From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #414 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Website:http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe:mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Monday, December 8 2014 Volume 2014 : Number 414 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- New Library item: THE RECORD [TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com] Stevie Wonder, A Wonder For Sure [Bruce Eggleston ] Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #1459 [Jeff Clark ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 17:11:58 -0700 (MST) From: TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com Subject: New Library item: THE RECORD Title: THE RECORD Publication: US Weekly Date: 2014.12.15 http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2882 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 12:00:48 -0700 From: Bruce Eggleston Subject: Stevie Wonder, A Wonder For Sure I'm glad you commented on Stevie Wonder's wonderful work. I've posted here before about the way I regard artists by the breadth of their talents. For example La Mitchell has superb talents in song writing, singing, instrumental artistry with bonus points for playing many instrument very well, band arrangements, performance capabilities, cover art, and record producing. That is at least seven deep talents that have so endeared her to us, and, set the bar very high for comparisons to other artists. There are very few artists in that stratosphere of many refined talents. Stevie Wonder is one of them who would equal or surpass Joni. Just to be clear, this is not a contest or even a judgement between artists, but more a level of achievement by every artist towards some artistic ideal of perfection. I don't believe you can really rank artists against one another in the emotional sense where we are "moved" by music both complex and stunningly simple, both refined and base. Mozart, Bach and Beethoven might be thought of as closer to that ideal, as their artistry has achieved timelessness, and have inspired many generations of artists and music lovers with their genius. I'd say they have equal talents in those categories, excepting cover art, and Stevie is by far the better instrumentalist, arranger, and record producer as he produced his own records exceedingly well from the beginning, when he got artistic control from Barry Gordy and Motown. Stevie formed his own label at the age of 21. He played most of the instruments on his first three albums on his Tamla label. He was even sought after by keyboard manufactures for beta-testing their new products, because if Stevie liked it, it was ready for production. It was Stevie who brought Motown along to a social awareness, along with Marvin Gaye, where the songwriting came to address the urgent issues of the day, equality, anti-war, poverty, Black Power, and peace amongst us all. His talents really know no bounds. This man is a musical genius if there ever was one. Who else do you think possess similar degrees of talent? The Bonneville NP: Love' in Need of Love Today Bob wrote: NP: Stevie Wonder, "Same Old Story" (Been playing Stevie all day today due to Victor's Facebook posts...what a career he has had. I have gone all the way back to the "Little Stevie Wonder" stuff, through those incredible 70's releases and his latest work as well, and barely scanned the surface of his 50+ years of recording. A Wonder to be sure) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 15:29:52 -0800 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: Black Crow guitar Kimberly, I always use heavy gauge strings (13-56) to play Joni songs in her tunings, and if needed I raise the action a bit at the truss rod. Also tune by ear playing fretted notes as well as a tuner; when the tension is slack the tuner alone will mislead you. Have a great gig. Dave > On Dec 7, 2014, at 3:04 PM, Laurent Olszer wrote: > > Question: Does anyone know what Joni's guitar rig was for "Black Crow?" We > can't seem to come up with a guitar that can hold onto the low Bb without > going all flappy and out of tune. > > > > Hi Kimberly, > > No idea about Joni's rig. I use a Telecaster for that song and it works well > with the low tuning. Good luck with the gig > > > > Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 01:40:37 +0000 (UTC) From: Jeff Clark Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #1459 Hi Sue, I really enjoyed your Drummer Man and have checked out a few of your other videos, as I have the time. Watched I Think I Understand, another favorite. I like her intro to that song where she talks about being inspired by Tolkein for that. Looking at your Eastern Rain, do you really tune the little E up to F# without breaking? I came across a Joni interview on youtube, about half an hour long where she talks mainly about her video editing process for the Come in From the Cold video, but at the end shows and talks about her gorgeous Steve Klein custom made guitar. In case no one has seen it it'sRencontre avec Joni Mitchell a Los Angeles Archive INA.B Oh and I watched the mini James Taylor knitting lesson!Jeff On Monday, December 1, 2014 8:22 PM, Susan E. McNamara wrote: Thanks Jeff!! B I also have a rough version of Go Tell The Drummer Man on my youtube channel b& here:B https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRDNP5vveVc&list=UUwYRw1G9pv33Re8d5wDD zNQ Ibm in the process of finishing the Clouds album. B Almost ready to post Songs To Aging Children Come, and then Tin Angel and I Donbt Know Where I Stand. B I would finish this stuff faster if I didnbt have to work 40 hours a week! That Cambridge show is amazing. B Shebs tuning from I Had A King to Morning Morgantown. B Tight rope walker!!! :-) Take care, Sue B From: Jeff Clark Reply-To: Jeff Clark Date: Monday, December 1, 2014 at 8:04 PM To: Sue McNamara , "joni@smoe.org" Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #1459 Sue, I just saw your videos of The Gallery and That Song About the Midway on Joni.com. I didn't know they existed. Thanks for putting them up and I cracked up at the end about the string wanting to snap. I think that might be from the Cambridge, Jan. '68 show? Thinking about those early shows reminded me I hadn't heard Go Tell The Drummer Man in awhile. I used to like (trying) to play that. She really goes all over the neck on that one. Thx. JeffGo Tell the Drummer Man always had to me a Laura Nyroesque quality about it, maybe because its in 6/8 time. On Monday, December 1, 2014 10:27 AM, Susan E. McNamara wrote: I am fascinated listening to those cafC) tapes ... She does tend to keep the sets in "family of tunings" but sometimes you can hear her go from a G tuning down to a Song For a Seagull C or B tuning and then back up to open D and I squint just waiting for her to break a string (even though I've listened to these tapes a million times!)B Her ear is really impeccable.B I want to try an exercise one day where I try to replicate a set of her songs exactly as they appear on one of my tapes and see how I do tuning and retuning.B Bing-Snap-Wam-Bam !!! watch out!! :-) Susan Tierney McNamara email:B sem8@cornell.edu - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Clark Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2014 10:17 AM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #1459 B Well I think she just did it the old fashioned way, by twidling the knobs on the guitar. Certainly after she became famous and was with CSN&Y she had a guitar tech and more than one guitar, but in the early coffee house, second-fret days she just did it herself. It is amazing. But remember, she was doing two and three sets every night, so anything you do so much soon becomes second nature. On an early Philadelphia radio broadcast she goes from Sisotowbell Lane tuning, CGDFCE to The Gallery tuning, C#F#C#F#A#C# in seconds. You can tell she's using the same guitar and tuning it. What really amazes me is when she introduces her first piano songs like Rainy Night House, and how complicated they sound on top of all the guitar songs. She's a genius!Jeff B B On Thursday, November 27, 2014 3:04 AM, JMDL Digest wrote: JMDL DigestBB BB BB Thursday, November 27 2014BB BB BB Volume 2014 : Number 1459 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: - -------- BB RE: JMDL Digest V2014 #1457BB BB BB BB BB BB ["kimberly" ] - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 10:25:02 -0800 From: "kimberly" Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2014 #1457 My sun currently rises and sets in the land of Joni. I am preparing for a concert of all Joni Mitchell compositions, Dec. 7th @ Soho, Santa Barbara, CA.BB and hope that all of you within range can attend. I've had wonderful support for this effort so far and many from this site, so thank you to those who have already responded. I wanted to share some of the unanticipated challenges of this project from the standpoint of the musician. This has both mystified me and also garnered increased respect for Joni's work. Her tunings are so magical but a bit of a nightmare from a guitarists perspective. I have managed to break two brand new guitars with computerized tuning systems in an effort to program them to only 6 of 8 the tunings that I am using in the show. I'll probably end up with two guitars on stage and a competent guitar tech just off stage grabbing them from me and retuning them to me between songs. I'm doing this as a trade with Jensen's guitar, our local music store.BB I'm only playing on every third song. I wondering how the heck Joni managed this...alone...in a coffee house... with no tech. Maybe audiences were more tolerant of her tuning time back then. Maybe she got famous so quickly into her career that she had a constant tech and numerous guitars after those long awkward coffee house gigs. Maybe I'm just being humbled, ha! Thoughts? Kimberly FordBB B BB BB BB B - - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni-digest@smoe.org] Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 12:00 AM To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2014 #1457 JMDL DigestBB BB BB Wednesday, November 26 2014BB BB BB Volume 2014 : Number 1457 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: - - -------- BB Re: NO Indictment In Ferguson?BB NO Justice!BB [Moni Kellermann Subject: Re: NO Indictment In Ferguson?BB NO Justice! > I reiterate, what does any of this have to do with the Joni Mitchell > discussion list???? > > Sent from my iPad Dear Sent from my iPad, as you probably know, there are four different versions of this mailing list, so the question may be answered as "everything" or "nothing", depending on the list version you signed up to. A discussion of a non-Joni topic should have the NJC (No Joni Content) in the subject line. In this case someone apparently forgot it and then people simply hit the reply button. I trust my fellow listers here that this happens without the intent of disturbing the peace of the Joni-only world, so I believe we can manage and simply delete such a message. moni k. - - ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2014 #1457 ****************************** - - ------- To post messages to the list,sendtojoni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe - - ------- - ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2014 #1459 ****************************** - ------- To post messages to the list,sendtojoni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe - ------- ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #414 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here:mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe