From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #423 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Website:http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe:mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Friday, December 12 2014 Volume 2014 : Number 423 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Said or sad? [Catherine McKay ] Love Actually (spoiler alert) [Jamie Zubairi home ] Re: Rests between tracks [Laurie Antonioli ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 19:04:44 +0000 (UTC) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Said or sad? I've obviously not paid a lot of attention to the words of this song because it all sounds brand new to me. This has never been my favourite Joni song. The girl does have a way with words, though, doesn't she? I'll have to have another look and listen to that song. I'd lean towards "so much said" (because that's how I hear it, and sometimes silence says a lot, and who truly listens? Most of us are just waiting for our chance to spew our own words!) but I agree that you can say "so much sad" and that it could very well be interpreted that way and make sense. Joni herself has said, "What does it mean to you?" I know for a fact that there are plenty of things I've heard in my own way (some would say "wrong") and I'm sometimes disappointed to find out that what I heard in my own way was actually said in a different way. In other words, don't expect this to be resolved. From: Susan E. McNamara To: Jim L'Hommedieu Cc: "joni@smoe.org" Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 10:20 AM Subject: RE: Said or sad? I was thinking of it in context of the whole song: Where do Songs To Aging Children Come from .... Some come dark and strange like dying [like from] crows and ravens whistling [like from] lines of weeping, strings of crying [like at a funeral] So much sad/said in listening [the feeling of sadness comes from listening to these songs/so much is said about these songs from listening] I've also thought about the Canadian dialect too because Joni's rhyming sequencing is not always usual: Strange Ravens Strings Said Come Crows Crying sad Hmmm ... I'm not convinced yet ... carry on.B :-) Susan Tierney McNamara email:B sem8@cornell.edu - -----Original Message----- From: Jim L'Hommedieu [mailto:jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 12:12 AM To: Susan E. McNamara Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: Said or sad? Sue, I think she said, "said".B First, at the time, she had only been off the prairie a short time, eh? The prairie pronunciation of "about" is very different from the one heard in Ithaca too.B They do funny things with vowels up there.B I think the A sound in said comes out sounding like "egg" to my Ohioan ears. Secondly, I think that "sad" is overtly poetic, which would be a little unusual for Joni. (Although she was flowery in the early days, so who knows?) Lastly, Said/listening makes an interesting dichotomy and you know how she ***lives*** in duality. Interesting question though. Sometimes I like to ponder this stuff. For a long time, I thought she was deliberately ambiguous.B Now, I'm uncertain of the ambiguity.B (!) There are scores of things like that in her songs, unlike Steve Miller.B You know: > dance, dance, dance > let's make some ro- > nance Nothing unclear there.B I hope Malka has a comment. Jim ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 15:35:27 +0000 From: Jamie Zubairi home Subject: Love Actually (spoiler alert) I'm sure we've all seen this film by now. What the writer says about the Joni Mitchell sections... I'm sure we've all thought it! http://jezebel.com/i-rewatched-love-actually-and-am-here-to-ruin-it-for-al-1485136388 Jamie Zubairi Actor, Artist, Voiceover, Photographer ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 17:38:49 +0000 (UTC) From: Jeff Clark Subject: STACC lyric B <B > maybe whats being "said" is that the person is a good listener; so few people listen these days. Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2014 08:13:01 -0800 From: Laurie Antonioli Subject: Re: Rests between tracks Yes, Dave. I was working with Mark Wilder, he is one of THE top mastering guys in the business (he re-mastered the "Kind of Blue" record by Miles Davis, for instance.) He encouraged me a couple of times, when I wanted to wait one second longer, to go ahead and start a bit sooner just for that reason. We spoke about the "4 second" pause. People now will just hit "next" if that much time passes. Sad, really. Laurie On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 7:56 AM, Dave Blackburn wrote: > Yes, Laurie, and I might add that attention spans being what they are > these days, people are putting far less space between songs than they used > to. 4 seconds, which was once commonplace, feels like an eternity now! > > Dave > > > > On Dec 9, 2014, at 7:45 AM, Laurie Antonioli > wrote: > > > > are always calculated - it's part of mastering and programming. Most > don't > > listen like they "used to" - but - for instance, I spent a long time in > the > > mastering studio on "Songs of Shadow" with the engineer breathing between > > songs. Listening to the exact nano-second when the next tune should > > start. People listen on "shuffle" now or just buy one song off the > record > > on iTunes, but, those of us who still make "records" spend an inordinate > > amount of time doing this. No doubt Joni did, too. The whole point of > her > > latest release is to listen straight through and those rests add to the > > drama and how each next song is presented. > > > > Laurie ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #423 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here:mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe