From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #454 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Website:http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe:mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Sunday, January 4 2015 Volume 2014 : Number 454 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Things in the Vault [Laurie Antonioli ] Re: Shakespeare references [Jamie Zubairi home ] Re: Joni covers and box set [Bob Muller ] =?Windows-1252?Q?Re:_New_Library_item:_Joni_Mitchell=92s_intrig uing___jaz?= =?Windows-1252?Q?z_period_began_41_years_ago:_=91An_incredible_legacy_ in_?= =?Windows-1252?Q?music=92_?= [] Joni covers and box set [Jeff Clark ] =?UTF-8?Q?New_Library_item:_Joni_Mitchell=E2=80=99s_intriguing_ jazz_peri?= =?UTF-8?Q?od_began_41_years_ago:_=E2=80=98An_?= =?UTF-8?Q?incredible_legacy_in_music=E2=80=99_?= [] Joni a la carte [Jeff Clark ] =?windows-1252?Q?Re=3A_=3D=3FWindows-1252=3FQ=3FRe=3A=5FNew=5FL i?= =?windows-1252?Q?brary=5Fitem=3A=5FJoni=5FMitchell=3D92s=5Fintri?= =?windows-1252?Q?g_uing=5F=5F=5Fjaz=3F=3D_=3D=3FWindows-1252=3FQ?= =?windows-1252?Q?=3Fz=5Fperiod=5Fbegan=5F41=5Fyears=5Fago=3A=5F?= =?windows-1252?Q?=3D91An=5Fincredible=5Flegacy=5F_in=5F=3F=3D_mu?= =?windows-1252?Q?sic=92_?= [] =?windows-1252?Q?Re=3A_=3D=3FWindows-1252=3FQ=3FRe=3A=5FNew=5FL _?= =?windows-1252?Q?ibrary=5Fitem=3A=5FJoni=5FMitchell=3D92s=5Fintr?= =?windows-1252?Q?ig_uing=5F=5F=5Fjaz=3F=3D_=3D=3FWindows-1252=3F?= =?windows-1252?Q?Q=3Fz=5Fperiod=5Fbegan=5F41=5Fyears=5Fago=3A=5F?= =?windows-1252?Q?=3D91An=5Fincredible=5Flegacy=5F_in=5F=3F=3D_mu?= =?windows-1252?Q?sic=92_?= [] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 08:38:10 -0800 From: Laurie Antonioli Subject: Things in the Vault or rather, Things that Go Bump in the Night. On Monday, I'm visiting a project I did that's in the "can" as we like to say, an entire record, to see if it's worthy of resurrecting and putting out. I have 3 or 4 of these. I didn't release them because I didn't love them. All my releases, which are only 5, I'm very comfortable with. Anyone can have them, hear them and like them or not, it's okay with me. In my will, I must specifically put: under no circumstances will unreleased material be released. There's a reason we don't put stuff out. Since I'm not a star, I doubt there will be any worries here. However, I have a handful of enthusiastic fans that could be pesky. My daughter will need to have strict instructions. ANYWAY. Enough about me. Joni's vault is no doubt packed with stuff. There's no way it couldn't be. In my case, with the exception of "Songs of Shadow" where we did those 13 songs in 3 days and kept them all, every other project has some songs that didn't make the cut. Can you imagine, given Joni's perfectionism - and her records are truly perfect, really perfect, all the things that didn't see the light of day? It'd be a fascinating study. "Eastern Rain" is an example of a song that she performed but didn't release on a recording. I suspect this is in large part due to it not fitting into the thematics of her projects. But. I said this before and I'll say it again. If she wanted us to hear them, she'd put them out. Maybe now that she's done the box set she'll be willing to pour through the old tapes, but, that may not be interesting to her. In any case, it's her choice. I hope someone doesn't "rob her grave" when she goes and do what they've done with other artists and release "the lost tapes" kind of thing. I just think it's wrong. Unless she gives her blessing, I'm fine with not hearing any of it. So...let's see what she does. She's very much alive and kicking and actively involved with her estate at the moment. Who knows what's coming next. But...if she put a nix on something "back in the day" there's a good chance she'll still feel it's not something to share with her public. Happy New Year - by the way!! We sure had a great year. Here's one of the latest "lists" we made - nice to be there with Ambrose, who, as you know, played a solo on one of the songs on "Love Has Many Faces" - don't know which one she adjusted with his playing, but, she loves her some Ambrose, that's for sure: http://ww2.kqed.org/arts/2014/12/29/the-golden-state-of-jazz-top-california-jazz-releases-of-2014/ Take good care - Laurie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 08:42:22 +0000 From: Jamie Zubairi home Subject: Re: Shakespeare references Also Borderline Jamie Zubairi Actor, Artist, Voiceover, Photographer On 2 Jan 2015 02:25, "Betsy Blue" wrote: > Happy New Year! > > Is there a comprehensive list of Joni's Shakespearean allusions? I am > seeking analysis on the following: > > That Song About the Midway > A Case of You > Talk to Me > Last Chance Lost > > ....and you know there may be more. > > Thanks! > Betsy > NP For No One, The Beatles ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 17:12:50 -0500 From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Joni covers and box set It would be nice to see some interpretations of DED tunes. Not many as yet. If Joni says there's not much to release in terms of demos and such, many of us know that she is mistaken. Bob Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 2, 2015, at 1:24 PM, Jeff Clark wrote: > > Thanks for all the great covers Bob. I don't have many, but still appreciate that they are available. I'd like ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 20:29:24 +0000 From: "Susan E. McNamara" Subject: =?Windows-1252?Q?Re:_New_Library_item:_Joni_Mitchell=92s_intrig uing___jaz?= =?Windows-1252?Q?z_period_began_41_years_ago:_=91An_incredible_legacy_ in_?= =?Windows-1252?Q?music=92_?= Robben Ford said, "She was always a brilliant musician - and particularly when she sat down at the piano," Ford adds. "Her music could become very expansive. With the guitar or on the dulcimer, she didn't have a lot of technique on those instruments. But on the piano, she developed her own language. It became orchestral, like her mind. She had a big mind. So, I couldn't agree with you more. It was an amazing period, certainly in her music - but it was an incredible legacy in music in general." I wonder if Robben Ford thought Joni's guitar technique was lacking because of the alternate tunings ... But I totally disagree with this statement ... I do agree however that when Joni started composing on piano the full story of the amazing musical colors in her head came to fruition ... I am currently learning I Don't Know Where I Stand for my next instructional video, and I think it should be called Concerto in F for Trumpet. :-) Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 3, 2015, at 12:04 PM, "TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com" wrote: > > Website) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 18:24:39 +0000 (UTC) From: Jeff Clark Subject: Joni covers and box set Thanks for all the great covers Bob. I don't have many, but still appreciate that they are available. I'd like a cover of Fiction sometime. I can imagine it being done very well. Here it is coming onto the 30th anniversary of "The Dog" an album I am particularly fond of. I remember when it came out running to it on my walkman every night. So misunderstood and underrated. I don't think any Joni songs are dated, lyrically or musically, from The Way It is, on. I think the only way there will be a dreamed about box set is if JMDL people put it together. Everything is pretty much available. Joni said she dosen't really have very much if anything lying around in a vault in terms of demos and unreleased songs. There are some very special concerts like the Philly Spectrum '76 etc. I wonder if she has ever listened to that stuff. I don't think she would ever officially release anything like that. Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 09:56:24 -0700 (MST) From: TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?New_Library_item:_Joni_Mitchell=E2=80=99s_intriguing_ jazz_peri?= =?UTF-8?Q?od_began_41_years_ago:_=E2=80=98An_?= =?UTF-8?Q?incredible_legacy_in_music=E2=80=99_?= Title: Joni Mitchellbs intriguing jazz period began 41 years ago: bAn incredible legacy in musicb Publication: Something Else! (Website) Date: 2015.1.2 http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2895 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 18:37:19 +0000 (UTC) From: Jeff Clark Subject: Joni a la carte Does anyone know if that Joni cookbook is out there somewhere? I wanted to make the Crown and Anchor Me linguine and clam sauce with the Golden in Time Garlic Bread for supper tonight. Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 15:39:07 -0800 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: =?windows-1252?Q?Re=3A_=3D=3FWindows-1252=3FQ=3FRe=3A=5FNew=5FL i?= =?windows-1252?Q?brary=5Fitem=3A=5FJoni=5FMitchell=3D92s=5Fintri?= =?windows-1252?Q?g_uing=5F=5F=5Fjaz=3F=3D_=3D=3FWindows-1252=3FQ?= =?windows-1252?Q?=3Fz=5Fperiod=5Fbegan=5F41=5Fyears=5Fago=3A=5F?= =?windows-1252?Q?=3D91An=5Fincredible=5Flegacy=5F_in=5F=3F=3D_mu?= =?windows-1252?Q?sic=92_?= Sue, I think in terms of actual technique, Robben Ford may be fair, which is not to diminish her originality or the aptness of her playing for her music. With someone else playing acoustic guitar for her, it wouldnt have sounded like Jonis music, any more than the Beatles would with a more technical drummer than Ringo. Her knowledge of guitar was confined entirely to playing her own songs in tunings Joel Bernstein had to keep track of for her. She had no idea what her chords were called, other than her painterly adjectives for them. Her right hand technique was quite wonderful, however, especially her arched hand position. However, coming from a very versatile guitarist like Ford who could read, play different genres, solo, and improvise contrapuntal parts, her playing may have seemed quite limited in technique. Its not a put-down; in fact considering her limited technique it is incredible how much great music she got from it. I agree that the piano writing and the language she created on piano, was very special, and totally unlike her guitar writing - almost a different composer. On piano, her left hand technique of rolling eighth note arpeggios, was very plain and undeveloped, but what she played against it, rhythmically and harmonically, was really different. That is some of what I would talk about if I get to present at the Lincoln Symposium. Dave Happy New year everyone! > On Jan 3, 2015, at 12:29 PM, Susan E. McNamara wrote: > > Robben Ford said, "She was always a brilliant musician - and particularly when she sat down at the piano," Ford adds. "Her music could become very expansive. With the guitar or on the dulcimer, she didn't have a lot of technique on those instruments. But on the piano, she developed her own language. It became orchestral, like her mind. She had a big mind. So, I couldn't agree with you more. It was an amazing period, certainly in her music - but it was an incredible legacy in music in general." > > I wonder if Robben Ford thought Joni's guitar technique was lacking because of the alternate tunings ... But I totally disagree with this statement ... I do agree however that when Joni started composing on piano the full story of the amazing musical colors in her head came to fruition ... I am currently learning I Don't Know Where I Stand for my next instructional video, and I think it should be called Concerto in F for Trumpet. :-) > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 3, 2015, at 12:04 PM, "TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com" wrote: >> >> Website) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 23:12:30 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: =?windows-1252?Q?Re=3A_=3D=3FWindows-1252=3FQ=3FRe=3A=5FNew=5FL _?= =?windows-1252?Q?ibrary=5Fitem=3A=5FJoni=5FMitchell=3D92s=5Fintr?= =?windows-1252?Q?ig_uing=5F=5F=5Fjaz=3F=3D_=3D=3FWindows-1252=3F?= =?windows-1252?Q?Q=3Fz=5Fperiod=5Fbegan=5F41=5Fyears=5Fago=3A=5F?= =?windows-1252?Q?=3D91An=5Fincredible=5Flegacy=5F_in=5F=3F=3D_mu?= =?windows-1252?Q?sic=92_?= WoW! I Lots of good stuff here cept I still think Ringo was one of the greatest drummers of all time and I think was quite technical and came up with beats and grooves that NO ONE on this planet was playing. That said he also deserves to be in the RRHF Jim for just being Ringo and the wonderful ensembles of bands he put together to tour and play his solo music. Was he a Jack Dejohnette or a Bill Bruford or an (you fill in the blankI c) _______________________. No! But then again no one else you could name could have rounded out those beatle tunes the way that he did, better chops or faster or more this or that. Sorry that has been on my mind since Jim started ranting about Ringo a few weeks ago. We all know your fave Beatle was Paul there Jim... ;) Paz (in a foul mood with foul weather outside my window) Other than that Happy New Year Everyone. I want to be in that number at the Lincoln Symposium. On Jan 3, 2015, at 5:39 PM, Dave Blackburn wrote: Sue, I think in terms of actual technique, Robben Ford may be fair, which is not to diminish her originality or the aptness of her playing for her music. With someone else playing acoustic guitar for her, it wouldnt have sounded like Jonis music, any more than the Beatles would with a more technical drummer than Ringo. Her knowledge of guitar was confined entirely to playing her own songs in tunings Joel Bernstein had to keep track of for her. She had no idea what her chords were called, other than her painterly adjectives for them. Her right hand technique was quite wonderful, however, especially her arched hand position. However, coming from a very versatile guitarist like Ford who could read, play different genres, solo, and improvise contrapuntal parts, her playing may have seemed quite limited in technique. Its not a put-down; in fact considering her limited technique it is incredible how much great music she got from it. I agree that the piano writing and the language she created on piano, was very special, and totally unlike her guitar writing - almost a different composer. On piano, her left hand technique of rolling eighth note arpeggios, was very plain and undeveloped, but what she played against it, rhythmically and harmonically, was really different. That is some of what I would talk about if I get to present at the Lincoln Symposium. Dave Happy New year everyone! > On Jan 3, 2015, at 12:29 PM, Susan E. McNamara wrote: > > Robben Ford said, "She was always a brilliant musician - and particularly when she sat down at the piano," Ford adds. "Her music could become very expansive. With the guitar or on the dulcimer, she didn't have a lot of technique on those instruments. But on the piano, she developed her own language. It became orchestral, like her mind. She had a big mind. So, I couldn't agree with you more. It was an amazing period, certainly in her music - - but it was an incredible legacy in music in general." > > I wonder if Robben Ford thought Joni's guitar technique was lacking because of the alternate tunings ... But I totally disagree with this statement ... I do agree however that when Joni started composing on piano the full story of the amazing musical colors in her head came to fruition ... I am currently learning I Don't Know Where I Stand for my next instructional video, and I think it should be called Concerto in F for Trumpet. :-) > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 3, 2015, at 12:04 PM, "TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com" wrote: >> >> Website) ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #454 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here:mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe