From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #492 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Website:http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe:mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, February 11 2015 Volume 2014 : Number 492 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: New Library item: Joni Mitchell, Unyielding [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Meghan Daum [Anita Gabrielle ] Star Maker Machinery [kbhla@fastmail.fm] Re: One last thought [anne@sandstrom.com] Re: Thoughts from a new member... [Happy The Man ] Re: One last thought [Catherine McKay ] But wait, there's more... [kbhla@fastmail.fm] Re: Thoughts from a new member... [Lori Renee Fye ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 13:07:03 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: New Library item: Joni Mitchell, Unyielding Well, I can assure you that my Covers section is up-to-the-minute! :-) Bob NP: Stevie Ray Vaughan, "Cold Shot" From: Catherine McKay To: "Susan E. McNamara" , Anita Gabrielle , "" , Date: 02/10/2015 01:00 PM Subject: Re: New Library item: Joni Mitchell, Unyielding Sent by: owner-joni@smoe.org I didn't even notice that because I actually didn't even read the whole article. I have a very short attention span these days. But I've just gone ahead and submitted a comment. I don't know who Meghan Daum is, but betcha $10 she's a friend of the guy what wrote the article. Meow, meow, meow! From: Susan E. McNamara To: Catherine McKay ; Anita Gabrielle ; "" Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2015 10:52 AM Subject: RE: New Library item: Joni Mitchell, Unyielding The author complained that Meghan Daum's citing of Joni Mitchell in her book The Unspeakable was missing from the JM.com library.B He called the website hers (meaning Joni's), which it is, but is run by dedicated fans who don't get paid.B Hit us with 50 lashes with a wet noodle, dude.B Sue Tierney McNamara Email: sem8@cornell.edu - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. 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In Malka's book, Joni describes some of the horrific things she witnessed over the years. My family had friends in the movie business back in the old Hollywood days, and while that industry could also be harsh at times, I don't think it holds a candle to the music business. I think the reason why the Laurel Canyon group did so well is that they had power in numbers and overwhelming talent and originality. They could not be ignored and all the kids wanting to hear them at the local clubs, etc., presented a wide sales demographic to be mined by the record companies. I don't see that kind of grass roots zeitgeist today that inevitably propels true original talent to the top. So now what we get as a consumer is mostly "manufactured." However, true talent still endures - maybe not by widespread recognition and mega sales of product, but by very successful live shows and tours all over the world. As for the Grammys, well their own music peers vote for who wins, and sometimes the nominations are quite deserved and fair. I am a member of the Grammy Museum and they mostly put on performances of artists that appeal to all of us here. The Grammy institution itself seems to still revere and recognize great music, even if the awards ceremony itself seems sometimes lacking. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 07:32:07 -0500 From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: Re: One last thought It's interesting. I'm just finishing one of Toller Cranston's autobiographies. Many of the sentiments are the same. There's a certain bitterness, a sense of having missed something. He's always hoping to be 'discovered" by Hollywood. Geez, being a world reknowned skater and artist isn't enough? I can't help but wonder at both Joni's and Toller's sense that nobody understood them, that there was never enough adoration to feed them. Not to say it was all bad for them. I guess it's just easier to talk about the disappointments. When Toller talks about going to a party at Joni's, he makes a grand and ridiculous entrance, dressed completely inappropriately. She's nowhere to be found; hiding in her bedroom. He does get to talk to her eventually, but feels like a fool. Again, he was hoping to be 'discovered.' I get the sense that there's a real pecking order to fame and that those hungry for it can never get enough. Do you suppose either one was happy during the creative process? lots of love, Anne On 2015-02-09 23:45, Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: > I am Roberta Joan. > Pity me. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 23:19:54 -0600 From: Happy The Man Subject: Re: Thoughts from a new member... Dear flustered, Sorry to hear about this season of life with your Father. We have been living that life too. Joni is the lava (We burn hot and cold) that holds us all together during this season of life and we keep traveling this journey together. There is much to be thankful on the music front but alas it's hidden in the deep tracks of the ether. Find it and it will bring healing just as Joni has done for so many of us. Peace, Happy NP: john Fullbright - keeping hope alive On Feb 10, 2015 10:42 PM, wrote: > Hi I m new to the group and was motivated to join after reading the New > York > Magazine piece. To say I m a huge fan sounds a bit hysterical and juvenile > perhaps (given that I m 55), but I was happy nonetheless to stumble upon > Joni s website and this little portal where she seems to be universally > admired. I always wondered what happens to people like Joni. How does > someone with so much light (talent) turn on her dimmer switch and > gracefully > retire to the rear of life s stage? It saddens me to think of such a > thing > she seems such an incredible life force. It s got to be like caging a > hurricane. > > Anyway, I was driving home from my dad s house today (who is sadly exiled > in > home hospice anxiously awaiting the day the master of the universe decides > to > turn off his power switch) and as I m cruising in my Mom s old Chevy > Malibu, > I m flipping through radio stations trying to find something decent to > listen > to. Alternately, one station was playing Bruno Mars new song, three other > stations were playing three different but current Taylor Swift songs and > another was playing Ariana Grande s most recent hit. This same group of > five > songs played repeatedly on many different stations for the whole two-hour > time > I was in the car. No other options on the radio other than NPR, which is > tough for someone who loves music. That aside, there was nothing remotely > thought provoking about this music and it got me thinking about whether we > will ever hear music of Joni s quality again? The music on the radio > today is > so whitewashed; I have to perhaps naively wonder, was it drugs that fueled > the depth of creative thought back in the 60 s/70 s? Or was the prudence > of > the 1950 s simply a mental girdle that had to be busted out of , with > great, thought-provoking and meaningful lyrics the natural by-product of > this > liberation? I don t have the answers but I do know that if I have to > listen to > Taylor Swift sing Shake it Off one more time, I m going to give up on > that > old Chevy Malibu radio. > > In closing, I m thankful to Joni and other artists like her, who have > provided > the soundtrack to some of the happiest memories and moments of my life. > She > still has the magical ability to calm me when I m upset, liberate me when > I m > feeling carefree and focus me when I m trying to be creative. In a word, > gratitude, to Joni and for all here who stuck with me and read this to the > end! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 08:25:35 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: RE: Another article http://tinyurl.com/lryjzbl Smoe breaks up those long URL's. Bob NP: Joe Jackson, "You Can't Get What You Want (Til You Know What You Want) From: c Karma To: "joni@smoe.org" , Date: 02/09/2015 08:16 PM Subject: RE: Another article Sent by: owner-joni@smoe.org The New York Magazine is a good piece, but this one had me in stitches.http://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/joni-mitchell-applies-for-a-tenur e-track-philosophy-position Jedidiah Anderson? CC > Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2015 03:00:03 -0500 > From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org > To: joni-digest@smoe.org > Subject: JMDL Digest V2014 #1708 > > > JMDL Digest Monday, February 9 2015 Volume 2014 : Number 1708 > > > > ========== > > TOPICS and authors in this Digest: > -------- > New Library item: Joni Mitchell, Unyielding [TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com] > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2015 20:14:39 -0700 (MST) > From: TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com > Subject: New Library item: Joni Mitchell, Unyielding > > Title: Joni Mitchell, Unyielding > Publication: New York Magazine > Date: 2015.2.9 > > http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2928 > > ------------------------------ > > End of JMDL Digest V2014 #1708 > ****************************** > > ------- > To post messages to the list,sendtojoni@smoe.org. > Unsubscribe by clicking here: > mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe > ------- - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. 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JMDL Digest Tuesday, February 10 2015 Volume 2014 : Number 1709 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: - -------- Re: New Library item: Joni Mitchell, Unyielding [Anita Gabrielle ] One last thought ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2015 17:27:22 +0000 From: Anita Gabrielle Subject: Re: New Library item: Joni Mitchell, Unyielding An interesting article (despite describing the web site as 'out of date' despite this article being dated the 9th). No pleasing some people. The reason for my email to the list is about the rather wonderful photographs on the page. As someone not on FB or Instagram or whatever, perhaps the photos are old news, but I thought they were great! A couple of beautiful images along with some humorous shots,too. If you haven't seen them, do take a look, Anita x > On 9 Feb 2015, at 03:14, TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com wrote: > > Title: Joni Mitchell, Unyielding > Publication: New York Magazine > Date: 2015.2.9 > > http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2928 - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2015 16:25:21 -0700 (MST) From: TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com Subject: New Library item: Clive Davis' 2015 Grammy Party Celebrates Big Voices, Giant Stars Title: Clive Davis' 2015 Grammy Party Celebrates Big Voices, Giant Stars Publication: RollingStone.com Date: 2015.2.8 http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2927 - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2015 21:07:15 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Sad news on Joe Grado, njc Joe Grado, of Brooklyn, NY, USA has passed on. He will be remember by music buffs of a certain age for making by hand a very wide range of phono cartridges. If I remember right, his nephew has been running the company for a while now, and is largely responsible for the very wide range of Grado headphones. Stereophile weighs in: http://www.stereophile.com Jim L - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2015 22:39:54 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Been readin' the news And it sure looks bad. In an interview in New York Magazine, (published yesterday?) The interviewer said in part, > She mentions the guy her record company sent not long ago b bthe burglar,b she calls him b to root around her storage unit to cobble together a boxed set she calls a bturd,b which she eventually got killed.> Here's the article, but be warned that she thinks she's been under attack for 40 years. These would be the same 40 years during which she left SK, saw the world, and inspired two generations of songwriters... http://nymag.com/thecut/2015/02/joni-mitchell-fashion-muse.html Jim - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2015 23:45:09 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: One last thought I am Roberta Joan. Pity me. - ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2014 #1709 ****************************** - ------- To post messages to the list,sendtojoni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe - ------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 23:08:02 +0000 (UTC) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: One last thought So, what kind of recognition do they want? This is a culture that apparently worships (while it simultaneously hates, and loves to hate) the vacuousness and plasticity of Hollywood. I'm not really sure if OUR culture really would pay as much attention to that stuff as we do, except for the fact that that is what is shoved at us all the time, so it becomes the thing people talk about and know about, even if they don't particularly want to. Look at all those ridiculous gossip magazines and trashy National Inquirer types of publications constantly shoving Kardashians in our faces. I really don't want to know what a Kardashian is, and yet, I do, and I can't help. There are some talented people out there but there are even more people who are famous for nothing but being famous. People who seem to make a shitload of money not doing a great deal except showing up at events. This stuff appeals to the lowest common denominator, which doesn't say a great deal about our culture at all. Is that who Joni wants to be understood by? Or, is it the people behind the starmaker machinery? But those people are the ones shoving this mediocre formulaic crap at us and that's the stuff that becomes well-known because it makes big bucks. It's just a commodity and so are the flavour-of-the-moment pop stars who come and go and whose voices and music all sound the same (says this grouchy old woman.) Some if it may be entertainment but, oh, here's the million-dollar question: is it ART? Don't ask me! What exactly is art and how many people have the appreciation of the kind of vocabulary Joni and others like her use in their songs?B Sadly, most artists aren't even recognized until after they're dead. I guess Beethoven was famous enough in his day, but I don't think he was truly appreciated until after he died. Mozart was buried in a pauper's grave. On that cheerful note, I guess I'll go and feed the cat. From: "anne@sandstrom.com" To: Jim L'Hommedieu Cc: JMDL JMDL ; owner-joni@smoe.org Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2015 7:32 AM Subject: Re: One last thought It's interesting. I'm just finishing one of Toller Cranston's autobiographies. Many of the sentiments are the same. There's a certain bitterness, a sense of having missed something. He's always hoping to be 'discovered" by Hollywood. Geez, being a world reknowned skater and artist isn't enough? I can't help but wonder at both Joni's and Toller's sense that nobody understood them, that there was never enough adoration to feed them. Not to say it was all bad for them. I guess it's just easier to talk about the disappointments. When Toller talks about going to a party at Joni's, he makes a grand and ridiculous entrance, dressed completely inappropriately. She's nowhere to be found; hiding in her bedroom. He does get to talk to her eventually, but feels like a fool. Again, he was hoping to be 'discovered.' I get the sense that there's a real pecking order to fame and that those hungry for it can never get enough. Do you suppose either one was happy during the creative process? lots of love, Anne On 2015-02-09 23:45, Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: > I am Roberta Joan. > Pity me. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 12:46:21 -0800 From: kbhla@fastmail.fm Subject: But wait, there's more... Jim, I thought that particular sentence from the article was both incorrect and poorly written. I distinctly remember Joni stating somewhere years ago that she had, in fact, told her parents about the baby five years after the adoption. I also remember the article (think from the National Enquirer) that first revealed the details of her giving a baby up for adoption. Most people close to Joni, including her parents and boyfriends, were long aware of it. Somewhere else, Joni stated that while she was at first surprised about the revelation in the tabloid, she also came to think it might be a good thing to have it publicized in the hopes of finding her daughter. I'm sure all these past articles are somewhere in the JM Library. Kakki Jim wrote: <> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 23:42:47 -0800 From: Lori Renee Fye Subject: Re: Thoughts from a new member... What a great first post, "floriofamily"! Welcome to the JMDL! Lori, here since 1997, still hanging out in Caldwell, Idaho ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #492 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here:mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe