From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #403 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Website:http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe:mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Sunday, November 30 2014 Volume 2014 : Number 403 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- New letter to joni Mitchell, Bidini [Marianne Rizzo ] =?utf-8?B?cmU6IFRheWxvciBTd2lmdCwgR2lybHMsIHNxdWVsY2hpbmcsIGV0Y y4=?= ["=] Re: New Library item: An open letter to Joni Mitchell, from Dave Bidini [] Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #1500 [Les Irvin ] Re: New Library item: An open letter to Joni Mitchell, from Dave Bidini [] Re: That Joni Mitchell group on Facebook [Catherine McKay ] Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #1500 [Jamie Zubairi home ] Re: New Library item: An open letter to Joni Mitchell, from Dave Bidini vljc [Anita Gabrielle ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 10:02:54 -0500 From: Marianne Rizzo Subject: New letter to joni Mitchell, Bidini Hi. Joni sweet people, I just read this here letter. When you read it perhaps you will have the same visceral feeling. . . I don't know. He ended the letter with " let the art speak for itself, because when you speak I want to turn the sound off." So do that. Goodbye. He says to joni, "You make it seem like success in life is a miserable life, which it is not. . . Shouldn't you feel lucky or blessed. . ." You may want to read this if you have not already. I think it is good for us to read . . . but I ask, why would it appear on the joni Mitchell website? Would these words have the value to be left there? For those who appreciate joni, we don't want to turn the sound off. She is JONI who, at times, sees through a glass darkly. . . She has been in search of truth and beauty and she speaks it. She lives her duality and she expresses it in the most beautiful ways. She decides "truth over fiction." She sees betrayal: "greed it's the unraveling." She experiences and she expresses it. And why, what gets her there? She CARES. She cares about the "woe -begotten -daughters; for the Japanese. Let her speak, let her spit out her bitterness; "do you have eyes?" "What have I done to you? " and you were not to blame" And "the strong doing what they can and the weak suffering what they must." Joni doesn't "hate everything." She "sees like a child sees." She sees truth. She IS truth. (Okay. . . so she is/was in a bit of denial about her smoking) She sees all the beauty AND the greed and the pain; the gas leaks, the oil spills. ("Enter the multitudes"). "Some get the gristle, some get the marrow bone, some get nothing." Speaking truth, she has conviction. Thank you joni. She's looked at clouds from both sides now. Stardust golden. Shake your fists like lightening," joni, "roar like a forest fire." She plants her garden in the spring, she is Lakota. I love you joni, Marianne On 29 Nov 2014, at 21:53, TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com wrote: > > Title: An open letter to Joni Mitchell, from Dave Bidini > Publication: National Post > Date: 2014.11.28 > > http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2874 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 13:24:07 -0600 From: Laura Stanley Subject: The letter and Taylor Swift Hi Lister Sisters and Bros, I agree with this below: Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 11:45:55 -0500 From: malka marom Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #1500 "I found Dave Bidnibs letter disgusting, disgraceful way to to get attention to himself." It is weird that it is on JoniMitchell.com. Remove?! I get into how Joni speaks her mind whether she's singing or just speaking. I love listening to her interviews. I choose friends who are similar...like y'all. It's a lovely day in Dixie! 73F Love, Laura Sent from my iPhone ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 13:00:59 -0500 From: "=?utf-8?B?Z3BrbTYyMDhAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ=?=" Subject: =?utf-8?B?cmU6IFRheWxvciBTd2lmdCwgR2lybHMsIHNxdWVsY2hpbmcsIGV0Y y4=?= C Karma, I could not agree more. Thanks for posting this. Best, Gerry Sent from my HTC - ----- Reply message ----- From: "c Karma" To: "joni@smoe.org" Subject: re: Taylor Swift, Girls, squelching, etc. Date: Sun, Nov 30, 2014 12:38 PM I still haven't seen any comment from Joni regarding any project that can legitimately be interpreted as her "dissing" Taylor Swift. Her comments regarding any film project seem to criticize the material presented within the script. I have the sense that she views the depiction of her story as being simplistically rendered, missing detail which better explains not only her motivation but others as well. I interpret her comments thus far as (paraphrasing here), "If you don't have a script, you really don't have anything except a cast." Does it really surprise anyone that the content of any project would be her main focus? Let's not forget that squelching is not the same as extinguishing. Squelching reduces background noise so that what you want to hear is filtered to cut through more clearly. With regard to Ms. Swift portraying Ms. Mitchell, I'll say this. They both do their research on topics that interest themselves, and generally come prepared. I think they have more in common than just high cheekbones. CC ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 18:15:54 +0000 From: Anita Gabrielle Subject: Re: New Library item: An open letter to Joni Mitchell, from Dave Bidini But what? Sorry, I don't understand what you're saying Anita > On 30 Nov 2014, at 01:27, Gerald Kent wrote: > > Anita, painful but............ > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Nov 29, 2014, at 5:35 PM, Anita Gabrielle wrote: >> >> Holy Moly - this guy nails a lot of feelings folk have......a painful read. >> Anita >> >> >> >>> On 29 Nov 2014, at 21:53, TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com wrote: >>> >>> Title: An open letter to Joni Mitchell, from Dave Bidini >>> Publication: National Post >>> Date: 2014.11.28 >>> >>> http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2874 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 10:09:52 -0700 From: Les Irvin Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #1500 "Musician, author and filmmaker Dave Bidini is one of the founding members of Canadian rock group the Rheostatics and currently performs with Bidiniband ("The Land is Wild" and "In the Rock Hall"). He is the only Canadian to have been nominated for a Genie, Gemini, Juno as well as CBC's "Canada Reads." He has published eleven books on music, sports and travel including Tropic of Hockey, On A Cold Road and Writing Gordon Lightfoot. You can learn more about him at www.davebidini.ca" On 11/30/2014 10:00 AM, Jamie Zubairi home wrote: > Yes, exactly who is he? > > Jamie Zubairi > Actor, Artist, Voiceover, Photographer ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 10:40:53 -0800 From: Victor Subject: Re: New Library item: An open letter to Joni Mitchell, from Dave Bidini Anita, I concur. Painful a read as it may be, I thought it was very heartfelt, honest, and sincere. It's easy to react with anger and just dismiss his letter. It's not easy things to hear. I'm going to see Stevie Wonder this week in Seattle, and I can't help but think in mind what a contrast. Like a Joni, he is a musical genius, masterful songwriter who is truly unique, has overcome major obstacles, put out so much groundbreaking music and yet I get a completely different vibe from him of love and openness and letting things flow. India Arie, who considers him her mentor is along side him performing on this tour and having an incredible experience. Ma Jaya said it can be hard to live with an open heart because you are vulnerable and sometimes your heart will be hurt, but that it is far sadder to live with a closed heart. It's interesting to see where all these musical legends are on their journey. Phil Lesh is performing regularly, doing runs of shows in NYC and California, Paul McCartney still tours...even Cat Stevens is doing a few shows. Glad to be catching Stevie live again in this lifetime. Victor in Bend NP: Humble Pie - 30 Days in the Hole Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 29, 2014, at 2:35 PM, Anita Gabrielle wrote: > > Holy Moly - this guy nails a lot of feelings folk have......a painful read. > Anita > > > >> On 29 Nov 2014, at 21:53, TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com wrote: >> >> Title: An open letter to Joni Mitchell, from Dave Bidini >> Publication: National Post >> Date: 2014.11.28 >> >> http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2874 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 11:50:51 +0000 (UTC) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: That Joni Mitchell group on Facebook Which one of the facebook groups? There are a few of them. The jonimitchell.com one run by Les, or the "Joni Mitchell fans" one, run by who knows who? I've learned to be very careful of both of them, to be honest, since there are a lot of people on there who just seem to be adoring fans and I think we're past that, where we can criticize and even be pissed off at Joni and most people understand. I'm likewise grateful for this community, where we have had our spats and, mostly years ago, flame wars but where people are fine with saying whatever and usually no one gets angry about it (unless someone forgets the njc on the No Joni Content posts.) We seem to be able to understand others' points of view (most of the time). I'm not sure what bothers me more about FB groups: the people who constantly say things like, "I love you, Jonie" (I spelled that wrong on purpose) or the ones who join a group (this goes for any group) for the sole purpose of dissing whatever the page is about, or spamming it. The only thing I look at on the FB pages is photos and links to articles, and I don't read all of them either. From: Victor Johnson To: Joni Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2014 2:39 AM Subject: That Joni Mitchell group on Facebook I left that group today...I just couldn't take it anymore.B Every thread turning into heated diatribe back and forth over what we "should" or "shouldn't" discuss and God forbid we say anything that might be construed as criticism because that wouldn't be "nice" and on and on and on... It is so refreshing to know that the JMDL is here. Thankful for this community. Victor in Bend NP: the faint sound of a train in the distance, the hear kicking on, and a clock ticking somewhere ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 13:52:24 +0000 (UTC) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: That Joni Mitchell group on Facebook OK, gotcha! I have told myself time and time again NOT to read the comments on websites and yet, like a moth to a flame, I am often drawn in, only to feel the need for a long shower afterwards! From: Victor Johnson To: Catherine McKay Cc: Joni Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2014 8:17 AM Subject: Re: That Joni Mitchell group on Facebook Simon and Catherine, The one I am referring to is just called Joni Mitchell, run by who knows who. Just recently, you would have thought the world was coming to an end because there was a discussion about Joni's smoking and it turned into this vicious battle about whether it's even right to "question" the merits of smoking, and how dare you "criticize" Joni Mitchell and it's none of your business, and yada yada yada... Just like those sections for comments you see after news stories that quickly deteriorate into complete chaos and oh, the humanity... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 14:10:41 -0500 From: Gerald Kent Subject: Re: New Library item: An open letter to Joni Mitchell, from Dave Bidini Speaking of "that" generation of musicians, I was lucky enough to catch Sara Dash in a small club in NYC last year. For those who may not know, she was one of the founding members of Patty and the Bluebells latter to become Patty LaBelle and the bluebells. Anyway, she was part of a Laura Nyro project "Gonna Take a Miracle". I was totally mesmerized when she told a story of her and Laura hanging out in Harlem. Joni connection here: David Geffen. Sent from my iPad > On Nov 30, 2014, at 1:40 PM, Victor wrote: > > Anita, > > I concur. Painful a read as it may be, I thought it was very heartfelt, honest, and sincere. It's easy to react with anger and just dismiss his letter. It's not easy things to hear. > > I'm going to see Stevie Wonder this week in Seattle, and I can't help but think in mind what a contrast. Like a Joni, he is a musical genius, masterful songwriter who is truly unique, has overcome major obstacles, put out so much groundbreaking music and yet I get a completely different vibe from him of love and openness and letting things flow. India Arie, who considers him her mentor is along side him performing on this tour and having an incredible experience. > > Ma Jaya said it can be hard to live with an open heart because you are vulnerable and sometimes your heart will be hurt, but that it is far sadder to live with a closed heart. > > It's interesting to see where all these musical legends are on their journey. Phil Lesh is performing regularly, doing runs of shows in NYC and California, Paul McCartney still tours...even Cat Stevens is doing a few shows. > > Glad to be catching Stevie live again in this lifetime. > > Victor in Bend > NP: Humble Pie - 30 Days in the Hole > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Nov 29, 2014, at 2:35 PM, Anita Gabrielle wrote: >> >> Holy Moly - this guy nails a lot of feelings folk have......a painful read. >> Anita >> >> >> >>> On 29 Nov 2014, at 21:53, TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com wrote: >>> >>> Title: An open letter to Joni Mitchell, from Dave Bidini >>> Publication: National Post >>> Date: 2014.11.28 >>> >>> http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2874 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 10:05:27 -0800 From: Betsy Blue Subject: Joni NYT mention - Little Green Page 12 of today's New York Times SundayStyles section has an advice column that addresses whether to talk about an acquaintance's unplanned pregnancy and subsequent adoption. The answer was no. "This also rules out...setting Joni Mitchell's magnificent song on the subject, 'Little Green,' on auto-repeat...." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 17:00:36 +0000 From: Jamie Zubairi home Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #1500 Yes, exactly who is he? Jamie Zubairi Actor, Artist, Voiceover, Photographer ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 19:09:11 +0000 From: Anita Gabrielle Subject: Re: New Library item: An open letter to Joni Mitchell, from Dave Bidini vljc Victor, just found this in my Junk box, but see it now. I have always loved Stevie Wonder and Ma Jaya sounds full of wisdom Personally I don't feel angry or dismissive of Bidini's open letter and he may well be sincere. I still find it a painful read but would always defend his right to express his view. Opposing censorship will never be a comfortable ride, Anita > On 30 Nov 2014, at 18:40, Victor wrote: > > Anita, > > I concur. Painful a read as it may be, I thought it was very heartfelt, honest, and sincere. It's easy to react with anger and just dismiss his letter. It's not easy things to hear. > > I'm going to see Stevie Wonder this week in Seattle, and I can't help but think in mind what a contrast. Like a Joni, he is a musical genius, masterful songwriter who is truly unique, has overcome major obstacles, put out so much groundbreaking music and yet I get a completely different vibe from him of love and openness and letting things flow. India Arie, who considers him her mentor is along side him performing on this tour and having an incredible experience. > > Ma Jaya said it can be hard to live with an open heart because you are vulnerable and sometimes your heart will be hurt, but that it is far sadder to live with a closed heart. > > It's interesting to see where all these musical legends are on their journey. Phil Lesh is performing regularly, doing runs of shows in NYC and California, Paul McCartney still tours...even Cat Stevens is doing a few shows. > > Glad to be catching Stevie live again in this lifetime. > > Victor in Bend > NP: Humble Pie - 30 Days in the Hole > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Nov 29, 2014, at 2:35 PM, Anita Gabrielle wrote: >> >> Holy Moly - this guy nails a lot of feelings folk have......a painful read. >> Anita >> >> >> >>> On 29 Nov 2014, at 21:53, TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com wrote: >>> >>> Title: An open letter to Joni Mitchell, from Dave Bidini >>> Publication: National Post >>> Date: 2014.11.28 >>> >>> http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2874 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 20:31:57 +0000 (UTC) From: Jeff Clark Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #1491 B I'm going to make note of this book Mark it sounds interesting and definitely describes Joni. I'm getting tangled up in Joni posts, but someone sent a link to Joni's I Don't Know Where I Stand and hearing that guitar reminded me of Joni saying that that particular guitar was sold to her from a soldier who had been in Vietnam and that schrapnel hit it. I believe she recorded her first six albums with this particular Martin guitar, which to me has the most complex, extraordinary qualities. I always think of it as the guitar equivalent of a Stradivarious violin. Apparently while she was hanging in the Canyon all those people had the best guitars available and hers still stood out. Add to that her exotic tunings and flawless playing and it becomes mesmerizing. Its another of those serendipitous, synchronistic events that was going on in her life at that early period. Perhaps she'll tell more about it in Vignettes. I also really like how Streisand and Marvin Hamlisch do that song. It lends itself to piano particularly well. Jeff On Saturday, November 29, 2014 8:01 PM, JMDL Digest wrote: JMDL DigestB B B Saturday, November 29 2014B B B Volume 2014 : Number 1491 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: - -------- B Re: Joni in VultureB B B B B B B B B B ["Mark" ] - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2014 13:53:08 -0800 From: "Mark" Subject: Re: Joni in Vulture I didn't see the particular comment so I am just making inferences here from what Mary wrote.B I have been reading a book called 'Outliers' by Malcolm Gladwell.B It is all about how extraordinarily successful people have usually been given more than genius or exceptional ability of some kind to get to where they are.B At one point he says that Bill Gates was born at the right time in history to be able to utilize his genius for computer programming and technology to get to where he is now.B The advances in computer technology were ripe for the development of the personal computer, the internet and all the rest when Gates began to put his ability to work. He was also born into a family that had the means to send him to Seattle's prestigious Lakeside School and connections with the University of Washington gave him and Paul Allen access to a computer that had the ability to share programming time.B So they were able to practice their programming skills, spending hours at the UW, totally immersed in their obsession. I can see the parallel.B Joni came along when cultural shifts had created an environment that was ready to embrace her persona and music.B She had put in all of that time playing the coffee houses and working those circuits to practice her art so that by the time she recorded 'Song To a Seagull' she already had a considerable catalog of songs and had become an accomplished guitarist and singer.B She landed in Laurel Canyon with a record contract. Later, Russ Kunkel suggested she should use jazz musicians to play her unconventional music.B Someone told her about the L.A. Express.B When she was looking for a bass player to give her the sounds she wanted, someone told her about Jaco.B She was in the right place to interact with people who would point her toward the musical elements she needed.B She had the genius, but had she been born ten years earlier, or never had the chance to develop it, and if events had not lined up in a certain way, that genius might never have blossomed or have been discovered. Mark in Seattle - - -----Original Message----- From: Gerald Kent Sent: Friday, November 28, 2014 9:54 PM To: Mary Cc: jmdl Subject: Re: Joni in Vulture Mary, were they comparing Joni to the role Gertrude Stein had in 1920's Paris?B I have seen that comparison before a number of years ago. Interesting, but I think Mama Cass would better fit the comparison.B Gerry Sent from my iPad > On Nov 28, 2014, at 12:33 PM, Mary wrote: > > Joni on TS being squelched from that movie. Ouch, some of the comments are > quite harsh. Joni IS a genius, but we forget, some....not many.....some > people > don't care for her.B I thought it was interesting just to read some other > point of views. I like the long comment that likens Joni's life times in > the > epicenter of LA like being in Paris during the 20's - being in the right > place > at the right time & being a part of it all, and contributing to great > musical > history. The commenter said it better. > > http://www.vulture.com/2014/11/joni-mitchell-doesnt-want-tswift-to-play-her.h > tml?mid=rss?mid=vulturelatest > >B B GREETINGS FROM THE TRIPLE MB Down a gravel road, where the barb wire > meets the sky.B B B MARY M. MORRIS - ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2014 #1491 ****************************** - ------- To post messages to the list,sendtojoni@smoe.org. 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