From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #401 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Website:http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe:mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, November 29 2014 Volume 2014 : Number 401 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #1477 [FMYFL@aol.com] Which Joni song [Jeff Clark ] Re: Joni disses Looking Glass song "Brandy" [Jeff Clark ] Re: Joni in Vulture [Moni Kellermann ] Joni Mitchell - I Don't Know Where I Stand - Concert Unknown (AKA Germany 1968) - YouTube [Sharon Watkins ] Re: Joni in Vulture [Gerald Kent ] Re: Joni, Taylor Swift, etc. [kbhla@fastmail.fm] RE: Joni in Vulture [Mary ] Re: Joni disses Looking Glass song "Brandy" [Bob Muller ] Re: Love has many faces ["Paul Meyer-strom" ] Re: Joni, Taylor Swift, etc. [Gerald Kent ] Re: Joni, Taylor Swift, etc. [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: lyrics to shine ["Susan E. McNamara" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2014 07:45:26 -0500 From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #1477 That's bull Laura. Taylor does have talent. She might not have the artistic songwriting skills that Joni does, Taylor has have a beautiful voice, and she's not stuck in the 60's and 70's. I still love you though Laura :) xoxo Jimmy In a message dated 11/29/2014 2:34:53 AM Eastern Standard Time, owner-joni-digest@smoe.org writes: > Even though the subject of this post has Joni content, Taylor Swift > doesn't. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2014 01:17:56 +0000 (UTC) From: Jeff Clark Subject: Which Joni song <>B Song, its definitely Both Sides Now, Judy Collins' version. For the Roses is probably the album I have listened to the most in the past 5 years. Incredible writing. I was just reading the Rolling Stone review of that album a few days ago. If anyone has never read that review, you should. The review itself is incredibly written. It seems like no critics can write like that anymore.Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 21:09:57 +0000 (UTC) From: Jeff Clark Subject: Re: Joni disses Looking Glass song "Brandy" B No, that came from her recent interview with the London Times. I regret sending that post. I was wondering a bit why she was picking on A Horse with No Name after all these years, and then I guess wondering what else from early 70's AM radio she had a problem with. People used to confuse Seals and Crofts with CSN and of couse lots of people thought AHWNN was by Neil. I wonder how many people bought Harvest thinking AHWNN was on it. I would love to see her karaoke version of it. Isn't there a little bit of Brandy in Joni via Cactus Tree and The Dawntreader? I know Joni started with the folk movement with its earnest lyrics but she appreciates humor too. She sang Boney Maroni and has that Saturday Night Fish Fry song on her music that matters CD. She's just been so serious lately. Joni said one time she dosen't want to be known as the Dorothy Parker or Truman Capote of her generation, and I know she wants to be nice, but its fun to see a little of her bitchiness seap out once in a while. btw they play the Black Keys all the time around here. I haven't seen them yet but the Counting Crows are coming next week and I think I'm going. Jeff On Friday, November 28, 2014 10:31 AM, Bob Muller wrote: Well, I was never a Tony Orlando & Dawn fan but those other 2 are money in my book. Brandy is one of my go-to karaoke songs, good story and an awesome bridge. Pure, perfect pop. One of the first vinyls I picked up was Seals & Crofts Greatest Hits and I wore it out. I haven't seen the Tavis interview yet, I'm assuming this quote came from that? Bob NP: The Black Keys, "In Time" B From: Jeff Clark To: "joni@smoe.org" Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2014 8:21 PM Subject: Joni disses Looking Glass song "Brandi" And also Seals and Crofts "Summer Breeze" and says the vocal harmonizing on Tony Orlando and Dawns "Knock Three Times"B is insipid. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2014 08:22:26 +0200 From: ingrid lochrenberg Subject: Joni and the internet It must be trying for Joni to read what people say about her all over the place, including things I have said here on the list. I dread to think of embarrassing her-it's bad enough to have embarrassed myself . I wonder if she really would hold back from saying that Taylor Swift has no talent of she thought this, which I bet she might well think. I think that unlike other celebrities she feels entitled to express herself on matters as any other person would do. Possibly this is also why she'd rather not be consulted on her views as they are public domain and yet they are truthfully hers. I also think that she probably spent so little time on writing het music and lyrics and that's why she finds the attention and veneration she receives so annoying. I wonder how much of an effort the creative process was for her. It more likely was the honing of her guitar skills and the build up to performances that took effort. Sent from my Windows Phone ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 19:57:59 +0100 From: Moni Kellermann Subject: Re: Joni in Vulture Am 28.11.2014 um 18:52 schrieb Anita Gabrielle: > Hi Mary > The link doesn't seem to work >> http://www.vulture.com/2014/11/joni-mitchell-doesnt-want-tswift-to-play-her.h >> tml?mid=rss?mid=vulturelatest You can tell that it's broken, no need to click :) It happens because people either insist on using HTML-formatted mail because it's so nice to have those smileys or because they are unaware of the format altogether. In any case, the mailing list here converts the HTML mail into plain-text format and that's where the link breaks. You need to join those two text parts above, so you'll get a .html document. You can also neglect the part after the .html because that's just tracking where the link was clicked from. Which all means that the link is http://www.vulture.com/2014/11/joni-mitchell-doesnt-want-tswift-to-play-her.html moni k. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 09:26:59 -0600 From: Sharon Watkins Subject: Joni Mitchell - I Don't Know Where I Stand - Concert Unknown (AKA Germany 1968) - YouTube Re: JMDL Digest V2014#1459 Jeff Clark, Regarding Joni's re-tunings, I've always loved this one. She starts playing the song, hears a subtle tuning error, then stops and retunes on the fly. She is amazing to me, as my untrained musical ear never even detected anything awry! First time I heard it, I kept thinking, how in the world does she know something is off? https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xatqCiiXGEw Sent from my iPhone ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 23:20:33 +0000 From: Anita Gabrielle Subject: Which Joni song has been a life changer (if any)? I was reading Malka Marom's super book recently and she says that after hearing "I Had A King" she left her husband. I just wondered if anyone on JMDL had a similar life changer. I think there are several songs of Joni that have been life changing for me in terms of ideas and insights, but one that actually affected what I did was "Trouble Child" which helped me to realise that feeling isolated was part of the human condition: "Why does it come as such a shock To know you really have no-one. Only a river of changing faces Looking for an ocean" I was fairly reliant on antidepressants at the time and I started to move into looking at more alternative ways of managing my feelings. It remained a long haul, but it started to change my thinking. Anyone else had anything similar? Anita ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2014 02:15:30 +0000 (UTC) From: anne madden Subject: Fifth Estate - Jian Ghomeshi Watching Special on CBC about Ghomeshi's downfall.B How ironic that CBC, Ghomeshi's employee is airing the show.B There was a clip from the Joni interview.B Show will be repeated tomorrow night. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2014 00:54:47 -0500 From: Gerald Kent Subject: Re: Joni in Vulture Mary, were they comparing Joni to the role Gertrude Stein had in 1920's Paris? I have seen that comparison before a number of years ago. Interesting, but I think Mama Cass would better fit the comparison. Gerry Sent from my iPad > On Nov 28, 2014, at 12:33 PM, Mary wrote: > > Joni on TS being squelched from that movie. Ouch, some of the comments are > quite harsh. Joni IS a genius, but we forget, some....not many.....some people > don't care for her. I thought it was interesting just to read some other > point of views. I like the long comment that likens Joni's life times in the > epicenter of LA like being in Paris during the 20's - being in the right place > at the right time & being a part of it all, and contributing to great musical > history. The commenter said it better. > > http://www.vulture.com/2014/11/joni-mitchell-doesnt-want-tswift-to-play-her.h > tml?mid=rss?mid=vulturelatest > > GREETINGS FROM THE TRIPLE M Down a gravel road, where the barb wire > meets the sky. MARY M. MORRIS ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 15:13:51 -0800 From: kbhla@fastmail.fm Subject: Re: Joni, Taylor Swift, etc. Not so much frustrated but highly curious why quotes of Joni from over a year ago are now being systematically sent out to all media now. I worked in publicity/marketing in an earlier life and it is plain to see that this was originally a press release "blasted out" to several outlets - most likely by a PR clearinghouse service. Nearly every one of these articles is worded the same. I wonder who/what entity is sending these out now and what is the motive? I also interpreted Joni's statement as a comment on the project and not at all meant to diss Taylor Swift. Unfortunately, some people are taking it as an affront to Swift and making comments how Joni is being so "bitter" and "difficult" and clueless as to how much Swift could help her introduce her back catalog to an audience of young listeners, etc., etc. Poor Joni - "if only she would play the Hollywood game like a good girl" instead of being so honest in her opinion about a proposed project about her own life. Kakki > Is anyone, other than me, getting frustrated with all the recent buzz > about Joni "dissing" Taylor Swift regarding the Girls Like Us movie? I > do not believe Joni was dissing Taylor. She was saying she squelched the > movie because the producers were only interested in gossip and high cheek > bones. It was a comment on the project, not Swift. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 10:37:10 -0800 From: Mary Subject: RE: Joni in Vulture Apologize for this. The link was mailed to me & it worked yesterday. Try going to Vulture site. On the top right hand side of topics is "Taylor Swift". Click on that & scroll down, you will see the Joni vs. TS short article and many comments. (which is the interesting part, to me ) GREETINGS FROM THE TRIPLE M Down a gravel road, where the barb wire meets the sky. MARY M. MORRIS Subject: Re: Joni in Vulture From: simon@icu.com Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 13:27:02 -0500 CC: joni2city@hotmail.com To: lawntreader@googlemail.com On Nov 28, 2014, at 12:52 PM, Anita Gabrielle wrote: Hi MaryThe link doesn't seem to work - just says Vulture, but page not found. Be interested to read it if possible, thanks, Anita On 28 Nov 2014, at 17:33, Mary wrote: Joni on TS being squelched from that movie. Ouch, some of the comments are quite harsh. Joni IS a genius,but we forget, some....not many.....some people don't care for her. I thought it was interesting just to readsome other point of views. I like the long comment that likens Joni's life times in the epicenter of LA like beingin Paris during the 20's - being in the right place at the right time & being a part of it all, and contributing to greatmusical history. The commenter said it better. http://www.vulture.com/2014/11/joni-mitchell-doesnt-want-tswift-to-play-her.h tml?mid=rss?mid=vulturelatest GREETINGS FROM THE TRIPLE M Down a gravel road, where the barb wiremeets the sky. MARY M. MORRIS Anita, This problem occurs with URLs that wrap, or extend over -2- lines. Try the following Link. If clicking on it doesnt work, cutnpast everything between the red brackets. Hope this helps. AndSoItGoes,- - - - - - - -simonM ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 15:31:38 +0000 (UTC) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Joni disses Looking Glass song "Brandy" Well, I was never a Tony Orlando & Dawn fan but those other 2 are money in my book. Brandy is one of my go-to karaoke songs, good story and an awesome bridge. Pure, perfect pop. One of the first vinyls I picked up was Seals & Crofts Greatest Hits and I wore it out. I haven't seen the Tavis interview yet, I'm assuming this quote came from that? Bob NP: The Black Keys, "In Time" B From: Jeff Clark To: "joni@smoe.org" Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2014 8:21 PM Subject: Joni disses Looking Glass song "Brandi" And also Seals and Crofts "Summer Breeze" and says the vocal harmonizing on Tony Orlando and Dawns "Knock Three Times"B is insipid. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 12:02:32 -0800 From: "Paul Meyer-strom" Subject: Re: Love has many faces Very moving message. Thanks. I am delighted with Love Has Many Faces also. I hear a significant improvement in the remasters, the technicalities are way over my head, but the music sounds richer, clearer. I listened to A Case of You and it's as if you can hear each guitar string. I resisted getting the new boxed set but gave in, and am glad I did. Paul - -------------------------------------------------- From: "Oddmund Kaarevik" Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2014 1:57 AM To: ; "Anita G" Subject: Love has many faces > Last night > - listening to - I think > CD number 2 of "Love has many faces" > I found myself crying at the track > "Tax free." > It came as a huge surprise. > It never touched me in such a way before. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 12:53:07 -0800 From: "Paul Meyer-strom" Subject: Re: Love has many faces dulcimer, sorry. - -------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul Meyer-strom" Sent: Friday, November 28, 2014 12:02 PM To: "Oddmund Kaarevik" ; ; "Anita G" Subject: Re: Love has many faces > Very moving message. Thanks. > > I am delighted with Love Has Many Faces also. I hear a significant > improvement in the remasters, the technicalities are way over my head, but > the music sounds richer, clearer. I listened to A Case of You and it's as > if you can hear each guitar string. I resisted getting the new boxed set > but gave in, and am glad I did. > > Paul > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Oddmund Kaarevik" > Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2014 1:57 AM > To: ; "Anita G" > Subject: Love has many faces > >> Last night >> - listening to - I think >> CD number 2 of "Love has many faces" >> I found myself crying at the track >> "Tax free." >> It came as a huge surprise. >> It never touched me in such a way before. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2014 00:56:43 -0500 From: Gerald Kent Subject: Re: Joni, Taylor Swift, etc. Sent from my iPad > On Nov 28, 2014, at 10:54 PM, kbhla@fastmail.fm wrote: > > You are right, Jimmy - Joni might dig at some of her peers but she would > never say Taylor has no talent. That is terrible if that is how the > media is extrapolating what she originally said. > > I was thinking tonight it is probably a very good and wise thing in > some ways for Joni that she doesn't peruse the internet or social > media, has only some old landline wall phone in the kitchen without an > answering machine and only uses her new iPhone to snap photos! I would > go nuts if I was a public figure, especially an artist, and had to read > such cr*p about me! > > Kakki > > >> On Fri, Nov 28, 2014, at 05:23 PM, FMYFL@aol.com wrote: >> I agree Kakster :) > Don't know why this is just now coming out on the news. This is old, but > it was on the news again today. Joni saying Taylor has high cheekbones, > but no talent. Joni wouldn't say that. It's just marketing bull. > xoxo > Jimmy > In a message dated 11/28/2014 6:26:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, > kbhla@fastmail.fm writes: >> >>> Not so much frustrated but highly curious why quotes of Joni >>> from over a > year ago are now being systematically sent out to all media now. I > worked in publicity/marketing in an earlier life and it is plain to see > that this was originally a press release "blasted out" to several > outlets - most likely by a PR clearinghouse service. > > -- > > kbhla@fastmail.fm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 20:23:27 -0500 From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni, Taylor Swift, etc. I agree Kakster :) Don't know why this is just now coming out on the news. This is old, but it was on the news again today. Joni saying Taylor has high cheekbones, but no talent. Joni wouldn't say that. It's just marketing bull. xoxo Jimmy In a message dated 11/28/2014 6:26:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, kbhla@fastmail.fm writes: > Not so much frustrated but highly curious why quotes of Joni from over a > year ago are now being systematically sent out to all media now. I > worked in publicity/marketing in an earlier life and it is plain to see > that this was originally a press release "blasted out" to several > outlets - most likely by a PR clearinghouse service. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 11:38:00 +0000 From: "Susan E. McNamara" Subject: Re: lyrics to shine Thank you so much Ingrid ... That was so beautiful and helpful to me. Love Sue Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 26, 2014, at 3:09 AM, "ingrid lochrenberg" wrote: > > Imagine walking on a beach, astonished at the light colouring the grains of > sand. The sea pushing half-moons of water up onto the beach.....feeling the > wind, your isolation, having seagulls flying overhead...seeing them turn their > heads to look at you, them catching one's eye.........feeling seen, and being > overwhelmed at their freedom to fly on. Coming across shapes and colours on > the beach..... seeing the play of light as the water recedes....the slant of > the sand......captivated by the bubbles on the surface...wondering about the > eye contact with the seagull. ...feeling despair and dreams starting to > intermingle as emerse yoursself into the timelessness of the beach. > Then imagine being there with someone who launches into a scientific and > historical description of each shell, giving one their latin name, describing > their lifecycles, telling one who named them......which university classified > them into which category....in which era....as you walk they tell you that > gravity is responsible for the tides washing in. You're happy that Kepler was > denounced as a mystic. But the explanation goes on: the history of > universities.....the wonders of progress and knowledge, the necessity to have > work ethic and contribute ....time to go back and face the endless lectures > amid the ambitious students, knuckling down, noses in their books....getting > drunk at night....inconsistent value systems....akward social occasions, the > pretentiousness that constitutes the communication between students, the > laughter that lacks conviction because one knows real magic has been left > behind. But through it all, the dedication to doing the work that will get > you through. All the chaos gets resolved into a chosen career. Somehow > ambitions have been formulated.....law, medicine, computer programmers.....the > ends which makes eveything make sense.....the tedium of the alternative, > working away at a job where a cigarette break may bring meaning to your life. > The incomprehension of what a surgeon is actually doing with his > intelligence...the procedures, the hospital environment, the ruthlessness all > around. CEO's and their goals.....selling more potato chips, the distribution > networks, the margins, the commodity cycles that get you down....the > secretaries that hold all the chaos together. The disciplines with their > conflicting approaches to the world leaving one feeling so confused... The > sundays that leave the entire working world experiencing the blues.....the > slow progress towards demise, the depressions that are avoided.The clever > monetary system designed by the intelligent that absolve the intelligent from > any work but gambling on futures or on others. The astronomers and the > astrophysicists and the particle physicists that may think knowledge will lead > to a final explanation. The herbalists and the playwrights and the zoologists > and the chefs and finally, the sisters of mercy. > A madman ditches all this...all the rational scientific explanations of his > conception and his purpose that are as vacuous as the word gravity....the > madman relishes the wonderful inexplicable action-at-a-distance because it > confuses everyone else until they settle on the word gravity...but that is > just an inner delight. The madman ditches all sentence structure if it means > freedom from being assailed by explanation after explanation that merely > serves to explain away everything. If the madman drinks coffee he is delighted > and astonished that it was offered to him when he was just thinking about it. > No amount of economic, historic, geographic, agricultural information will > pursuade him that this taste of coffee isn't miraculous. Neither does he want > to hear a word about it ...he is savoring his coffee and he knows that every > single explanation merely describes the passage of time..The coffee may as > well have been created just for him. In fact it came out of a bottle and water > was added and such was the creation of it.... The madman won't be lamenting > about who grows the coffee where and who works at it and who doesn't get paid > enough, the madman just knows it as a gift and as he knows he certainly won't > be working for it - he'd rather be idle , marvelling at the sun shining down > on him, the stars that would rather not be named, in constellations of their > own choice. The color of the flowers.....emanating from a brown > earth....there will be no explanation that will take away his astonishment. > Explanations stand between the profound, grand, simplicity of creation and the > incredulous madman. They are neither here nor there. It is a bigger > contribution to stand in absolute awe of creation,...to marvel at the words > escaping from ones'mouth...everything striking one as revelatory.....his mad > laughter that sometimes accompanies his perceptions about the paradoxical > world being explained alarms those whose neural circuits can't handle it. He > is too intense, his observations are too obviouss, things are being described > in a way that is rendering everything too absurd. He has excess dopamine and > he will be brought into line. If he has the imagination to think his enemies > should contemplate posioning him he is paranoid. No matter, the psychiatrists > will take over. The simplicity of his life, no career, no money, no clothes, > no status, no choice is nothing compared to the gift of experiencing onesself > and the universe first-hand......every explanation merely treads water with > the process it is explaining...it will change with the fashions and the > paradigms of the day......at every change which miraculusly accompanies the > flow of time the madman will be overcome with astonishment . He might just as > well start with the word, (coffee), and end with the taste of it in his mouth. > Nothing can explain away ones' existence and nothing can explain away the > universe.......so the madman is left coping with it, in his poverty..Sometimes > he is grandiose and he thinks he is Joni Mitchells daughter. Sometimes he is > coherent enough to communicate again. > Anyway, I think that in Shine Joni Mitchell is alluding to the madmen's > simplistic universe as being an attempt to bring some sanity back to the > world, but that it mostly leaves one incoherent. So she says, I suppose in > comfort but maybe also in hope, let your little lights shine..... ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #401 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here:mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe