From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #394 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Website:http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe:mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Tuesday, November 25 2014 Volume 2014 : Number 394 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Don't It Always Seem to Go? [Laura Stanley ] RE: Lyric to Shine [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] RE: Lyric to Shine ["Susan E. McNamara" ] Georgia O'Keefe Book with Joni Chapter ["Laura O." ] Re: Georgia O'Keefe Book with Joni Chapter [Jeff Clark ] New Library item: My Conversation with Joni Mitchell [TheStaff@JoniMitche] RE: Lyric to Shine ["Susan E. McNamara" ] Re: NO Indictment In Ferguson? NO Justice! [Gerald Kent Subject: Re: Don't It Always Seem to Go? YES ANITA!!!!! Different angles are good. B We can't see all at the same time. B Please, add your's. Love and hugs,Laura Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2014 8:41 AM To: joni Subject: Don't It Always Seem To Go? Ahhhhh, sweet synchronicity. How many times have we talked about Joni and synchronicity here? So, my new all women band played our very first gig last night and I have to say we went down a storm. So I am pretty wired when I get home and feel full and pleased and delighted that our trip to see the Mutts perform Hejira and the Monday sing song on Dave and Robin's porch (and in particular MrBlackburn's pep talk) has led me back to playing again. I get waves of how fortunate I am and feel choked up with joy and so grateful to JMDL and JMDLERS. And then through the night I start thinking I really should submit an abstract of some kind for the University of Lincoln conference about Joni and see if I can get something accepted. Then I imagine myself presenting my paper at the Conference and being so overwhelmed at even trying to explain what all this has meant to me for the past 46 years....... Anyway, this morning I started to play with some ideas for a paper and then thought I am being ridiculous. What could I say or add about Joni that hasn't been said or done? Then Steph says "there aren't many who know more about Joni's music than you" and, I thought, well there are quite a few..........but I was grateful for her encouragement, nonetheless. So off she goes to get the Sunday paper and I thought "Give me a sign. Then I'll know what to do." Ten minutes later, Steph comes in with the London Sunday Times, we sit down for breakfast, I open the paper and head straight for the Culture magazine, as I do every Sunday, and on the front cover is full picture of Joni, (The Lonely Painter) and a three page interview by Bryan Appleyard titled "Portrait of a Genius."B What do you reckon? Shall I go for it? Happy Sunday AnitaB ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 13:23:00 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: RE: Lyric to Shine Plus lets support a more civil and healthy way of dealing with our family members and neighbors who suffer from the genetic forms of mental illness. They really need our help and not a perpetuation of stigma.> Well stated Sue, and of course Robin Williams' death this year brought this issue to the surface. Just last week a friend said to me "can you believe Robin Williams committed suicide?" to which I replied "Yes because he was suffering from depression". Sort of like Myrtle's response..."you've seen too many movies Joni...SNAP OUT OF IT." Just because he was a comedian and was successful and wealthy wouldn't make him immune from the effects of a disease. Bob NP: Elbow, "My Sad Captains" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any and all computers and other devices. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 19:09:56 +0000 From: "Susan E. McNamara" Subject: RE: Lyric to Shine Great comparison, Bob. Robin Williams was a very sad case. Susan Tierney McNamara email: sem8@cornell.edu From: Bob.Muller@fluor.com [mailto:Bob.Muller@fluor.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 1:23 PM To: Susan E. McNamara Cc: joni Subject: RE: Lyric to Shine Plus lets support a more civil and healthy way of dealing with our family members and neighbors who suffer from the genetic forms of mental illness. They really need our help and not a perpetuation of stigma.> Well stated Sue, and of course Robin Williams' death this year brought this issue to the surface. Just last week a friend said to me "can you believe Robin Williams committed suicide?" to which I replied "Yes because he was suffering from depression". Sort of like Myrtle's response..."you've seen too many movies Joni...SNAP OUT OF IT." Just because he was a comedian and was successful and wealthy wouldn't make him immune from the effects of a disease. Bob NP: Elbow, "My Sad Captains" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any and all computers and other devices. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 12:14:08 -0600 From: "Laura O." Subject: Georgia O'Keefe Book with Joni Chapter There's the book "O'Keefe", by *Jeffrey Hogrefe,* with an 8 page chapter on Joni. I've read it and it's......enlightening! Info here. The book jacket seen is the original from the book I read. I believe newer printings have a different book cover. You can probably find this at the library. http://jonimitchell.com/library/viewmedia.cfm?id=69 Laura Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 17:25:49 +0000 (UTC) From: Jeff Clark Subject: Georgia O'Keefe <> I wish I could remember for certain the title of the book I read about 10 years ago about Georgia O'Keefe that had a whole chapter on Joni's visit. It might be "Portrait of an Artist" by Laurie Lisle. Georgia didn't approve of Joni's smoking, they got up early and did yoga, ate simple, wholesome food,etc. The movie about Georgia with Joan Allen is good too and part of it is filmed in Georgia's actual house in New Mexico.Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 01:59:36 -0500 From: simon@icu.com Subject: NO Indictment In Ferguson? NO Justice! The fix was in from the beginning. NO Indictment In Ferguson? NO Justice! Where there is NO Justice, there will be NO Peace. What Happens To A Dream Deferred? Does it dry up like a raisin in the sun? Or fester like a sore -- And then run? Does it stink like a rotten meat? Or crust and sugar over -- like a syrupy sweet? Maybe it just sags like a heavy load. Or Does It Explode? Langston Hughes (p) 1951 - - - - - Once again the American Justice? system has shown us that the lives of some Black men in Amerika ain't worth shit! And it has exploded Do YOU care? AndSoItGoes, - - - - - - - - - simonM ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 14:00:02 +0000 From: Anita Gabrielle Subject: Lyric to Shine I was thinking about some of the great discussions about lyrics that have occurred from time to time here on JMDL (Edith and the Kingpin, Shades of Scarlett Conquering, the perennial Don't Interrupt The Sorrow etc) and I was considering Shine. I know many can't believe that Joni stooped to This Little Light of Mine" kind of level, but I have a soft spot for this pedestrian dirge. I was particularly focussed on the lines at the end: "Shine on the pioneers Those seekers of mental health Craving simplicity They traveled inward Past themselves... May all their little lights shine" Probably as an acknowledged seeker of mental health myself, I wondered why Joni might refer to these/us particular seekers as "pioneers" and what is it to travel inwards and 'past' oneself. And passed or past oneself to where? I love the idea of "craving simplicity" when one's mental state is precarious. Anyway, I'd really welcome your insights/ideas about this, With my little light shining through a chilly November day, Anita ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 18:21:25 +0000 (UTC) From: Jeff Clark Subject: Re: Georgia O'Keefe Book with Joni Chapter I think you're right Laura, I recognized the cover right away and I was pretty sure it was written by a guy. Thanks, JeffB On Tuesday, November 25, 2014 1:14 PM, Laura O. wrote: There's the book "O'Keefe",B by Jeffrey Hogrefe, with an 8 page chapter on Joni. I've read it and it's......enlightening! Info here.B The book jacket seen is the original from the book I read.B I believe newer printings have a different book cover.B You can probably find this at the library. http://jonimitchell.com/library/viewmedia.cfm?id=69 Laura Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 17:25:49 +0000 (UTC) From: Jeff Clark Subject: Georgia O'Keefe <> I wish I could remember for certain the title of the book I read about 10 years ago about Georgia O'Keefe that had a whole chapter on Joni's visit. It might be "Portrait of an Artist" by Laurie Lisle. Georgia didn't approve of Joni's smoking, they got up early and did yoga, ate simple, wholesome food,etc. The movie about Georgia with Joan Allen is good too and part of it is filmed in Georgia's actual house in New Mexico.Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 16:38:43 +0000 (UTC) From: Clint Norwood Subject: Re: NO Indictment In Ferguson? NO Justice! Why does everyone think they know the truth when they don't? Why do people react with such certainty about things apart from them, but are blind to the things right in front of them? Why do people react first with emotion and only use reason later or not at all? People will continue to make wild generalities about groups of people to ironically prove their own racism. But actual people who live, work and interact together will continue to do so and try to do their best to live with honor, truth and integrity the best they can, despite the media trying to continually divide us with the old tricks. All lives matter. Have a good day and try to carry on the best you can. On Tuesday, November 25, 2014 8:04 AM, "simon@icu.com" wrote: The fix was in from the beginning. NO Indictment In Ferguson?B NO Justice! Where there is NO Justice, there will be NO Peace. B B What Happens To A Dream Deferred? B B Does it dry up B B like a raisin in the sun? B B Or fester like a sore -- B B And then run? B B Does it stink like a rotten meat? B B Or crust and sugar over -- B B like a syrupy sweet? B B B B Maybe it just sags B B like a heavy load. B B Or Does It Explode? B B B B B B Langston Hughes B B (p) 1951 B B - - - - - Once again the American Justice? system has shown us that the lives of some Black men in AmerikaB ain'tB worthB shit! And it has exploded Do YOU care? AndSoItGoes, - - - - - - - - - simonM ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 15:50:38 +0000 From: Anita G Subject: Re: Lyric to Shine Thanks Bob. Do you know, I hadn't thought about the natural methodologies at all, yet I have always avoided pills as far as I am able. So obvious, and I suppose could be interpreted as pioneering. A xx On 25 November 2014 at 14:34, wrote: > I wondered why > Joni might refer to these/us particular seekers as "pioneers" and what is > it > to travel inwards and 'past' oneself. And passed or past oneself to where? > > > > Hi Anita - I'm one of those who think the lyrics to Shine are pretty > banal. The batch you refer to aren't as bad...I take it as meaning those > who seek solutions to mental issues through meditation, holistic and more > natural methodology as opposed to simply finding the right pill (or > combination thereof) to try and adjust one's mental state. Going past > oneself meaning going past the ego and being honest and rational. > > Bob > > NP: Sun Kil Moon, "I Love My Dad" > ------------------------------------------------------------ > The information transmitted is intended only for the person > or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. > If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are > hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, > distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon > this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please > contact the sender and delete the material from any and all > computers and other devices. > > Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual > sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. > ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 06:14:03 -0700 (MST) From: TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com Subject: New Library item: My Conversation with Joni Mitchell Title: My Conversation with Joni Mitchell Publication: Huffington Post Date: 2014.11.25 http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2872 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 17:40:17 +0000 From: "Susan E. McNamara" Subject: RE: Lyric to Shine That's called addiction, and denial is a symptom of that nasty ailment. It's all about a decision to change. It's hard but possible. Susan Tierney McNamara email: sem8@cornell.edu - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 11:02 AM To: Anita G Cc: jonipeople LIST Subject: Re: Lyric to Shine Well, it would be pioneering compared to some of the barbaric methods that have been used to treat mental illness in the past, like shock therapy, blood-letting, or just locking the person away in an institution. Plus it seems consistent with Joni's own approach to health. Of course I'm not sure what to think of someone who deludes themselves into believing that cigarettes are good for them. Bob NP: Allison Krauss/Jerry Douglas, "And When I Die" (from Billy Child's ALBUM OF THE YEAR "Map To The Treasure") - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any and all computers and other devices. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 20:13:26 -0500 From: Gerald Kent Subject: Re: NO Indictment In Ferguson? NO Justice! This has what to do with the Joni Mitchell discussion list???? Sent from my iPad > On Nov 25, 2014, at 1:59 AM, simon@icu.com wrote: > > The fix was in from the beginning. > > NO Indictment In Ferguson? NO Justice! > > Where there is NO Justice, there will be NO Peace. > > > What Happens To A Dream Deferred? > > Does it dry up > like a raisin in the sun? > Or fester like a sore -- > And then run? > Does it stink like a rotten meat? > Or crust and sugar over -- > like a syrupy sweet? > > Maybe it just sags > like a heavy load. > > Or Does It Explode? > > > Langston Hughes > (p) 1951 > - - - - - > > > Once again the American Justice? system has shown us that > the lives of some Black men in Amerika ain't worth shit! > > And it has exploded > > Do YOU care? > > > > > AndSoItGoes, > - - - - - - - - > simonM ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #394 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here:mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe