From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #399 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Website:http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe:mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Friday, November 28 2014 Volume 2014 : Number 399 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Leaked: New artwork/poster for the LHMF box-set! [Anita Gabrielle ] 18th variation from Rhapsody on a Theme of Paganini [ingrid lochrenberg <] Happy Thanksgiving!!! [Michael Paz ] Leaked: New artwork/poster for the LHMF box-set! [Moni Kellermann ] Joni disses Looking Glass song "Brandi" [Jeff Clark ] Re: the onstage guitar quandary [Anita Gabrielle ] Re: Joni on Morning Joe [Phyliss ] lyrics to 'shine' [ingrid lochrenberg ] New Library item: The Israeli singer who discovered Joni Mitchell: A glimpse back, three decades on [] Fwd: This has what to do with the Joni Mitchell discussion list? [Victor ] Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #1459 [Jeff Clark ] Re: PBS Tavis Smiley interview (download link) ["Susan E. McNamara" Subject: Re: Leaked: New artwork/poster for the LHMF box-set! Wow, Moni, how do you find this stuff? This is SO cool! I forgot it's Thanksgiving in the US. Like Michael, I'd like to wish you all the very,very best to you all on this special day for you. Though not an unusual day here, I am joining you by giving thanks for my blessings and to be part of JMDL. This is a great present from Moni on Thanksgiving Day, at least in my book! Anita xx > On 27 Nov 2014, at 19:08, Moni Kellermann wrote: > > Leaked: http://i.imgur.com/9VmpJ4s.jpg > > I like her new haircut! > > Enjoy! > > moni k. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2014 22:31:16 -0800 From: "Mark" Subject: Re: lyrics to shine I've been meaning to write and say how much I enjoyed this beautiful piece of writing, Ingrid. It reminds me of some of Virginia Woolf's writing. The beautiful descriptions of how thoughts flow in and out of each other. Thank you for sharing it. Mark in Seattle - -----Original Message----- From: ingrid lochrenberg Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 12:03 AM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: lyrics to shine Imagine walking on a beach, astonished at the light colouring the grains of sand. The sea pushing half-moons of water up onto the beach.....feeling the wind, your isolation, having seagulls flying overhead...seeing them turn their heads to look at you, them catching one's eye.........feeling seen, and being overwhelmed at their freedom to fly on. Coming across shapes and colours on the beach..... seeing the play of light as the water recedes....the slant of the sand......captivated by the bubbles on the surface...wondering about the eye contact with the seagull. ...feeling despair and dreams starting to intermingle as emerse yoursself into the timelessness of the beach. Then imagine being there with someone who launches into a scientific and historical description of each shell, giving one their latin name, describing their lifecycles, telling one who named them......which university classified them into which category....in which era....as you walk they tell you that gravity is responsible for the tides washing in. You're happy that Kepler was denounced as a mystic. But the explanation goes on: the history of universities.....the wonders of progress and knowledge, the necessity to have work ethic and contribute ....time to go back and face the endless lectures amid the ambitious students, knuckling down, noses in their books....getting drunk at night....inconsistent value systems....akward social occasions, the pretentiousness that constitutes the communication between students, the laughter that lacks conviction because one knows real magic has been left behind. But through it all, the dedication to doing the work that will get you through. All the chaos gets resolved into a chosen career. Somehow ambitions have been formulated.....law, medicine, computer programmers.....the ends which makes eveything make sense.....the tedium of the alternative, working away at a job where a cigarette break may bring meaning to your life. The incomprehension of what a surgeon is actually doing with his intelligence...the procedures, the hospital environment, the ruthlessness all around. CEO's and their goals.....selling more potato chips, the distribution networks, the margins, the commodity cycles that get you down....the secretaries that hold all the chaos together. The disciplines with their conflicting approaches to the world leaving one feeling so confused... The sundays that leave the entire working world experiencing the blues.....the slow progress towards demise, the depressions that are avoided.The clever monetary system designed by the intelligent that absolve the intelligent from any work but gambling on futures or on others. The astronomers and the astrophysicists and the particle physicists that may think knowledge will lead to a final explanation. The herbalists and the playwrights and the zoologists and the chefs and finally, the sisters of mercy. A madman ditches all this...all the rational scientific explanations of his conception and his purpose that are as vacuous as the word gravity....the madman relishes the wonderful inexplicable action-at-a-distance because it confuses everyone else until they settle on the word gravity...but that is just an inner delight. The madman ditches all sentence structure if it means freedom from being assailed by explanation after explanation that merely serves to explain away everything. If the madman drinks coffee he is delighted and astonished that it was offered to him when he was just thinking about it. No amount of economic, historic, geographic, agricultural information will pursuade him that this taste of coffee isn't miraculous. Neither does he want to hear a word about it ...he is savoring his coffee and he knows that every single explanation merely describes the passage of time..The coffee may as well have been created just for him. In fact it came out of a bottle and water was added and such was the creation of it.... The madman won't be lamenting about who grows the coffee where and who works at it and who doesn't get paid enough, the madman just knows it as a gift and as he knows he certainly won't be working for it - he'd rather be idle , marvelling at the sun shining down on him, the stars that would rather not be named, in constellations of their own choice. The color of the flowers.....emanating from a brown earth....there will be no explanation that will take away his astonishment. Explanations stand between the profound, grand, simplicity of creation and the incredulous madman. They are neither here nor there. It is a bigger contribution to stand in absolute awe of creation,...to marvel at the words escaping from ones'mouth...everything striking one as revelatory.....his mad laughter that sometimes accompanies his perceptions about the paradoxical world being explained alarms those whose neural circuits can't handle it. He is too intense, his observations are too obviouss, things are being described in a way that is rendering everything too absurd. He has excess dopamine and he will be brought into line. If he has the imagination to think his enemies should contemplate posioning him he is paranoid. No matter, the psychiatrists will take over. The simplicity of his life, no career, no money, no clothes, no status, no choice is nothing compared to the gift of experiencing onesself and the universe first-hand......every explanation merely treads water with the process it is explaining...it will change with the fashions and the paradigms of the day......at every change which miraculusly accompanies the flow of time the madman will be overcome with astonishment . He might just as well start with the word, (coffee), and end with the taste of it in his mouth. Nothing can explain away ones' existence and nothing can explain away the universe.......so the madman is left coping with it, in his poverty..Sometimes he is grandiose and he thinks he is Joni Mitchells daughter. Sometimes he is coherent enough to communicate again. Anyway, I think that in Shine Joni Mitchell is alluding to the madmen's simplistic universe as being an attempt to bring some sanity back to the world, but that it mostly leaves one incoherent. So she says, I suppose in comfort but maybe also in hope, let your little lights shine..... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 05:13:30 +0200 From: ingrid lochrenberg Subject: 18th variation from Rhapsody on a Theme of Paganini http://youtu.be/bKZbvluHcNo This is what Rachmaninovs 18th Variation form a Theme on Paganini should rather sound like than what I posted a while back. This is the piece that mesmerised Joni Mitchell, and revealed what power music can have. It is exhilirating and takes up only 2min 41 seconds.Ingrid ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2014 13:05:42 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Happy Thanksgiving!!! To All my JMDL family- I am thankful for this place and the music and art of Joni Mitchell. I wish you all a blessed day and hope you are all with people that you love and enjoying the bountiful harvest or a tuna fish sandwich or whatever strikes your fancy. I have my family gathering this afternoon and Freda and I have been in the kitchen since 7am. On the menu today Baked Turkey in Butter and White Wine Cornbread Stuffing Root Beer Glazed Ham Fried Turkey Mashed Potatoes and Gravy Sweet Potatoes Green Bean Casserole Brussels Sprout Casserole Oyster Casserole Corn Casserole Creamed Onions Heavenly Hash Pumpkin Pie I have been cooking this menu for over 40 years now since I was away from home in school. Most of this is dear old moms recipes that I cook from memory even tho we have some of the recipes written in her hand. Most of my own recipes are in some word doc on a hard drive. One day I will have to sit down and write them out for my kids so that this feeling can last forever. I am so grateful for all that I have. Breaks almost over I need to get back to the kitchen and start injecting turkeys for the deep fryer. Happy Thanksgiving and love to all! Paz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2014 20:08:37 +0100 From: Moni Kellermann Subject: Leaked: New artwork/poster for the LHMF box-set! Leaked: http://i.imgur.com/9VmpJ4s.jpg I like her new haircut! Enjoy! moni k. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2014 22:33:31 -0800 From: "Mark" Subject: Re: Love has many faces It is so good to hear from you, Oddmund, and you have convinced more than ever that I have to buy this box set. Thank you and please let us hear from you more often. Mark in Seattle - -----Original Message----- From: Oddmund Kaarevik Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2014 1:57 AM To: joni@smoe.org ; Anita G Subject: Love has many faces Last night - - listening to - I think CD number 2 of "Love has many faces" I found myself crying at the track "Tax free." It came as a huge surprise. It never touched me in such a way before. Maybe I was tired after a hectic day at work. Or maybe it was something else. Joni has worked a great deal with these four acts of love or the lack of it, as she says. And just before "Taxfree" she has placed "Blue." Something I never in my wildest fantasy could do. So different - but yet - they resemble on some of the same theme. Something lost. Something gone away. And something sad. This pastor or what screaming out messages of hate. I realize now - I will never meet Joni Mitchell. It was a dream for me many years ago. But - listening to this new masterpiece. Because it I find it highly ingtriguing listening to her revisit of a long career - well it is my way of meeting her. She even dropped by a hand-written letter in the box set. I love to see Joni's own hand-writing. Because the list of disc two had been changed - and what said on the box set is wrong. In a way understand these four acts as a dialogue directly with me, the fan. What a great gift to recieve. I feel blessed - and happy to see her still active. Her paintings for the box set some of the nicest I've seen. And her music - defianetely songs from a genius. I hope the Alberta Ballet will make a Ball out of it! Dear Anita. I hope you do your paper. And that it will be accepted. Lots of love, Oddmund, Norway ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 01:21:53 +0000 (UTC) From: Jeff Clark Subject: Joni disses Looking Glass song "Brandi" And also Seals and Crofts "Summer Breaze" and says the vocal harmonizing on Tony Orlando and Dawns "Knock Three Times"B is insipid. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 15:08:37 +0000 (UTC) From: Clint Norwood Subject: Re: NO Indictment In Ferguson? NO Justice! Here here Moni. :)-Clint On Wednesday, November 26, 2014 1:49 AM, Moni Kellermann wrote: > I reiterate, what does any of this have to do with the Joni Mitchell > discussion list???? > > Sent from my iPad Dear Sent from my iPad, as you probably know, there are four different versions of this mailing list, so the question may be answered as "everything" or "nothing", depending on the list version you signed up to. A discussion of a non-Joni topic should have the NJC (No Joni Content) in the subject line. In this case someone apparently forgot it and then people simply hit the reply button. I trust my fellow listers here that this happens without the intent of disturbing the peace of the Joni-only world, so I believe we can manage and simply delete such a message. moni k. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 03:20:04 -0500 From: "=?utf-8?B?Z3BrbTYyMDhAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ=?=" Subject: =?utf-8?B?UmU6IFRoaXMgaGFzIHdoYXQgdG8gZG8gd2l0aCB0aGUgSm9uaSBNa XRjaGVsbCBk?= =?utf-8?B?aXNjdXNzaW9uIGxpc3Q/?= Thank you for standing by your post. In the spirit of Joni, again I ask, please explain the relevance, other than your personal opinion. Thanks, Gerry Sent from my HTC - ----- Reply message ----- From: simon@icu.com To: "Gerald Kent" Cc: , , "joni@smoe.org" Subject: This has what to do with the Joni Mitchell discussion list? Date: Wed, Nov 26, 2014 2:35 AM Gerald Kent wrote: > This has what to do with the Joni Mitchell discussion list???? > > Sent from my iPad Gerald, In years past, new members received a 'Welcome' message when joining the JMDL. The message began with the following: [Last updated on: Mon May 17, 19:01:29 1999] Welcome to the Joni Mitchell Discussion List - commonly called the JMDL. You are now an official "Jimdle" - a member of the unmoderated discussion of anything and everything related to the life, art, music, AND TIMES of Joni Mitchell. You are one of approximately 600 individuals subscribed to the list. The Ferguson message, various replies, and other occasional non-Joni topics are part of the AND TIMES b& as mentioned. Most of us simply read, don't read, skip over or delete any messages that are not of personal interest. For some of US police attitudes and behavior are, or can be, a matter of life and death. I stand by my original post. So what's your problem? AndSoItGoes, - - - - - - - - - simonM http://jonimitchell.com/chronology/complete.cfm http://jonimitchell.com/chronology/chronology_v4.0.pdf http://jonimitchell.com/music/InspiredByJoni_theAlbums.pdf http://jonimitchell.com/music/songsaboutjoni.cfm http://jonimitchell.com/music/inspiredbyjoni_songs.cfm http://jonimitchell.com/music/miscrecordings.cfm= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 07:51:35 -0500 From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: Re: This has what to do with the Joni Mitchell discussion =?UTF-8?Q?list=3F?= I knew the original post didn't have the NJC. But since I quoted Joni, I didn't add the NJC to my reply. I thought the reference to her lyrics was relevant. lots of love, Anne On 2014-11-26 03:20, gpkm6208@comcast.net wrote: > Thank you for standing by your post. In the spirit of Joni, again I ask, please explain the relevance, other than your personal opinion. Thanks, Gerry > > Sent from my HTC > > ----- Reply message ----- > From: simon@icu.com > To: "Gerald Kent" > Cc: , , "joni@smoe.org" > Subject: This has what to do with the Joni Mitchell discussion list? > Date: Wed, Nov 26, 2014 2:35 AM > > Gerald Kent wrote: > >> This has what to do with the Joni Mitchell discussion list???? >> >> Sent from my iPad > > Gerald, > > In years past, new members received a 'Welcome' message when joining the JMDL. > > The message began with the following: > > [Last updated on: Mon May 17, 19:01:29 1999] > > Welcome to the Joni Mitchell Discussion List - commonly called the JMDL. > > You are now an official "Jimdle" - a member of the unmoderated discussion of > anything and everything related to the life, art, music, AND TIMES of Joni > Mitchell. You are one of approximately 600 individuals subscribed to the list. > > The Ferguson message, various replies, and other occasional non-Joni topics are part of the AND TIMES ... > as mentioned. > > Most of us simply read, don't read, skip over or delete any messages that are not of personal interest. > > For some of US police attitudes and behavior are, or can be, a matter of life and death. > > I stand by my original post. > > So what's your problem? > > AndSoItGoes, > - - - - - - - - > simonM > > http://jonimitchell.com/chronology/complete.cfm [1] > > http://jonimitchell.com/chronology/chronology_v4.0.pdf [2] > > http://jonimitchell.com/music/InspiredByJoni_theAlbums.pdf [3] > > http://jonimitchell.com/music/songsaboutjoni.cfm [4] > > http://jonimitchell.com/music/inspiredbyjoni_songs.cfm [5] > > http://jonimitchell.com/music/miscrecordings.cfm= [6] Links: - ------ [1] http://jonimitchell.com/chronology/complete.cfm [2] http://jonimitchell.com/chronology/chronology_v4.0.pdf [3] http://jonimitchell.com/music/InspiredByJoni_theAlbums.pdf [4] http://jonimitchell.com/music/songsaboutjoni.cfm [5] http://jonimitchell.com/music/inspiredbyjoni_songs.cfm [6] http://jonimitchell.com/music/miscrecordings.cfm= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2014 07:11:49 -0800 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: the onstage guitar quandary Hi Kimberly, I know exactly what you are facing, with your upcoming show and guitar issues, having been learning and performing Joni music for the last nine years with my band Mutts of the Planet. It has been a process of discovery on how best to tackle the logistics. I ended up with a quiver of guitars that live in their various tunings for months with their string gauges chosen specifically for the tuning. The neck and top tension have plenty of time to settle in and the tunings donbt drift. Can you list the songs you are playing? Maybe some tuning groupings can be found. cheers Dave > On Nov 26, 2014, at 10:25 AM, kimberly wrote: > > My sun currently rises and sets in the land of Joni. I am preparing for a > concert of all Joni Mitchell compositions, Dec. 7th @ Soho, Santa Barbara, > CA. and hope that all of you within range can attend. I've had wonderful > support for this effort so far and many from this site, so thank you to > those who have already responded. I wanted to share some of the > unanticipated challenges of this project from the standpoint of the > musician. This has both mystified me and also garnered increased respect for > Joni's work. > > Her tunings are so magical but a bit of a nightmare from a guitarists > perspective. I have managed to break two brand new guitars with computerized > tuning systems in an effort to program them to only 6 of 8 the tunings that > I am using in the show. I'll probably end up with two guitars on stage and a > competent guitar tech just off stage grabbing them from me and retuning them > to me between songs. I'm doing this as a trade with Jensen's guitar, our > local music store. I'm only playing on every third song. I wondering how > the heck Joni managed this...alone...in a coffee house... with no tech. > Maybe audiences were more tolerant of her tuning time back then. Maybe she > got famous so quickly into her career that she had a constant tech and > numerous guitars after those long awkward coffee house gigs. Maybe I'm just > being humbled, ha! > Thoughts? > Kimberly Ford ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2014 16:43:36 +0000 From: Anita Gabrielle Subject: Re: the onstage guitar quandary Guitarsenal I think you called it, Dave. And I also seem to recall the advice you gave about playing Black Crow with its Bb on the bottom was to use a washing line instead of a string! Kimberley, your post also made me think about those years and years in the 60s and early 70s that Joni gigged, all over the place, even up the road from me in Leicester, UK, pretty much on her own with her guitar or two. No electronic tuners, just her ears and a heap of entertaining stories whilst endlessly winding those tuning pegs. Certainly paid her dues! You say that maybe audiences were more tolerant back then - but she was just mesmerising with her in between chat. You just felt that you were in her house and she was telling you about stuff. Brilliant. Anita > On 27 Nov 2014, at 15:11, Dave Blackburn wrote: > > Hi Kimberly, > > I know exactly what you are facing, with your upcoming show and guitar issues, having been learning and performing Joni music for the last nine years with my band Mutts of the Planet. It has been a process of discovery on how best to tackle the logistics. > > I ended up with a quiver of guitars that live in their various tunings for months with their string gauges chosen specifically for the tuning. The neck and top tension have plenty of time to settle in and the tunings donbt drift. > > Can you list the songs you are playing? Maybe some tuning groupings can be found. > > cheers > Dave > > > > >> On Nov 26, 2014, at 10:25 AM, kimberly wrote: >> >> My sun currently rises and sets in the land of Joni. I am preparing for a >> concert of all Joni Mitchell compositions, Dec. 7th @ Soho, Santa Barbara, >> CA. and hope that all of you within range can attend. I've had wonderful >> support for this effort so far and many from this site, so thank you to >> those who have already responded. I wanted to share some of the >> unanticipated challenges of this project from the standpoint of the >> musician. This has both mystified me and also garnered increased respect for >> Joni's work. >> >> Her tunings are so magical but a bit of a nightmare from a guitarists >> perspective. I have managed to break two brand new guitars with computerized >> tuning systems in an effort to program them to only 6 of 8 the tunings that >> I am using in the show. I'll probably end up with two guitars on stage and a >> competent guitar tech just off stage grabbing them from me and retuning them >> to me between songs. I'm doing this as a trade with Jensen's guitar, our >> local music store. I'm only playing on every third song. I wondering how >> the heck Joni managed this...alone...in a coffee house... with no tech. >> Maybe audiences were more tolerant of her tuning time back then. Maybe she >> got famous so quickly into her career that she had a constant tech and >> numerous guitars after those long awkward coffee house gigs. Maybe I'm just >> being humbled, ha! >> Thoughts? >> Kimberly Ford ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 13:58:40 -0600 From: Happy The Man Subject: Joni lyrics on thankfulness Truthfully a Bob Dylan lyric brought me to post for the first time in a while. But my thought was what Joni lyrics show thankfulness? NP: Bob Dylan - Talkin' New York - - A lot of people donbt have much food on their table. But they got a lot of forks bnb knives,. And they gotta cut somethinb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 08:27:00 -0500 From: Phyliss Subject: Re: Joni on Morning Joe Joe defended Taylor as talented. Mika said yes but she is not an actress. They both agreed to the possibility it was a bad script. Phyliss > On Nov 26, 2014, at 8:19 AM, Phyliss wrote: > > Just saw a teaser. The Joni - Taylor - Girls Like Us thing is going to be talked about on Morning Joe... > > Phyliss ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 12:21:58 +0200 From: ingrid lochrenberg Subject: lyrics to 'shine' Imagine walking on a beach, astonished at the light colouring the grains of sand. The sea pushing half-moons of water up onto the beach.....feeling the wind, your isolation, having seagulls flying overhead...seeing them turn their heads to look at you, them catching one's eye.........feeling seen, and being overwhelmed at their freedom to fly on. Coming across shapes and colours on the beach..... seeing the play of light as the water recedes....the slant of the sand......captivated by the bubbles on the surface...wondering about the eye contact with the seagull. ...feeling despair and dreams starting to intermingle as emerse yoursself into the timelessness of the beach. Then imagine being there with someone who launches into a scientific and historical description of each shell, giving one their latin name, describing their lifecycles, telling one who named them......which university classified them into which category....in which era....as you walk they tell you that gravity is responsible for the tides washing in. By now you're happy that Kepler was denounced as a mystic. All you want is the beach and your senses but the explanation goes on: the history of universities.....the wonders of progress and knowledge, the necessity to have work ethic and contribute ....time to go back and face the endless lectures amid the ambitious students, knuckling down, noses in their books....getting drunk at night....inconsistent value systems....akward social occasions, the pretentiousness that constitutes the communication between students, the laughter that lacks conviction because one knows real magic has been left behind. But through it all, the dedication to doing the work that will get you through. All the chaos gets resolved into a chosen career. Somehow ambitions have been formulated.....law, medicine, computer programmers.....the ends which makes eveything make sense.....the tedium of the alternative, working away at a job where a cigarette break may bring meaning to your life. The incomprehension of what a surgeon is actually doing with his intelligence...the procedures, the hospital environment, the boredom despite it all. CEO's and their goals.....selling more potato chips, the distribution networks, the margins, the commodity cycles that get you down when they don't enhance your wealth....the secretaries that hold all the chaos together. The disciplines with their conflicting approaches to the world leaving one feeling so confused... The sundays that leave the entire working world experiencing the blues.....the slow progress towards demise, the depressions that are avoided. Explanations abound for why the world is rational and why one must work ....unless you've got the monetary system figured out. The astronomers and the astrophysicists and the particle physicists that may think knowledge will lead to a final description of everything that exists. The herbalists and the playwrights and the zoologists and the chefs and finally, the sisters of mercy. A madman ditches all this...all the rational scientific explanations of his conception and his purpose that are as vacuous as the word gravity....the madman relishes the wonderful inexplicable action-at-a-distance because it confuses everyone else until they settle on the word gravity...but that is just an inner delight. The madman ditches all sentence structure if it means freedom from being assailed by explanation after explanation that merely serves to explain away everything. If the madman drinks coffee he is delighted and astonished that it was offered to him when he was just thinking about it. No amount of economic, historic, geographic, agricultural information will pursuade him that this taste of coffee isn't miraculous. Neither does he want to hear a word about it ...he is savoring his coffee and he knows that every single explanation merely describes the passage of time..The coffee may as well have been created just for him. In fact it came out of a bottle and water was added and such was the creation of it.... The madman won't be lamenting about who grows the coffee where and who works at it and who doesn't get paid enough, the madman just knows it as a gift and as he knows he certainly won't be working for it - he'd rather be idle , marvelling at the sun shining down on him, the stars that would rather not be named, in constellations of their own choice. The color of the flowers.....emanating from a brown earth....there will be no explanation that will take away his astonishment. Explanations stand between the profound, grand, simplicity of creation and the incredulous madman. They are neither here nor there. It is a bigger contribution to stand in absolute awe of creation,...to marvel at the words escaping from ones'mouth...everything striking one as revelatory.....his mad laughter that sometimes accompanies his perceptions about the paradoxical world being explained alarms those whose neural circuits can't handle it. He is too intense, his observations are too obviouss, things are being described in a way that is rendering everything too absurd. He has excess dopamine and he will be brought into line. If he has the imagination to suggest that his enemies should contemplate posioning him he is paranoid, and the psychiatrists will take over. They will give him the poison he asked for.The simplicity of his life, no career, no money, no clothes, no status, no choice is nothing compared to the gift of experiencing onesself and the universe first-hand......every explanation merely treads water with the process it is explaining...it will change with the fashions and the paradigms of the day......at every change which miraculusly accompanies the flow of time the madman will be overcome with astonishment . He might just as well start with the word, (coffee), and end with the taste of it in his mouth. Nothing can explain away ones' existence and nothing can explain away the universe.......so the madman is left coping with it, in his poverty..Sometimes he is grandiose and he thinks he is Joni Mitchells daughter. Sometimes he is coherent enough to communicate again. Anyway, I think that in Shine Joni Mitchell is alluding to the madmen's simplistic universe as being an attempt to come out on the other side of rationality, into a individually grasped and experienced reality. So she says, I suppose in comfort but maybe also in hope, let your little lights shine..... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 08:13:14 -0700 (MST) From: TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com Subject: New Library item: The Israeli singer who discovered Joni Mitchell: A glimpse back, three decades on Title: The Israeli singer who discovered Joni Mitchell: A glimpse back, three decades on Publication: Haaretz Date: 2014.11.25 http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2873 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 08:12:31 -0800 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Fwd: This has what to do with the Joni Mitchell discussion list? - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Victor Johnson Date: Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 8:12 AM Subject: Re: This has what to do with the Joni Mitchell discussion list? To: "gpkm6208@comcast.net" What does it really matter at this point? Is there a great need to be right....or can we just let this go and worry about things that are more important and that really matter? Victor in Bend On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 12:20 AM, gpkm6208@comcast.net wrote: > Thank you for standing by your post. In the spirit of Joni, again I ask, please explain the relevance, other than your personal opinion. Thanks, Gerry > > Sent from my HTC > > ----- Reply message ----- > From: simon@icu.com > To: "Gerald Kent" > Cc: , , "joni@smoe.org" > Subject: This has what to do with the Joni Mitchell discussion list? > Date: Wed, Nov 26, 2014 2:35 AM > > Gerald Kent wrote: > >> This has what to do with the Joni Mitchell discussion list???? >> >> Sent from my iPad > > > Gerald, > > In years past, new members received a 'Welcome' message when joining the JMDL. > > The message began with the following: > > [Last updated on: Mon May 17, 19:01:29 1999] > > Welcome to the Joni Mitchell Discussion List - commonly called the JMDL. > > You are now an official "Jimdle" - a member of the unmoderated discussion of > anything and everything related to the life, art, music, AND TIMES of Joni > Mitchell. You are one of approximately 600 individuals subscribed to the list. > > > The Ferguson message, various replies, and other occasional non-Joni topics are part of the AND TIMES b& > as mentioned. > > Most of us simply read, don't read, skip over or delete any messages that are not of personal interest. > > For some of US police attitudes and behavior are, or can be, a matter of life and death. > > I stand by my original post. > > So what's your problem? > > > > AndSoItGoes, > - - - - - - - - > simonM > > http://jonimitchell.com/chronology/complete.cfm > > http://jonimitchell.com/chronology/chronology_v4.0.pdf > > http://jonimitchell.com/music/InspiredByJoni_theAlbums.pdf > > http://jonimitchell.com/music/songsaboutjoni.cfm > > http://jonimitchell.com/music/inspiredbyjoni_songs.cfm > > http://jonimitchell.com/music/miscrecordings.cfm= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2014 17:33:33 +0000 (UTC) From: Jeff Clark Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #1459 OR, you could just do "A Horse With NoB Name", there's only two chords in the whole song :)B On Thursday, November 27, 2014 10:17 AM, Jeff Clark wrote: B Well I think she just did it the old fashioned way, by twidling the knobs on the guitar. Certainly after she became famous and was with CSN&Y she had a guitar tech and more than one guitar, but in the early coffee house, second-fret days she just did it herself. It is amazing. But remember, she was doing two and three sets every night, so anything you do so much soon becomes second nature. On an early Philadelphia radio broadcast she goes from Sisotowbell Lane tuning, CGDFCE to The Gallery tuning, C#F#C#F#A#C# in seconds. You can tell she's using the same guitar and tuning it. What really amazes me is when she introduces her first piano songs like Rainy Night House, and how complicated they sound on top of all the guitar songs. She's a genius!Jeff On Thursday, November 27, 2014 3:04 AM, JMDL Digest wrote: JMDL DigestB B B Thursday, November 27 2014B B B Volume 2014 : Number 1459 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: - -------- B RE: JMDL Digest V2014 #1457B B B B B B ["kimberly" ] - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 10:25:02 -0800 From: "kimberly" Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2014 #1457 My sun currently rises and sets in the land of Joni. I am preparing for a concert of all Joni Mitchell compositions, Dec. 7th @ Soho, Santa Barbara, CA.B and hope that all of you within range can attend. I've had wonderful support for this effort so far and many from this site, so thank you to those who have already responded. I wanted to share some of the unanticipated challenges of this project from the standpoint of the musician. This has both mystified me and also garnered increased respect for Joni's work. Her tunings are so magical but a bit of a nightmare from a guitarists perspective. I have managed to break two brand new guitars with computerized tuning systems in an effort to program them to only 6 of 8 the tunings that I am using in the show. I'll probably end up with two guitars on stage and a competent guitar tech just off stage grabbing them from me and retuning them to me between songs. I'm doing this as a trade with Jensen's guitar, our local music store.B I'm only playing on every third song. I wondering how the heck Joni managed this...alone...in a coffee house... with no tech. Maybe audiences were more tolerant of her tuning time back then. Maybe she got famous so quickly into her career that she had a constant tech and numerous guitars after those long awkward coffee house gigs. Maybe I'm just being humbled, ha! Thoughts? Kimberly FordB B B B B B - - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni-digest@smoe.org] Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 12:00 AM To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2014 #1457 JMDL DigestB B B Wednesday, November 26 2014B B B Volume 2014 : Number 1457 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: - - -------- B Re: NO Indictment In Ferguson?B NO Justice!B [Moni Kellermann Subject: Re: NO Indictment In Ferguson?B NO Justice! > I reiterate, what does any of this have to do with the Joni Mitchell > discussion list???? > > Sent from my iPad Dear Sent from my iPad, as you probably know, there are four different versions of this mailing list, so the question may be answered as "everything" or "nothing", depending on the list version you signed up to. A discussion of a non-Joni topic should have the NJC (No Joni Content) in the subject line. In this case someone apparently forgot it and then people simply hit the reply button. I trust my fellow listers here that this happens without the intent of disturbing the peace of the Joni-only world, so I believe we can manage and simply delete such a message. moni k. - - ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2014 #1457 ****************************** - - ------- To post messages to the list,sendtojoni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe - - ------- - ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2014 #1459 ****************************** - ------- To post messages to the list,sendtojoni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe - ------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 22:44:13 +0000 From: "Susan E. McNamara" Subject: Re: PBS Tavis Smiley interview (download link) Thanks Moni, this interview was fabulous. I9ve only listened to it once, but for the people who have seen it, what9s the story behind her frustration with her Rhino contract? She talks about burglars and she9s happy she has her demos in a safe I found this whole conversation fascinating!! Plus Tavis Smiley is excellent and she obviously likes him a lot. I need to watch it again. :-) so much Joni news - I9m in heaven!! Oh one other thing. I finished listening to Act I of Love has many faces, and I was disappointed that she used the edited version of Come In From the Cold, mostly because the last verse is my favorite NO MIND! As far as my ears are concerned these songs sound much better in my car than the original Cds. Sue On 11/26/14, 12:18 PM, "Moni Kellermann" wrote: >http://ga.video.cdn.pbs.org/videos/tavis-smiley/f96f6e17-5e36-40f9-970c-cc >cecfb5e018/161139/hd-mezzanine-16x9/50ab80be_p434045_001-16x9-mp4-800k.mp4 > >This is the full interview in bigger size, just RIGHT-click the link and >save. > >Enjoy! > >moni k. ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #399 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here:mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe