From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #390 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Website:http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe:mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, November 22 2014 Volume 2014 : Number 390 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Retro Covers Volume 119 [Bob Muller ] Live Bootlegs: Mostly Melancholia? [M Jones ] RE: JMDL Digest V2014 #1434 ["Stephen Clifton" ] Re: multi-disc compilation [Lori Renee Fye ] Re: multi-disc compilation ["Mark" ] Re: Seattle Times review and interesting comment [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2014 14:06:49 +0000 (UTC) From: Bob Muller Subject: Retro Covers Volume 119 Hi all - am on my way to Austin TX to hang with fellow JMDL'er Craig "Happy The Man" Jenkins but wanted to get this out so as not to fall behind. Volume 119 can be downloaded here: https://www.yousendit.com/download/UlRRK3BBNDRxRTM0WjhUQw And has these songs on it:1. Yvette Tollar - Edith And The Kingpin2. Laura Zakian - Two Grey Rooms3. Michael Davis - Both Sides Now4. Michael Monroe - River5. Stefan Gwildis - Wenn Es Wea Ist (Big Yellow Taxi/German)6. Back To The Moon - Woodstock7. Liza Lee - Blue8. Chie Ayado - Both Sides Now9. Lili Layton - Twisted10. Overboard - River11. Neal Phillips - Morning Morgantown12. Alicia Wiley - Little Green13. Jolize - Free Man In Paris14. Tim Hinkle - Both Sides Now15. Mark Bobb - The Dry Cleaner From Des Moines16. Evan Borkowski - Carey17. Salyu - River18. Doug Flor - Woodstock19. Azman - Both Sides Now20. Jerry Cox - The Circle Game 20 songs, 20 hits. Enjoy. Bob NP: Field Report, "Decision Day" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2014 11:46:54 -0500 From: M Jones Subject: Live Bootlegs: Mostly Melancholia? Hi All, I'm trying to get my hands on a few bootlegs, especially the one called Mostly Melancholia. Is anyone who has this willing to share it with me? Matt ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2014 16:04:24 -0600 From: "Stephen Clifton" Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2014 #1434 "Lipstick on a pig really??? Dog Eat Dog is a great song." I totally agree, Jan and return to that album frequently as I tend to return to her later work more than her earlier - the earlier work I have let the nostalgia go, for whatever that is worth. As for Lori - well do it on your own then. I can't wait for the new thing to arrive Monday. I am one of those who collects anything Joni does - I have it all and for the record her perspective does tell a story and I look forward to this big one. Also, I think this 4 part set piece has garnered some (many) great reviews, attention and people are rather excited around the Globe. S - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni-digest@smoe.org] Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 3:49 PM To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2014 #1434 JMDL Digest Thursday, November 20 2014 Volume 2014 : Number 1434 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: - -------- Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #1432 [Jan Bramlett ] - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2014 13:48:09 -0800 From: Jan Bramlett Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #1432 Lipstick on a pig really??? Dog Eat Dog is a great song. Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 20, 2014, at 1:16 PM, owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) wrote: > > > JMDL Digest Thursday, November 20 2014 Volume 2014 : Number 1432 > > > > ========== > > TOPICS and authors in this Digest: > -------- > Re: multi-disc compilation [Paul Ivice ] > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2014 16:10:22 -0500 > From: Paul Ivice > Subject: Re: multi-disc compilation > > I agree, Lori. > Furthermore, I think any clamoring for Joni to "open her vault" > should stop. There are reasons why Joni did not want to release that > material, probably because she thought it was less than her best > effort, so we should not be so eager for this material that it > encourages her to diminish the quality of her catalog. Remastering > Dog Eat Dog was akin to putting lipstick on a pig. > Leave the vault alone. > > > Paul Ivice ;>) > Stuart, Florida > - -----Original Message----- > From: Lori Renee Fye > > > Hits & > Misses was a multi-disc compilation, was it not? > >>> No, those were two > separate single-disc compilations, "Hits" and "Misses", both released > on the same day: > > True. A person could buy only one, or both. H&M was mostly a "best > of" thing and I sort of regret buying those discs because, with the > exception of "Urge for Going," I already owned every song in multiple formats. > I refuse to buy the latest compilation. I love Joni but I'm not so > into her that I feel the need to own every sliver of liner notes or > miniature prints of her paintings. I enjoyed BSN and Travelogue > because the arrangements were new > - -- and BSN contained some songs that were new to me. I completely > understand that Joni isn't feeling up to returning to the studio to > record new arrangements, let alone new material. However ... > No. I'm not going to again > be suckered into buying something I already have. I'm not such an > audiophile that I need remastered recordings. The playlist for this > latest release is available and, if I want to "discover" the story > Joni is now trying to tell by arranging songs in a certain way, I can do that on my own. > Just not thrilled > here, > > Lori, > in Caldwell, Idaho for now > > ------------------------------ > > End of JMDL Digest V2014 #1432 > ****************************** > > ------- > To post messages to the list,sendtojoni@smoe.org. > Unsubscribe by clicking here: > mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe > ------- - ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2014 #1434 ****************************** - ------- To post messages to the list,sendtojoni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe - ------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2014 10:47:17 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: People's Parties Very cool. I knew the generalities of that story but not the specifics. Thanks Anita! Bob NP: "Kansas City" from 'Lost On The River - The New Basement Tapes' - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any and all computers and other devices. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2014 07:49:40 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Seattle Times review and interesting comment plus it had an official release of "Speechless", available nowhere else.> PLUS a previously unreleased demo version of "Good Friends" PLUS an unreleased studio version of Dylan's "It's All Over Now, Baby Blue". Worth the price of admission to get these rare bits. If you'll now turn your attention to our fearless leader's website: http://jonimitchell.com/music/index.cfm?o=2&id= You'll notice that he offers a selection titled "Compilations"...all of the single disc and multi-disc COMPILATIONS are shown here and referred to as such. I do agree with Moni that Hits & Misses do not count as "multi-disc" because they could be purchased separately. Indeed, I never bought Hits but did pick up Misses for UFG. Bob NP: Drive-By Tuckers, "Primer Coat" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any and all computers and other devices. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2014 16:10:22 -0500 From: Paul Ivice Subject: Re: multi-disc compilation I agree, Lori. Furthermore, I think any clamoring for Joni to "open her vault" should stop. There are reasons why Joni did not want to release that material, probably because she thought it was less than her best effort, so we should not be so eager for this material that it encourages her to diminish the quality of her catalog. Remastering Dog Eat Dog was akin to putting lipstick on a pig. Leave the vault alone. Paul Ivice ;>) Stuart, Florida - -----Original Message----- From: Lori Renee Fye Hits & Misses was a multi-disc compilation, was it not? >> No, those were two separate single-disc compilations, "Hits" and "Misses", both released on the same day: True. A person could buy only one, or both. H&M was mostly a "best of" thing and I sort of regret buying those discs because, with the exception of "Urge for Going," I already owned every song in multiple formats. I refuse to buy the latest compilation. I love Joni but I'm not so into her that I feel the need to own every sliver of liner notes or miniature prints of her paintings. I enjoyed BSN and Travelogue because the arrangements were new - -- and BSN contained some songs that were new to me. I completely understand that Joni isn't feeling up to returning to the studio to record new arrangements, let alone new material. However ... No. I'm not going to again be suckered into buying something I already have. I'm not such an audiophile that I need remastered recordings. The playlist for this latest release is available and, if I want to "discover" the story Joni is now trying to tell by arranging songs in a certain way, I can do that on my own. Just not thrilled here, Lori, in Caldwell, Idaho for now ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2014 14:28:38 -0700 From: Lori Renee Fye Subject: Re: multi-disc compilation > Furthermore, I think any clamoring for Joni to "open her vault" > should stop. There are reasons why Joni did not want to > release that material, probably because she thought it was > less than her best effort, so we should not be so eager for this > material that it encourages her to diminish the quality of her > catalog. Remastering Dog Eat Dog was akin to putting lipstick > on a pig. I agree, Paul -- although I like DED! I wouldn't bother with buying a remastered edition, though. I don't have a stereo system that would do it justice, for one thing. However, in addition to Joni having a reason for not releasing "vault" material in the first place, Joni's voice is no longer up to doing what her fans would want to hear done with those songs. I think we all need to get used to the fact that Joni has done her best work, and I think we should leave her alone and stop pestering her. Read books like Malka Marom's and learn and enjoy Joni's stories. I suppose reading Joni's new liner notes (or the little book that comes with the new release) is similar to doing learning Joni's stories, but I'm just not going to spend $60 on something like that. (I don't care if that means I'm not a part of the "Cool Club" or whatever. I've never been a part of that club anyway.) Joni Mitchell had a GREAT run and influenced countless artists, as well as wrote songs that many others have recorded (and Bonnie Raitt's version of "That Song about the Midway" is still, to me, better than Joni's version). If anything, let another artist do the "vault" stuff, similar to what Jonatha Brooke did with Woody Guthrie's "vault" writings. Lori in Caldwell, Idaho for now ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2014 19:16:17 -0800 From: "Mark" Subject: Re: multi-disc compilation I missed the 'lipstick on a pig' email which surely must have come from Paul Ivice. My apologies to Mr. Ivice if that is not the case. JFYI, Lori, I don't have a high end sound system but hearing the 'Dog Eat Dog' disk that came with the Geffen box set was a revelation to me. The genius of Joni Mitchell is there in 'Dog Eat Dog' and I think I heard it for the first time on that particular record when I first listened to that box set CD. She just used different tools to construct it than she had used before. As far as the new box set is concerned, I felt the same way you did at first. But the booklet, the story behind how it came to be created and Joni's remarks at the Hammer Museum showing of 'The Fiddle and the Drum' have changed my mind. I don't know if the music for 'The Fiddle and the Drum' was re-mastered or if it was the sound system in Seattle's Paramount Theater but the music sounded glorious during the performance of that ballet which included 'The Three Great Stimulants' and 'Ethiopia' from 'Dog Eat Dog'. This is more than a 'compilation'. This is something Joni worked toward for two years. If the ballets are never produced, at least I will have the music they were meant to be choreographed for presented in a way that seems to be Joni's offering of what can only be the next best thing for now. Mark in Seattle - -----Original Message----- From: Lori Renee Fye Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 1:28 PM To: Paul Ivice Cc: Moni Kellermann ; Joni List Subject: Re: multi-disc compilation > Furthermore, I think any clamoring for Joni to "open her vault" > should stop. There are reasons why Joni did not want to > release that material, probably because she thought it was > less than her best effort, so we should not be so eager for this > material that it encourages her to diminish the quality of her > catalog. Remastering Dog Eat Dog was akin to putting lipstick > on a pig. I agree, Paul -- although I like DED! I wouldn't bother with buying a remastered edition, though. I don't have a stereo system that would do it justice, for one thing. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2014 09:25:56 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Seattle Times review and interesting comment The previous box sets are not compilations but original albums and the previous compilations are not multi-disc. > Oh Moni, you are being an agitating rascal. :-) A compilation by definition is simply something that's compiled. When her first 10 albums were compiled in a 10-CD set, that became a compilation. Likewise, when her Geffen albums were compiled in a 4-CD set (with a couple bonus tracks - yippee for that!) it became a compilation. There may be a connotation that a compilation is a scramble but I don't see it as a requirement. Catherine, you're a wordsmith, help me out. Bob NP: Foxygen, "Star Power II: Star Power Nite" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any and all computers and other devices. 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