times, I don't > > think it holds a candle to the music business. I think the reason why > > the Laurel Canyon group did so well is that they had power in numbers > > and overwhelming talent and originality. They could not be ignored and > > all the kids wanting to hear them at the local clubs, etc., presented a > > wide sales demographic to be mined by the record companies. I don't see > > that kind of grass roots zeitgeist today that inevitably propels true > > original talent to the top. So now what we get as a consumer is mostly > > "manufactured." However, true talent still endures - maybe not by > > widespread recognition and mega sales of product, but by very successful > > live shows and tours all over the world. > > > > As for the Grammys, well their own music peers vote for who wins, and > > sometimes the nominations are quite deserved and fair. I am a member of > > the Grammy Museum and they mostly put on performances of artists that > > appeal to all of us here. The Grammy institution itself seems to still > > revere and recognize great music, even if the awards ceremony itself > > seems sometimes lacking. > > > > Kakki > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > End of JMDL Digest V2014 #1716 > > ****************************** > > > > ------- > > To post messages to the list,sendtojoni@smoe.org. > > Unsubscribe by clicking here: > > mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe > > ------- - ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2014 #1733 ****************************** - ------- To post messages to the list,sendtojoni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe - ------- ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #493 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here:mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe