From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #340 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Website:http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe:mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, October 11 2014 Volume 2014 : Number 340 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- re: Mingus in concert [c Karma ] RE: Mingus in concert ["Susan E. McNamara" ] RE: Mingus in concert [c Karma ] Re: Mingus in concert [Dave Blackburn ] RE: Mingus in concert ["Susan E. McNamara" ] Re: Joni reference on Parenthood [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Joni reference on Parenthood [Michael Paz ] Re: Mingus in concert [Dave Blackburn ] Re: Mingus in concert [Catherine McKay ] Re: Mingus in concert [Michael Paz ] Mingus in concert [Dave Blackburn ] RE: Mingus in concert ["Susan E. McNamara" ] Re: Mingus in concert [Anita G ] RE: Mingus in concert [c Karma ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2014 14:57:54 +0000 From: c Karma Subject: re: Mingus in concert I think I fall with Cassy on this. Apart from documentary value, I think they also provide some pacing and even some thematic reference, particularly for "A Chair in the Sky" and "The Dry Cleaner From Des Moines." <<< What does everyone else think about them and whether they are an essential element or not? >>> I'm not sure what the legalities would be but you could intersperse recordings of the actual raps in between your takes on the music. I do think there is historical value to including them. Warmly Cassy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2014 15:03:14 +0000 From: "Susan E. McNamara" Subject: RE: Mingus in concert I was thinking last night it would be fun to hear Robin sing "I's a muggin' do dat do wata" :-) Susan Tierney McNamara email: sem8@cornell.edu - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of c Karma Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 10:58 AM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: re: Mingus in concert I think I fall with Cassy on this. Apart from documentary value, I think they also provide some pacing and even some thematic reference, particularly for "A Chair in the Sky" and "The Dry Cleaner From Des Moines." <<< What does everyone else think about them and whether they are an essential element or not? >>> I'm not sure what the legalities would be but you could intersperse recordings of the actual raps in between your takes on the music. I do think there is historical value to including them. Warmly Cassy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2014 15:06:40 +0000 From: c Karma Subject: RE: Mingus in concert I'd LOVE to hear Dave and Robin do the whole I's A Muggin number game. CC > From: sem8@cornell.edu > To: ckarma@hotmail.com; joni@smoe.org > Subject: RE: Mingus in concert > Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2014 15:03:14 +0000 > > I was thinking last night it would be fun to hear Robin sing "I's a muggin' do dat do wata" :-) > > Susan Tierney McNamara > email: sem8@cornell.edu > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of c Karma > Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 10:58 AM > To: joni@smoe.org > Subject: re: Mingus in concert > > I think I fall with Cassy on this. Apart from documentary value, I think they also provide some pacing and even some thematic reference, particularly for "A Chair in the Sky" and "The Dry Cleaner From Des Moines." > > <<< What does everyone else think about them and whether they are an essential element or not? >>> > > I'm not sure what the legalities would be but you could intersperse recordings of the actual raps in between your takes on the music. I do think there is historical value to including them. > > Warmly > Cassy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2014 10:52:58 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: Mingus in concert Yeah, Sue, thats sort of my take too. On Oct 9, 2014, at 10:05 AM, Susan E. McNamara wrote: > I like the raps on Mingus mostly as artifacts of Joni's interaction with Mingus, hearing his voice, especially where they talk about his funeral ... but I don't think they need to be included when performing the music, meaning I don't see them as essential parts of the compositions themselves. > > Susan Tierney McNamara ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2014 15:32:05 +0000 From: "Susan E. McNamara" Subject: RE: Mingus in concert The concert's under a month away now ... rap or no rap, it will be fabulous. Mingus has a special place in my heart ... when it first came out I embarrassed myself by playing it loud at a party and standing on a chair and singing Goodbye Porkpie Hat drunk as a skunk!!! Oh the good ol days, when I felt everyone had to kneel at the altar of Joni! :-) Susan Tierney McNamara email: sem8@cornell.edu - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Anita G Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 11:19 AM To: Susan E. McNamara Cc: c Karma; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Mingus in concert I'm always quite enthusiastic when people re-write or add or do something different with music that I know. Personally, I was quite pleased when I wrote an extra verse to'Woodstock' and added Moby's 'We are all made of stars' on the end. It might be possible, with time and energy, to update the rap sections to make some commentary about the album or Mingus and Joni. The only thing with that is that I imagine most people wouldn't know the album well enough to get it and you have spend time writing it, Anita On 10 October 2014 16:03, Susan E. McNamara wrote: > I was thinking last night it would be fun to hear Robin sing "I's a > muggin' do dat do wata" :-) > > Susan Tierney McNamara > email: sem8@cornell.edu > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of c > Karma > Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 10:58 AM > To: joni@smoe.org > Subject: re: Mingus in concert > > I think I fall with Cassy on this. Apart from documentary value, I > think they also provide some pacing and even some thematic reference, > particularly for "A Chair in the Sky" and "The Dry Cleaner From Des > Moines." > > <<< What does everyone else think about them and whether they are an > essential element or not? >>> > > I'm not sure what the legalities would be but you could intersperse > recordings of the actual raps in between your takes on the music. I do > think there is historical value to including them. > > Warmly > Cassy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2014 08:04:06 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Joni reference on Parenthood Gotta love those Joni moments. For me it's typically hearing her on the radio..."Deep Tracks" and "The Loft" play her quite often. "For The Roses" was the last song of hers I heard. Bob NP: Fever Ray, "Keep The Streets Empty For Me" From: Laurie Antonioli To: JMDL , Date: 10/09/2014 01:33 AM Subject: Joni reference on Parenthood Sent by: owner-joni@smoe.org Okay so I'm probably late to the party on this one, but in Season 5, episode 4, of the show "Parenthood" there's a college boy who is trying to impress a girl by liking Joni. His dad plays him "Help Me" but says he can't play the next tune, which would be "Free Man in Paris" on Court & Spark, because it makes him cry! Then he says, with "Track 9, anything is possible" with the girl. That'd be "Raised on Robbery" which is not really a romantic tune. So...the writers, I don't think, really paid close attention to the order of the tunes, but, it's so fun to watch the scene - the dad telling his son Joni is a genius and so on. The scene continues with more references to "Track 9" being the "one" that gets the girls. Mindless end-of-day TV turned into a "Joni moment" - and so it goes. Take good care -- Laurie - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2014 10:37:28 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Joni reference on Parenthood My good pal Meg Griffin is on both of those stations. I have sent her Laurie's CD for her to play. Keep an ear out... Best Paz On Oct 9, 2014, at 7:04 AM, bob.muller@fluor.com wrote: Gotta love those Joni moments. For me it's typically hearing her on the radio..."Deep Tracks" and "The Loft" play her quite often. "For The Roses" was the last song of hers I heard. Bob NP: Fever Ray, "Keep The Streets Empty For Me" From: Laurie Antonioli To: JMDL , Date: 10/09/2014 01:33 AM Subject: Joni reference on Parenthood Sent by: owner-joni@smoe.org Okay so I'm probably late to the party on this one, but in Season 5, episode 4, of the show "Parenthood" there's a college boy who is trying to impress a girl by liking Joni. His dad plays him "Help Me" but says he can't play the next tune, which would be "Free Man in Paris" on Court & Spark, because it makes him cry! Then he says, with "Track 9, anything is possible" with the girl. That'd be "Raised on Robbery" which is not really a romantic tune. So...the writers, I don't think, really paid close attention to the order of the tunes, but, it's so fun to watch the scene - the dad telling his son Joni is a genius and so on. The scene continues with more references to "Track 9" being the "one" that gets the girls. Mindless end-of-day TV turned into a "Joni moment" - and so it goes. Take good care -- Laurie - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2014 12:08:42 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: Mingus in concert If we did include them it would certainly not be us acting the parts but playing the clips from the record. But, as Sue pointed out, they are hard to make out in places and their connection to the music is somewhat oblique. On Oct 9, 2014, at 11:12 AM, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: > It's just me, I guess but I think it would add an element of huge fun to > throw the rap performances in there - if you could stage it sort of > separately from the band and shift from the "actors" to the band. Those > that know the record would find it amusing I'd think - then again, getting > this music down would be challenging enough, to add extra stuff would make > it trickier. > > Bob > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > The information transmitted is intended only for the person > or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. > If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are > hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, > distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon > this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please > contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. > > Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual > sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. > ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2014 10:07:12 -0700 From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Mingus in concert The first time I heard the album, I enjoyed the raps. They were part of the whole story. But after that, I simply found them annoying and intrusive. I haven't got them on my Ipod, not that that means a lot. This sounds like a great show and I'm sure you'll knock 'em off their feet. ________________________________ From: Dave Blackburn To: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Cc: JMDL JMDL Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 12:48 PM Subject: Re: Mingus in concert Bob, I plan to capture and mix the concert, but I dont think there will be a release; well see how it goes. If theres a significant demand, it could happen Im not sure whether well include those raps; in many ways they interrupt the flow of the music and I always skip them. What does everyone else think about them and whether they are an essential element or not? Dave ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2014 12:01:27 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Mingus in concert Only do them if you have Muller fly in to them. best Paz On Oct 9, 2014, at 11:48 AM, Dave Blackburn wrote: Bob, I plan to capture and mix the concert, but I dont think there will be a release; well see how it goes. If theres a significant demand, it could happen Im not sure whether well include those raps; in many ways they interrupt the flow of the music and I always skip them. What does everyone else think about them and whether they are an essential element or not? Dave On Oct 9, 2014, at 7:36 AM, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: > This will be wonderful. Wish I could beam myself over. At least I have the Hejira CD and it's a gem. Robin and the band nail everything, Dave's production is of course amazing and Jamie's solos add a touch of uniqueness to the Project. > > Break a leg Dave! Will you be recording and releasing this show too? What about all the raps? > > Bob > > NP: Gotye, "Somebody That I Used To Know" > > > > From: Dave Blackburn > To: JMDL JMDL , > Date: 10/09/2014 10:13 AM > Subject: Mingus in concert > Sent by: owner-joni@smoe.org > > > > Hey everyone, > > On Sat. Nov 8th, the day after Joni turns 71, Mutts of the Planet will be performing the Mingus album at Dizzy's in San Diego CA. This will be a one-off concert and will feature an amazing line-up of the finest jazz musicians in the area, including Joshua White, the second-place winner of the Thelonius Monk Jazz piano competition. (On Youtube you can see him playing for a very impressed Herbie Hancock https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1jf1dXNOcw - starting at 7:23.) > > This will be our last concert of the year and in some ways the most musically challenging one weve ever done. It will be the fifth complete Joni album we have performed in three years. Wed love for you to be there if you can make it. Details can be found at http://www.robinadler.com/calendar.html > > Also, a reminder that a CD of our June 1st Hejira concert, Hejira Live, is available directly from us http://www.robinadler.com/products.html - It sounds great, if I say so myself, and several of the songs have been extended with soaring guitar solos by Jamie Kime, a Grammy winning guitarist formerly with Zappa Plays Zappa and Michelle Shocked. Several listers were in attendance that night but hearing the CD you can be there too! > > thanks > Dave > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > The information transmitted is intended only for the person > or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. > If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are > hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, > distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon > this message is prohibited. 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This will be our last concert of the year and in some ways the most musically challenging one weve ever done. It will be the fifth complete Joni album we have performed in three years. Wed love for you to be there if you can make it. Details can be found at http://www.robinadler.com/calendar.html Also, a reminder that a CD of our June 1st Hejira concert, Hejira Live, is available directly from us http://www.robinadler.com/products.html - It sounds great, if I say so myself, and several of the songs have been extended with soaring guitar solos by Jamie Kime, a Grammy winning guitarist formerly with Zappa Plays Zappa and Michelle Shocked. Several listers were in attendance that night but hearing the CD you can be there too! thanks Dave ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2014 17:57:31 +0000 From: "Susan E. McNamara" Subject: RE: Mingus in concert Another thing about the raps is that when I first got the album I had trouble figuring out what they were saying ... the conversation audibility goes in and out ... that's probably because I'm not a certified audiophile!!! :-) I wish I could be there Dave and Robin. Boo hoo, why do I live so far away? I do have my Hejira CD, and am going to have a special listening party for myself this weekend. Miss you both. Sue Susan Tierney McNamara email: sem8@cornell.edu - -----Original Message----- From: Dave Blackburn [mailto:beatntrack@att.net] Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 1:53 PM To: Susan E. McNamara Cc: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com; JMDL JMDL Subject: Re: Mingus in concert Yeah, Sue, that's sort of my take too. On Oct 9, 2014, at 10:05 AM, Susan E. McNamara wrote: > I like the raps on Mingus mostly as artifacts of Joni's interaction with Mingus, hearing his voice, especially where they talk about his funeral ... but I don't think they need to be included when performing the music, meaning I don't see them as essential parts of the compositions themselves. > > Susan Tierney McNamara ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2014 16:19:11 +0100 From: Anita G Subject: Re: Mingus in concert I'm always quite enthusiastic when people re-write or add or do something different with music that I know. Personally, I was quite pleased when I wrote an extra verse to'Woodstock' and added Moby's 'We are all made of stars' on the end. It might be possible, with time and energy, to update the rap sections to make some commentary about the album or Mingus and Joni. The only thing with that is that I imagine most people wouldn't know the album well enough to get it and you have spend time writing it, Anita On 10 October 2014 16:03, Susan E. McNamara wrote: > I was thinking last night it would be fun to hear Robin sing "I's a > muggin' do dat do wata" :-) > > Susan Tierney McNamara > email: sem8@cornell.edu > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of c > Karma > Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 10:58 AM > To: joni@smoe.org > Subject: re: Mingus in concert > > I think I fall with Cassy on this. Apart from documentary value, I think > they also provide some pacing and even some thematic reference, > particularly for "A Chair in the Sky" and "The Dry Cleaner From Des > Moines." > > <<< What does everyone else think about them and whether they are an > essential element or not? >>> > > I'm not sure what the legalities would be but you could intersperse > recordings of the actual raps in between your takes on the music. I do > think there is historical value to including them. > > Warmly > Cassy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2014 15:35:02 +0000 From: c Karma Subject: RE: Mingus in concert I've been trying to talk my jazz singer friend Ann into covering "Sweet Sucker Dance" and "A Chair in the Sky" for years. I've been soft sell so far, but it's time to take the gloves off. CC > From: sem8@cornell.edu > To: lawntreader@googlemail.com > CC: ckarma@hotmail.com; joni@smoe.org > Subject: RE: Mingus in concert > Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2014 15:32:05 +0000 > > The concert's under a month away now ... rap or no rap, it will be fabulous. Mingus has a special place in my heart ... when it first came out I embarrassed myself by playing it loud at a party and standing on a chair and singing Goodbye Porkpie Hat drunk as a skunk!!! Oh the good ol days, when I felt everyone had to kneel at the altar of Joni! :-) > > Susan Tierney McNamara > email: sem8@cornell.edu > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Anita G > Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 11:19 AM > To: Susan E. McNamara > Cc: c Karma; joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: Mingus in concert > > I'm always quite enthusiastic when people re-write or add or do something different with music that I know. Personally, I was quite pleased when I wrote an extra verse to'Woodstock' and added Moby's 'We are all made of stars' on the end. > > It might be possible, with time and energy, to update the rap sections to make some commentary about the album or Mingus and Joni. The only thing with that is that I imagine most people wouldn't know the album well enough to get it and you have spend time writing it, Anita > > On 10 October 2014 16:03, Susan E. McNamara wrote: > > > I was thinking last night it would be fun to hear Robin sing "I's a > > muggin' do dat do wata" :-) > > > > Susan Tierney McNamara > > email: sem8@cornell.edu > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of c > > Karma > > Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 10:58 AM > > To: joni@smoe.org > > Subject: re: Mingus in concert > > > > I think I fall with Cassy on this. Apart from documentary value, I > > think they also provide some pacing and even some thematic reference, > > particularly for "A Chair in the Sky" and "The Dry Cleaner From Des > > Moines." > > > > <<< What does everyone else think about them and whether they are an > > essential element or not? >>> > > > > I'm not sure what the legalities would be but you could intersperse > > recordings of the actual raps in between your takes on the music. I do > > think there is historical value to including them. > > > > Warmly > > Cassy ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #340 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here:mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe