From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #400 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Website:http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe:mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, November 29 2014 Volume 2014 : Number 400 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni in Vulture [Anita Gabrielle ] Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #1465 [Laurie Antonioli ] =?utf-8?B?UmU6IEpvbmksIFRheWxvciBTd2lmdCwgZXRjLg==?= ["=?utf-8?B?Z3BrbTYy] =?utf-8?B?UmU6IEpvbmkgZGlzc2VzIExvb2tpbmcgR2xhc3Mgc29uZyAiQnJhb mR5Ig==?= ["=?utf-8?B?Z3BrbTYyMDhAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ=?=" ] Joni in Vulture [Mary ] Re: Taylor Swift [Laura Stanley ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 17:52:32 +0000 From: Anita Gabrielle Subject: Re: Joni in Vulture Hi Mary The link doesn't seem to work - just says Vulture, but page not found. Be interested to read it if possible, thanks, Anita > On 28 Nov 2014, at 17:33, Mary wrote: > > Joni on TS being squelched from that movie. Ouch, some of the comments are > quite harsh. Joni IS a genius, but we forget, some....not many.....some people > don't care for her. I thought it was interesting just to read some other > point of views. I like the long comment that likens Joni's life times in the > epicenter of LA like being in Paris during the 20's - being in the right place > at the right time & being a part of it all, and contributing to great musical > history. The commenter said it better. > > http://www.vulture.com/2014/11/joni-mitchell-doesnt-want-tswift-to-play-her.h > tml?mid=rss?mid=vulturelatest > > GREETINGS FROM THE TRIPLE M Down a gravel road, where the barb wire > meets the sky. MARY M. MORRIS ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 18:49:27 -0500 From: Laurie Antonioli Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #1465 I could never name just one Joni song that changed my life, however, I think the album that had the deepest impact might be "For the Roses" -- it was the one that hit me when I was developing into a woman and, probably also developing into an artist - at 14 I was writing at least a song or two each week. Three songs from that album are on "Songs of Shadow, Songs of Light" and I wanted to do "Banquet" and "Electricity" but opted to find material from other records. Actually, Matt Clark told me I needed to "move on" to some of the other albums. : ) Laurie On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 6:20 PM, JMDL Digest wrote: > > JMDL Digest Friday, November 28 2014 Volume 2014 : Number > 1465 > > > > ========== > > TOPICS and authors in this Digest: > -------- > Which Joni song has been a life changer (if any)? [Anita Gabrielle > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 23:20:33 +0000 > From: Anita Gabrielle > Subject: Which Joni song has been a life changer (if any)? > > I was reading Malka Marom's super book recently and she says that after > hearing "I Had A King" she left her husband. I just wondered if anyone on > JMDL had a similar life changer. > > I think there are several songs of Joni that have been life changing for > me in terms of ideas and insights, but one that actually affected what I > did was "Trouble Child" which helped me to realise that feeling isolated > was part of the human condition: > > "Why does it come as such a shock > To know you really have no-one. > Only a river of changing faces > Looking for an ocean" > > I was fairly reliant on antidepressants at the time and I started to move > into looking at more alternative ways of managing my feelings. It remained > a long haul, but it started to change my thinking. Anyone else had anything > similar? > Anita > > ------------------------------ > > End of JMDL Digest V2014 #1465 > ****************************** > > ------- > To post messages to the list,sendtojoni@smoe.org. > Unsubscribe by clicking here: > mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe > ------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 21:01:14 -0500 From: "=?utf-8?B?Z3BrbTYyMDhAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ=?=" Subject: =?utf-8?B?UmU6IEpvbmksIFRheWxvciBTd2lmdCwgZXRjLg==?= Very well said Kakki. Thanks for your thoughts. Gerry Sent from my HTC - ----- Reply message ----- From: kbhla@fastmail.fm To: Subject: Joni, Taylor Swift, etc. Date: Fri, Nov 28, 2014 6:13 PM Not so much frustrated but highly curious why quotes of Joni from over a year ago are now being systematically sent out to all media now. I worked in publicity/marketing in an earlier life and it is plain to see that this was originally a press release "blasted out" to several outlets - most likely by a PR clearinghouse service. Nearly every one of these articles is worded the same. I wonder who/what entity is sending these out now and what is the motive? I also interpreted Joni's statement as a comment on the project and not at all meant to diss Taylor Swift. Unfortunately, some people are taking it as an affront to Swift and making comments how Joni is being so "bitter" and "difficult" and clueless as to how much Swift could help her introduce her back catalog to an audience of young listeners, etc., etc. Poor Joni - "if only she would play the Hollywood game like a good girl" instead of being so honest in her opinion about a proposed project about her own life. Kakki > Is anyone, other than me, getting frustrated with all the recent buzz > about Joni "dissing" Taylor Swift regarding the Girls Like Us movie? I > do not believe Joni was dissing Taylor. She was saying she squelched the > movie because the producers were only interested in gossip and high cheek > bones. It was a comment on the project, not Swift. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 17:44:05 -0500 From: "=?utf-8?B?Z3BrbTYyMDhAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ=?=" Subject: =?utf-8?B?UmU6IEpvbmkgZGlzc2VzIExvb2tpbmcgR2xhc3Mgc29uZyAiQnJhb mR5Ig==?= Is anyone, other than me, getting frustrated with all the recent buzz about Joni "dissing" Taylor Swift regarding the Girls Like Us movie? I do not believe Joni was dissing Taylor. She was saying she squelched the movie because the producers were only interested in gossip and high cheek bones. It was a comment on the project, not Swift. Sent from my HTC - ----- Reply message ----- From: "Jeff Clark" To: "Bob Muller" , "joni@smoe.org" Subject: Joni disses Looking Glass song "Brandy" Date: Fri, Nov 28, 2014 4:09 PM B No, that came from her recent interview with the London Times. I regret sending that post. I was wondering a bit why she was picking on A Horse with No Name after all these years, and then I guess wondering what else from early 70's AM radio she had a problem with. People used to confuse Seals and Crofts with CSN and of couse lots of people thought AHWNN was by Neil. I wonder how many people bought Harvest thinking AHWNN was on it. I would love to see her karaoke version of it. Isn't there a little bit of Brandy in Joni via Cactus Tree and The Dawntreader? I know Joni started with the folk movement with its earnest lyrics but she appreciates humor too. She sang Boney Maroni and has that Saturday Night Fish Fry song on her music that matters CD. She's just been so serious lately. Joni said one time she dosen't want to be known as the Dorothy Parker or Truman Capote of her generation, and I know she wants to be nice, but its fun to see a little of her bitchiness seap out once in a while. btw they play the Black Keys all the time around here. I haven't seen them yet but the Counting Crows are coming next week and I think I'm going. Jeff On Friday, November 28, 2014 10:31 AM, Bob Muller wrote: Well, I was never a Tony Orlando & Dawn fan but those other 2 are money in my book. Brandy is one of my go-to karaoke songs, good story and an awesome bridge. Pure, perfect pop. One of the first vinyls I picked up was Seals & Crofts Greatest Hits and I wore it out. I haven't seen the Tavis interview yet, I'm assuming this quote came from that? Bob NP: The Black Keys, "In Time" B From: Jeff Clark To: "joni@smoe.org" Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2014 8:21 PM Subject: Joni disses Looking Glass song "Brandi" And also Seals and Crofts "Summer Breeze" and says the vocal harmonizing on Tony Orlando and Dawns "Knock Three Times"B is insipid. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 19:54:08 -0800 From: kbhla@fastmail.fm Subject: Re: Joni, Taylor Swift, etc. You are right, Jimmy - Joni might dig at some of her peers but she would never say Taylor has no talent. That is terrible if that is how the media is extrapolating what she originally said. I was thinking tonight it is probably a very good and wise thing in some ways for Joni that she doesn't peruse the internet or social media, has only some old landline wall phone in the kitchen without an answering machine and only uses her new iPhone to snap photos! I would go nuts if I was a public figure, especially an artist, and had to read such cr*p about me! Kakki On Fri, Nov 28, 2014, at 05:23 PM, FMYFL@aol.com wrote: > I agree Kakster :) > > Don't know why this is just now coming out on the news. This is old, but it was on the news again today. Joni saying Taylor has high cheekbones, but no talent. Joni wouldn't say that. It's just marketing bull. > > xoxo > Jimmy > > In a message dated 11/28/2014 6:26:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, kbhla@fastmail.fm writes: > >> Not so much frustrated but highly curious why quotes of Joni >> from over a >> year ago are now being systematically sent out to all media now. I >> worked in publicity/marketing in an earlier life and it is plain to see >> that this was originally a press release "blasted out" to several >> outlets - most likely by a PR clearinghouse service. - -- kbhla@fastmail.fm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 12:55:02 +0000 From: Mike B Subject: RE: crabbiness I agree, Jeff. In the last 10 or so years I've dreaded Joni interviews. The dissing of fellow musicians is completely out of order, and the moaning about the state of music nowadays is cliched and uninformed. Re Paul Simon, the assumption that he would have imitated her is preposterous. When Joni's 'great big ego' was channelled into her music it produced some magnificent art, but without that creativity it becomes sheer arrogance. I do love Joni's music, and as an artist I still find her somewhere between intriguing and fascinating, but aspects of her personality are very uncomfortable. That said, beyond the ugly dissing, her bristling rivalry with Dylan is interesting. It's a one-way rivalry, by the looks of it, and I think goes beyond Joni's fragile ego and must have a lot to do with the sexism that's surrounded her throughout her career, seen even in their unequal admiration: Joni, up to fairly recently, always expressed respect for Dylan and acknowledged her debt to him, and her cover of It's all over now Baby Blue was a fulsome tribute. Dylan never seems to have reciprocated (beyond an early cover of BYT!), which Joni may have increasingly felt as a rejection, in the 'icy altitudes' of the male-dominated music scene, and all too typical of the male diminishing of her achievements. Still, Dylan's unlikely to come out with anything too generous about her now... :) Happy thanksgiving to you all, Stateside. Michel > > Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 19:19:09 +0000 (UTC) > From: Jeff Clark > Subject: Joni Mitchell > > I wish Joni didn't sound quite so crabby in all these interviews. SheB reminds > me of Lucy in Charlie Brown. Bob Dylan's not that bad. And I really don't > think Paul Simon is all that influenced by her. Anyway, Happy Thanksgiving > everyone.JeffB NP: kd lang, After the Goldrush > > ------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 09:33:23 -0800 From: Mary Subject: Joni in Vulture Joni on TS being squelched from that movie. Ouch, some of the comments are quite harsh. Joni IS a genius, but we forget, some....not many.....some people don't care for her. I thought it was interesting just to read some other point of views. I like the long comment that likens Joni's life times in the epicenter of LA like being in Paris during the 20's - being in the right place at the right time & being a part of it all, and contributing to great musical history. The commenter said it better. http://www.vulture.com/2014/11/joni-mitchell-doesnt-want-tswift-to-play-her.h tml?mid=rss?mid=vulturelatest GREETINGS FROM THE TRIPLE M Down a gravel road, where the barb wire meets the sky. MARY M. MORRIS ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2014 01:24:13 -0600 From: Laura Stanley Subject: Re: Taylor Swift Thus saith somebody that Joni said, "Taylor has high cheekbones, but no talent." I would have to agree with the talent part of this statement in comparison to Joni. In the realm of talent, there is really no comparison. As far as if Joni said this or didn't, who cares? Even though the subject of this post has Joni content, Taylor Swift doesn't. Love, Laura NP: https://m.soundcloud.com/westernson/everything-has-changed-by Sent from my iPhone ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #400 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here:mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe