From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #329 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Website:http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe:mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Tuesday, September 30 2014 Volume 2014 : Number 329 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni celebrates her birthday in LA.... [Anita Gabrielle ] Re: Joni wedding song ["Mark" ] RE: joni and laura ["Susan E. McNamara" ] [none] [Jeff Clark ] Re: Paul Williams in the 1970's [Dave Blackburn ] Emma Watson's on feminsm to the U. N. ["Mark" ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #325 [Paul Ivice ] Joni wedding song [Jeff Clark ] Re: joni and laura [Michael Paz ] Re: We've only just begun [Dave Blackburn ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2014 08:20:42 +0100 From: Anita Gabrielle Subject: Re: Joni celebrates her birthday in LA.... Very cool! Definitely worth being a member for this one. Anita > On 30 Sep 2014, at 03:54, Steve Dulson wrote: > > http://hammer.ucla.edu/programs-events/2014/11/love-has-many-faces-the-art-of-joni-mitchell/ > > *************************************************** > Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA > FAR-West (Folk Alliance Region - West) > tinkersown@ca.rr.com www.far-west.org ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2014 18:53:27 -0700 From: Jeff Clark Subject: Re: Joni wedding song I was referring to the song Shine Mark, but I think the whole thing is a setup, like when someone would write Ann Landers with a made up problem or you call a cigar shop asking if they have Prince Albert in a can. On Monday, September 29, 2014 9:00 PM, Mark wrote: Are the two of you referring to the song 'Shine'? That is all Joni. 'If' is the Kipling adaptation. Mark in Seattle - -----Original Message----- From: Susan E. McNamara Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 7:51 AM To: Jeff Clark ; joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: RE: Joni wedding song Thanks for mentioning Shine, Jeff. That made me think of If as a great mother and son dance song, although because it was written by Rudyard Kipling, that may be tossed, too!! I guess ultimately I like the Circle Game for a mother son dance. Susan Tierney McNamara email: sem8@cornell.edu - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Clark Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 12:51 PM To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: Joni wedding song I was wondering if this issue died, or was out there lingering around unresolved, sus chord after sus chord after sus chord, like a Joni song. Thinking of good wedding songs by Joni ("everything comes and goes") Mitchell isn't easy. We are talking about a wedding, not a death march or a prison sentence, and it is not to be implied that a wedding is in any way similar to the other two. Since My Best to You is nixed for not being by Joni, I recommend Underneath the Streetlight (UTS), (trying to avoid "JRCTS" (Joni-related Carpel Tunnel Syndrome) to be edited somewhat and used as the actual wedding vows. Like the judge says "Do you swear to take this person to be your wife?" Your Honor, I swear to the blinking planes above I Do, I I swear on the disco spark dark I do, I swear on the bebop boys chasing the black bird, I do", etc. Then the song Shine (S) could be used for the mother son dance. It is a beautiful positve song about being happy despite all the crappy things in the ! world, like cell phones, lawyers, distracted drivers that don't know where they're going, doctors pills giving you brand new ills, sex selling everything, etc. And it give more attention to S, which is so underappreciated. Here in NE Ohio on a gorgeous early autumn day, I will take a long bike ride and am going to take pictures and send them to Joni and see if she feels like painting them. Jeff, still listening to Out in the Country. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2014 18:00:14 -0700 From: "Mark" Subject: Re: Joni wedding song Are the two of you referring to the song 'Shine'? That is all Joni. 'If' is the Kipling adaptation. Mark in Seattle - -----Original Message----- From: Susan E. McNamara Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 7:51 AM To: Jeff Clark ; joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: RE: Joni wedding song Thanks for mentioning Shine, Jeff. That made me think of If as a great mother and son dance song, although because it was written by Rudyard Kipling, that may be tossed, too!! I guess ultimately I like the Circle Game for a mother son dance. Susan Tierney McNamara email: sem8@cornell.edu - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Clark Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 12:51 PM To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: Joni wedding song I was wondering if this issue died, or was out there lingering around unresolved, sus chord after sus chord after sus chord, like a Joni song. Thinking of good wedding songs by Joni ("everything comes and goes") Mitchell isn't easy. We are talking about a wedding, not a death march or a prison sentence, and it is not to be implied that a wedding is in any way similar to the other two. Since My Best to You is nixed for not being by Joni, I recommend Underneath the Streetlight (UTS), (trying to avoid "JRCTS" (Joni-related Carpel Tunnel Syndrome) to be edited somewhat and used as the actual wedding vows. Like the judge says "Do you swear to take this person to be your wife?" Your Honor, I swear to the blinking planes above I Do, I I swear on the disco spark dark I do, I swear on the bebop boys chasing the black bird, I do", etc. Then the song Shine (S) could be used for the mother son dance. It is a beautiful positve song about being happy despite all the crappy things in the ! world, like cell phones, lawyers, distracted drivers that don't know where they're going, doctors pills giving you brand new ills, sex selling everything, etc. And it give more attention to S, which is so underappreciated. Here in NE Ohio on a gorgeous early autumn day, I will take a long bike ride and am going to take pictures and send them to Joni and see if she feels like painting them. Jeff, still listening to Out in the Country. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2014 14:56:53 +0000 From: "Susan E. McNamara" Subject: RE: joni and laura JoniMitchell.com has a page listing other albums where Joni appears. The Paul Williams album doesn't appear but I'm sure the page continually updates. You can add additions by emailing JoniChronology@gmail.com http://jonimitchell.com/music/miscrecordings.cfm Susan Tierney McNamara email: sem8@cornell.edu - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Clark Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 2:01 PM To: Michael Paz Cc: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: Re: joni and laura Hi Michael, I didn't realize she sang on a LOT of other peoples albums, of course on some. I just, personally, really like the SOUND of her voice at this period of Out in the Country. I find the song tailored perfectly to her singing style and I get a feeling she really enjoys singing it. There seems to be great chemistry among them. I can't really hear Linda or Jackson, but at that point (1972) I think Joni was much more famous. Paul is limited as a singer of course. I've come across people who think Joni should just write songs and not sing, probably everyone has. Plenty of people think Dylan shouldn't sing, but he still does, if you want call it that. I've been reading up a bit on Paul Williams and I definitely want to see his documentary Paul Williams Still Alive. And he won a Grammy of the year award recently? Rambling a bit, but one of my favorite clips on youtube is the 1975 grammy awards for record of the year. I would imagine most people have seen it, buy maybe not. Its where Joni is nominated for Help Me and John Lennon and Paul Simon introduce. You have to type 17th Grammy Awards John Lennon and Paul Simon record of the year, I think. Its a great time capsule. good day. On Saturday, September 27, 2014 10:54 PM, Michael Paz wrote: HI Jeff I have always thought of Joni as a great harmony singer. She did all of her own voices for so many years on her studio albums and then I can think of so many songs she has sung harmony on other peoples studio albums and live recordings. I have always loved Long Ago... and I love the duet she sang with Seal, If I Could... My 2 centavos Paz On Sep 27, 2014, at 9:34 PM, Jeff Clark wrote: I did enjoy hearing Joni sing on Out in the Country. She's not thought of as a harmony singer the way that Emmylou or Linda are, but she is a great harmony singer. Prior to this, my favorite singing of hers on someone else's album was on James Taylor's Long Ago and Far Away. Joni was sometimes referred to as the "sweet singer", and at this period I could see how the term applies. She sang beautiful duets with Johnny Cash. I love Laura and used to have most of her stuff, but things are scattered, so when I've needed a Laura fix in the past year or so I go to Youtube, and despite all the great songs Laura has written and composed and is famous for, I love hearing her do Oo-o Child. I've forwarded it to people, etc. I love the video clips of her in it. Ooh Child, most people know was popularized by the Five Stairsteps and written by Stan Vincent. I haven't seen if Stan Vincent sings it and Joni sings harmony on it yet :) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2014 13:39:27 -0700 From: Jeff Clark Subject: [none] Because she turned down an opportunity to sing with Dolly Parton, Emmylou Harris and Linda Ronstadt on a project originally entitled "Quartet" THATs why. She's not thought of as a harmony singer the way that Emmylou or Linda are, but she is a great harmonysinger. Considering that Joni sang harmony on several tracks of Carole King's Tapestry, one of the best-selling albums of all-time, the above statement is blatantly false and poorly researched, at least the first part of it. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2014 06:56:52 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: Paul Williams in the 1970's Paul is now the chairman and president of ASCAP, doing what he can to get composers paid in the new reality of content becoming free. On Sep 28, 2014, at 5:38 AM, Laura Oppermann wrote: > Wow! Haven't heard the name Paul Williams for awhile. > > Does anyone remember back in the '70's or early '80's he had a contest > (maybe a yearly thing ?) for singer/songwriters to send in their cassette > tapes and/or lyrics and win studio time with him or have famous singers > sing your song? I wish now I could remember where I heard about the > contest. > > I do remember entering more than once with a cassette of my own > composition, singing and accompanying myself on piano (it probably hit > their trash bucket after about 2 seconds ....LOL) and entered a poem/song > lyrics which was more of a wailing lament about missing my deceased father > and of the hopeless circumstance I found myself in with mom & her husband > #2. I think I probably wrote it when I was about 16 but submitted it in my > early '20's. I didn't win, but did receive an honorable mention with some > good critique from Mr. Williams himself. It was quite thrilling! > > Thanks for posting the link to the song: > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTpzTbk8cgI > It was very exciting to listen to this today, and hear Joni in the > background! Also, to learn of the link between the two of them. Hadn't a > clue! > > Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2014 12:33:33 -0700 From: "Mark" Subject: Emma Watson's on feminsm to the U. N. I am a feminist. I wish Joni would watch and listen to this intelligent and eloquent speech. http://www.vanityfair.com/vf-hollywood/2014/09/emma-watson-un-speech-feminism?mbid=social_fbshare Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2014 11:50:42 -0400 From: Paul Ivice Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #325 She's not thought of as a harmony singer the way that Emmylou or Linda are, but she is a great harmonysinger. Considering that Joni sang harmony on several tracks of Carole King's Tapestry, one of the best-selling albums of all-time, the above statement is blatantly false and poorly researched, at least the first part of it. Paul Ivice ;>) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2014 09:50:43 -0700 From: Jeff Clark Subject: Joni wedding song I was wondering if this issue died, or was out there lingering around unresolved, sus chord after sus chord after sus chord, like a Joni song. Thinking of good wedding songs by Joni ("everything comes and goes") Mitchell isn't easy. We are talking about a wedding, not a death march or a prison sentence, and it is not to be implied that a wedding is in any way similar to the other two. Since My Best to You is nixed for not being by Joni, I recommend Underneath the Streetlight (UTS), (trying to avoid "JRCTS" (Joni-related Carpel Tunnel Syndrome) to be edited somewhat and used as the actual wedding vows. Like the judge says "Do you swear to take this person to be your wife?" Your Honor, I swear to the blinking planes above I Do, I I swear on the disco spark dark I do, I swear on the bebop boys chasing the black bird, I do", etc. Then the song Shine (S) could be used for the mother son dance. It is a beautiful positve song about being happy despite all the crappy things in the world, like cell phones, lawyers, distracted drivers that don't know where they're going, doctors pills giving you brand new ills, sex selling everything, etc. And it give more attention to S, which is so underappreciated. Here in NE Ohio on a gorgeous early autumn day, I will take a long bike ride and am going to take pictures and send them to Joni and see if she feels like painting them. Jeff, still listening to Out in the Country. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2014 17:30:35 -0400 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: joni and laura Hi Jeff Here is a link to All Music which has a partial list of stuff she has sone. You can filter her credits with other people to Background vocals etc. I have always loved this web site. And I have been thinking about this for the past few days. Alot of the things I have heard her do backing vox on are live recordings and many of them bootleg or not released commercially. I find it hard to believe she did not win more grammys back in the day. I guess she came around before they had a Best New Artist and then most of the time no one knew where to put her. Ah well... Paz (in D.C. still) On Sep 28, 2014, at 2:00 PM, Jeff Clark wrote: Hi Michael, I didn't realize she sang on a LOT of other peoples albums, of course on some. I just, personally, really like the SOUND of her voice at this period of Out in the Country. I find the song tailored perfectly to her singing style and I get a feeling she really enjoys singing it. There seems to be great chemistry among them. I can't really hear Linda or Jackson, but at that point (1972) I think Joni was much more famous. Paul is limited as a singer of course. I've come across people who think Joni should just write songs and not sing, probably everyone has. Plenty of people think Dylan shouldn't sing, but he still does, if you want call it that. I've been reading up a bit on Paul Williams and I definitely want to see his documentary Paul Williams Still Alive. And he won a Grammy of the year award recently? Rambling a bit, but one of my favorite clips on youtube is the 1975 grammy awards for record of the year. I would imagine most people have seen it, buy maybe not. Its where Joni is nominated for Help Me and John Lennon and Paul Simon introduce. You have to type 17th Grammy Awards John Lennon and Paul Simon record of the year, I think. Its a great time capsule. good day. On Saturday, September 27, 2014 10:54 PM, Michael Paz wrote: HI Jeff I have always thought of Joni as a great harmony singer. She did all of her own voices for so many years on her studio albums and then I can think of so many songs she has sung harmony on other peoples studio albums and live recordings. I have always loved Long Ago... and I love the duet she sang with Seal, If I Could... My 2 centavos Paz On Sep 27, 2014, at 9:34 PM, Jeff Clark wrote: I did enjoy hearing Joni sing on Out in the Country. She's not thought of as a harmony singer the way that Emmylou or Linda are, but she is a great harmony singer. Prior to this, my favorite singing of hers on someone else's album was on James Taylor's Long Ago and Far Away. Joni was sometimes referred to as the "sweet singer", and at this period I could see how the term applies. She sang beautiful duets with Johnny Cash. I love Laura and used to have most of her stuff, but things are scattered, so when I've needed a Laura fix in the past year or so I go to Youtube, and despite all the great songs Laura has written and composed and is famous for, I love hearing her do Oo-o Child. I've forwarded it to people, etc. I love the video clips of her in it. Ooh Child, most people know was popularized by the Five Stairsteps and written by Stan Vincent. I haven't seen if Stan Vincent sings it and Joni sings harmony on it yet :) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2014 19:38:36 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: We've only just begun It makes sense that Joni would cite that song. The Carpenters were on A&M and recorded their albums in A&M studio C. Joni made her records in studio B. It is more than possible they recorded simultaneously, across the hallway from each other. Joni likely heard that song being recorded on her way to the cigarette machine. On Sep 26, 2014, at 6:35 PM, Jeff Clark wrote: > Its interesting to think about song, who wrote them and who popularized them. Thinking about the "Carpenters" We've Only Just Begun, ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #329 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here:mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe