From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #398 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Website:http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe:mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Thursday, November 27 2014 Volume 2014 : Number 398 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #1457 [Anita Gabrielle ] Love has many faces [Oddmund Kaarevik ] Re: Love has many faces [Lori Renee Fye ] Joni Mitchell [Jeff Clark ] Re: Joni lyrics on thankfulness [Bob Muller ] lyrics to shine [ingrid lochrenberg ] Re: New Library item: My Conversation with Joni Mitchell ["Cassy" ] PBS Tavis Smiley interview (download link) [Moni Kellermann ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2014 09:13:06 +0000 From: Anita Gabrielle Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #1457 > Maybe she > got famous so quickly into her career that she had a constant tech and > numerous guitars after those long awkward coffee house gigs. Maybe I'm just > being humbled, ha! > Thoughts? Hi Kimberly Back in 1970, she talked and talked between songs. It took ages to retune, but the stories were a delight. She retuned herself and stopped when the tuning was out. Later, she had Joel Bernstein setting up her guitars and used ten to hold her turnings (Hejira era) later still she had her synth guitar, the VG8. Nonetheless, every guitarist on the list who plays Joni probably feels humbled. That's what genius does! Good luck with your wonderful gig, Anita > Kimberly Ford > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni-digest@smoe.org] > Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 12:00 AM > To: joni-digest@smoe.org > Subject: JMDL Digest V2014 #1457 > > > JMDL Digest Wednesday, November 26 2014 Volume 2014 : Number 1457 > > > > ========== > > TOPICS and authors in this Digest: > -------- > Re: NO Indictment In Ferguson? NO Justice! [Moni Kellermann > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 08:34:05 +0100 > From: Moni Kellermann > Subject: Re: NO Indictment In Ferguson? NO Justice! > >> I reiterate, what does any of this have to do with the Joni Mitchell >> discussion list???? >> >> Sent from my iPad > > > Dear Sent from my iPad, > > as you probably know, there are four different versions of this mailing > list, so the question may be answered as "everything" or "nothing", > depending on the list version you signed up to. > > A discussion of a non-Joni topic should have the NJC (No Joni Content) > in the subject line. In this case someone apparently forgot it and then > people simply hit the reply button. I trust my fellow listers here that > this happens without the intent of disturbing the peace of the Joni-only > world, so I believe we can manage and simply delete such a message. > > > moni k. > > ------------------------------ > > End of JMDL Digest V2014 #1457 > ****************************** > > ------- > To post messages to the list,sendtojoni@smoe.org. > Unsubscribe by clicking here: > mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe > ------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2014 10:57:52 +0100 From: Oddmund Kaarevik Subject: Love has many faces Last night - - listening to - I think CD number 2 of "Love has many faces" I found myself crying at the track "Tax free." It came as a huge surprise. It never touched me in such a way before. Maybe I was tired after a hectic day at work. Or maybe it was something else. Joni has worked a great deal with these four acts of love or the lack of it, as she says. And just before "Taxfree" she has placed "Blue." Something I never in my wildest fantasy could do. So different - but yet - they resemble on some of the same theme. Something lost. Something gone away. And something sad. This pastor or what screaming out messages of hate. I realize now - I will never meet Joni Mitchell. It was a dream for me many years ago. But - listening to this new masterpiece. Because it I find it highly ingtriguing listening to her revisit of a long career - well it is my way of meeting her. She even dropped by a hand-written letter in the box set. I love to see Joni's own hand-writing. Because the list of disc two had been changed - and what said on the box set is wrong. In a way understand these four acts as a dialogue directly with me, the fan. What a great gift to recieve. I feel blessed - and happy to see her still active. Her paintings for the box set some of the nicest I've seen. And her music - defianetely songs from a genius. I hope the Alberta Ballet will make a Ball out of it! Dear Anita. I hope you do your paper. And that it will be accepted. Lots of love, Oddmund, Norway ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2014 03:10:34 -0700 From: Lori Renee Fye Subject: Re: Love has many faces Oddmund, you wrote a beautiful post, and you may have just persuaded me to buy "Love Has Many Faces" after all. Thank you. Happy Thanksgiving to everyone, including those who don't observe it at this time of year. Lori on her way to California in the morning (but only for a week) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 19:19:09 +0000 (UTC) From: Jeff Clark Subject: Joni Mitchell I wish Joni didn't sound quite so crabby in all these interviews. SheB reminds me of Lucy in Charlie Brown. Bob Dylan's not that bad. And I really don't think Paul Simon is all that influenced by her. Anyway, Happy Thanksgiving everyone.JeffB NP: kd lang, After the Goldrush ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2014 15:55:51 +0000 (UTC) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Joni lyrics on thankfulness How about "Lucky Girl"? None of Joni's songs contain the direct language but this one starts out with that tone: "I'm a lucky girl, I found my friend" Bob NP: Rickie Lee Jones/Billy Childs, "Been On A Train"B B From: Happy The Man To: joni list Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 2:58 PM Subject: Joni lyrics on thankfulness Truthfully a Bob Dylan lyric brought me to post for the first time in a while.B But my thought was what Joni lyrics show thankfulness? NP: Bob Dylan - Talkin' New York - - A lot of people donbt have much food on their table.B But they got a lot of forks bnb knives,.B And they gotta cut somethinb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 10:03:36 +0200 From: ingrid lochrenberg Subject: lyrics to shine Imagine walking on a beach, astonished at the light colouring the grains of sand. The sea pushing half-moons of water up onto the beach.....feeling the wind, your isolation, having seagulls flying overhead...seeing them turn their heads to look at you, them catching one's eye.........feeling seen, and being overwhelmed at their freedom to fly on. Coming across shapes and colours on the beach..... seeing the play of light as the water recedes....the slant of the sand......captivated by the bubbles on the surface...wondering about the eye contact with the seagull. ...feeling despair and dreams starting to intermingle as emerse yoursself into the timelessness of the beach. Then imagine being there with someone who launches into a scientific and historical description of each shell, giving one their latin name, describing their lifecycles, telling one who named them......which university classified them into which category....in which era....as you walk they tell you that gravity is responsible for the tides washing in. You're happy that Kepler was denounced as a mystic. But the explanation goes on: the history of universities.....the wonders of progress and knowledge, the necessity to have work ethic and contribute ....time to go back and face the endless lectures amid the ambitious students, knuckling down, noses in their books....getting drunk at night....inconsistent value systems....akward social occasions, the pretentiousness that constitutes the communication between students, the laughter that lacks conviction because one knows real magic has been left behind. But through it all, the dedication to doing the work that will get you through. All the chaos gets resolved into a chosen career. Somehow ambitions have been formulated.....law, medicine, computer programmers.....the ends which makes eveything make sense.....the tedium of the alternative, working away at a job where a cigarette break may bring meaning to your life. The incomprehension of what a surgeon is actually doing with his intelligence...the procedures, the hospital environment, the ruthlessness all around. CEO's and their goals.....selling more potato chips, the distribution networks, the margins, the commodity cycles that get you down....the secretaries that hold all the chaos together. The disciplines with their conflicting approaches to the world leaving one feeling so confused... The sundays that leave the entire working world experiencing the blues.....the slow progress towards demise, the depressions that are avoided.The clever monetary system designed by the intelligent that absolve the intelligent from any work but gambling on futures or on others. The astronomers and the astrophysicists and the particle physicists that may think knowledge will lead to a final explanation. The herbalists and the playwrights and the zoologists and the chefs and finally, the sisters of mercy. A madman ditches all this...all the rational scientific explanations of his conception and his purpose that are as vacuous as the word gravity....the madman relishes the wonderful inexplicable action-at-a-distance because it confuses everyone else until they settle on the word gravity...but that is just an inner delight. The madman ditches all sentence structure if it means freedom from being assailed by explanation after explanation that merely serves to explain away everything. If the madman drinks coffee he is delighted and astonished that it was offered to him when he was just thinking about it. No amount of economic, historic, geographic, agricultural information will pursuade him that this taste of coffee isn't miraculous. Neither does he want to hear a word about it ...he is savoring his coffee and he knows that every single explanation merely describes the passage of time..The coffee may as well have been created just for him. In fact it came out of a bottle and water was added and such was the creation of it.... The madman won't be lamenting about who grows the coffee where and who works at it and who doesn't get paid enough, the madman just knows it as a gift and as he knows he certainly won't be working for it - he'd rather be idle , marvelling at the sun shining down on him, the stars that would rather not be named, in constellations of their own choice. The color of the flowers.....emanating from a brown earth....there will be no explanation that will take away his astonishment. Explanations stand between the profound, grand, simplicity of creation and the incredulous madman. They are neither here nor there. It is a bigger contribution to stand in absolute awe of creation,...to marvel at the words escaping from ones'mouth...everything striking one as revelatory.....his mad laughter that sometimes accompanies his perceptions about the paradoxical world being explained alarms those whose neural circuits can't handle it. He is too intense, his observations are too obviouss, things are being described in a way that is rendering everything too absurd. He has excess dopamine and he will be brought into line. If he has the imagination to think his enemies should contemplate posioning him he is paranoid. No matter, the psychiatrists will take over. The simplicity of his life, no career, no money, no clothes, no status, no choice is nothing compared to the gift of experiencing onesself and the universe first-hand......every explanation merely treads water with the process it is explaining...it will change with the fashions and the paradigms of the day......at every change which miraculusly accompanies the flow of time the madman will be overcome with astonishment . He might just as well start with the word, (coffee), and end with the taste of it in his mouth. Nothing can explain away ones' existence and nothing can explain away the universe.......so the madman is left coping with it, in his poverty..Sometimes he is grandiose and he thinks he is Joni Mitchells daughter. Sometimes he is coherent enough to communicate again. Anyway, I think that in Shine Joni Mitchell is alluding to the madmen's simplistic universe as being an attempt to bring some sanity back to the world, but that it mostly leaves one incoherent. So she says, I suppose in comfort but maybe also in hope, let your little lights shine..... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 04:02:24 -0800 From: "Cassy" Subject: Re: New Library item: My Conversation with Joni Mitchell http://www.pbs.org/wnet/tavissmiley/interviews/joni-mitchell/ Title: My Conversation with Joni Mitchell Publication: Huffington Post Date: 2014.11.25 http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2872 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 20:23:58 +0000 (UTC) From: Jeff Clark Subject: lyrics to Shine I love the song Shine. I was living in the Keys when it came out. So the line "shine on the fishermen with nothing in their nets" was meaningful. Because its true, there's next to nothing in their nets. Its so sad, but true. Unlike when she wrote Refuge of the Roads in '76 when the nets were overflowing. I don't even eat seafood anymore. Around here in NE Ohio the natural gas fracking on the Marcellus shale is big controversial news almost always in the paper. As soon as it was approved, one of the business went to prison for ordering his employees to dump the waste straight in the Mahoning River. So Joni's lyrics are quite prescient of what people are doing around this place. Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 18:18:22 +0100 From: Moni Kellermann Subject: PBS Tavis Smiley interview (download link) http://ga.video.cdn.pbs.org/videos/tavis-smiley/f96f6e17-5e36-40f9-970c-cccecfb5e018/161139/hd-mezzanine-16x9/50ab80be_p434045_001-16x9-mp4-800k.mp4 This is the full interview in bigger size, just RIGHT-click the link and save. Enjoy! moni k. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2014 10:20:06 -0800 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: the onstage guitar quandary My hot tip for playing many Joni songs on a guitar with correct string tension is to use a baritone, such as the Alvarez ABT60 - I got mine for $330 new, albeit minus pickup and case. Instead of tuning it B to B as baritones usually are tuned, you tune it a to open C Amelia tuning, CGCEGC, which can be easily altered to CGDEGC and of course capoed. With those two closely related tunings and a capo you can play, off the top of my head, Amelia, Cherokee Louise, Night Ride Home, Yvette in English, Peoples Parties, Passion Play, Both Sides Now, and many more. The baritone sounds fantastic and the strings are not flappy or pitchy. The trick is to set up the gauges so no string is tuned more than a whole step away from its intended tension. > On Nov 27, 2014, at 8:43 AM, Anita Gabrielle wrote: > > Guitarsenal I think you called it, Dave. > > And I also seem to recall the advice you gave about playing Black Crow with its Bb on the bottom was to use a washing line instead of a string! > > Kimberley, your post also made me think about those years and years in the 60s and early 70s that Joni gigged, all over the place, even up the road from me in Leicester, UK, pretty much on her own with her guitar or two. No electronic tuners, just her ears and a heap of entertaining stories whilst endlessly winding those tuning pegs. Certainly paid her dues! You say that maybe audiences were more tolerant back then - but she was just mesmerising with her in between chat. You just felt that you were in her house and she was telling you about stuff. Brilliant. > Anita > > > >> On 27 Nov 2014, at 15:11, Dave Blackburn wrote: >> >> Hi Kimberly, >> >> I know exactly what you are facing, with your upcoming show and guitar issues, having been learning and performing Joni music for the last nine years with my band Mutts of the Planet. It has been a process of discovery on how best to tackle the logistics. >> >> I ended up with a quiver of guitars that live in their various tunings for months with their string gauges chosen specifically for the tuning. The neck and top tension have plenty of time to settle in and the tunings donbt drift. >> >> Can you list the songs you are playing? Maybe some tuning groupings can be found. >> >> cheers >> Dave >> >> >> >> >>> On Nov 26, 2014, at 10:25 AM, kimberly wrote: >>> >>> My sun currently rises and sets in the land of Joni. I am preparing for a >>> concert of all Joni Mitchell compositions, Dec. 7th @ Soho, Santa Barbara, >>> CA. and hope that all of you within range can attend. I've had wonderful >>> support for this effort so far and many from this site, so thank you to >>> those who have already responded. I wanted to share some of the >>> unanticipated challenges of this project from the standpoint of the >>> musician. This has both mystified me and also garnered increased respect for >>> Joni's work. >>> >>> Her tunings are so magical but a bit of a nightmare from a guitarists >>> perspective. I have managed to break two brand new guitars with computerized >>> tuning systems in an effort to program them to only 6 of 8 the tunings that >>> I am using in the show. I'll probably end up with two guitars on stage and a >>> competent guitar tech just off stage grabbing them from me and retuning them >>> to me between songs. I'm doing this as a trade with Jensen's guitar, our >>> local music store. I'm only playing on every third song. I wondering how >>> the heck Joni managed this...alone...in a coffee house... with no tech. >>> Maybe audiences were more tolerant of her tuning time back then. Maybe she >>> got famous so quickly into her career that she had a constant tech and >>> numerous guitars after those long awkward coffee house gigs. Maybe I'm just >>> being humbled, ha! >>> Thoughts? >>> Kimberly Ford ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #398 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here:mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe