From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #300 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Website:http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe:mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, September 10 2014 Volume 2014 : Number 300 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: Hejira - first generation master ["Susan E. McNamara" ] Re: Hejira master tape [Dave Blackburn ] Re: Hejira -- first generation master [Shari ] Re: Joni Mitchell: In Her Own Words ["Allison Crowe Music" ] Re: Hejira master tape [Dave Blackburn ] Re: Hejira -- first generation master [Dave Blackburn ] RE: DJRD ["Susan E. McNamara" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2014 14:01:21 +0000 From: "Susan E. McNamara" Subject: RE: Hejira - first generation master You continue to be close to the luckiest man on earth. And I thought you were cool just for your 60G All Prog Ipod. :-) Susan Tierney McNamara email: sem8@cornell.edu - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Dave Blackburn Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 8:48 PM To: JMDL JMDL Subject: Hejira - first generation master Hi all, A local audiophile named Kip Peterson has a sound system and playback environment to die for, with discrete monoblock amps, ribbon speakers the size of front doors, an astonishing turntable driven by Kevlar thread from a mechanically isolated motor, a top of the line CD player with outboard D to A converters, and a Studer 2 track half inch tape deck. In addition to a stunning vinyl and CD collection, Kip has a collection of master tapes of famous albums that were used to press the vinyl albums from - in other words exactly what came out of the mastering studio with the mixes cut together into the album. He has just purchased, at great expense, the first generation analog master tape of Hejira, and has invited Robin and me over tomorrow to listen through it. For me this is pretty much the Holy Grail, right here in Fallbrook! I think the rest of my bucket list has become irrelevant. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2014 08:16:42 -0700 From: Laurie Antonioli Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #1166 Hearing Joni's tapes...I just can't imagine. As an uninformed audiophile, I think I might fall to my knees. I just posted on Twitter last night how much I dislike the digital (iTunes - - MP3) version, not only of my recordings, but everyone's. Tape is golden. My first 3 records we are done analog - "Foreign Affair" in an old radio station in Maribor, Slovenia in 2004. It's coming back, tape that is...I looked into doing it again. It adds a huge expense. However, the biggest issue, if money were not, is that most of the guys that really know how to work with tape are gone. The reason all those old records, Joni's for sure - but even Sinatra, Sarah, Billie, Ella...sound so good (aside from the masterful musicianship) is the tape and the analog echo chambers. Fantasy still has those - I think there are one or two studios in Los Angeles that still have them as well. Those echo chambers are little rooms in a hallway with mics in them - - the sound goes from the board to the rooms, roams around and is sent back to the board. They let me go into the echo chambers at Fantasy. AMAZING. They had to ask me to come back out (I wanted to live in there.) Hearing those tapes will be a spiritual experience. It will go into your bones. Please describe in detail. That, and all the takes, the between takes talking. Goodness. And....I agree...if anyone should have the honor of hearing this, you and Robin have earned your seats. Laurie On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 12:00 AM, JMDL Digest wrote: > > JMDL Digest Tuesday, September 9 2014 Volume 2014 : Number 1166 > > > > ========== > > TOPICS and authors in this Digest: > -------- > Re: Hejira - first generation master [Michael Paz < > michael@thepazgroup.co] > Hejira - first generation master [Dave Blackburn < > beatntrack@att.net>] > RE: DJRD > [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] > Re: Hejira - first generation master [Jack Merkel < > merk54@aol.com>] > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2014 21:29:16 -0500 > From: Michael Paz > Subject: Re: Hejira - first generation master > > Awesome. May the gods bless you with a gracefull experience > > > > > > > > > > On Sep 8, 2014, at 7:48 PM, Dave Blackburn wrote: > > Hi all, > > A local audiophile named Kip Peterson has a sound system and playback > environment to die for, with discrete monoblock amps, ribbon speakers the > size > of front doors, an astonishing turntable driven by Kevlar thread from a > mechanically isolated motor, a top of the line CD player with outboard D > to A > converters, and a Studer 2 track half inch tape deck. In addition to a > stunning vinyl and CD collection, Kip has a collection of master tapes of > famous albums that were used to press the vinyl albums from - in other > words > exactly what came out of the mastering studio with the mixes cut together > into > the album. He has just purchased, at great expense, the first generation > analog master tape of Hejira, and has invited Robin and me over tomorrow to > listen through it. For me this is pretty much the Holy Grail, right here in > Fallbrook! > > I think the rest of my bucket list has become irrelevant. > > Dave > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2014 17:48:21 -0700 > From: Dave Blackburn > Subject: Hejira - first generation master > > Hi all, > > A local audiophile named Kip Peterson has a sound system and playback > environment to die for, with discrete monoblock amps, ribbon speakers the > size of front doors, an astonishing turntable driven by Kevlar thread from > a mechanically isolated motor, a top of the line CD player with outboard D > to A converters, and a Studer 2 track half inch tape deck. In addition to a > stunning vinyl and CD collection, Kip has a collection of master tapes of > famous albums that were used to press the vinyl albums from - in other > words exactly what came out of the mastering studio with the mixes cut > together into the album. He has just purchased, at great expense, the first > generation analog master tape of Hejira, and has invited Robin and me over > tomorrow to listen through it. For me this is pretty much the Holy Grail, > right here in Fallbrook! > > I think the rest of my bucket list has become irrelevant. > > Dave > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2014 16:20:25 -0400 > From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com > Subject: RE: DJRD > > Well, I remember watching Chris Marshall play the bass part at > Ashara's...as cool as it sounds I think I could play that! > > Bob > - ------------------------------------------------------------ > The information transmitted is intended only for the person > or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. > If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are > hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, > distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon > this message is prohibited. 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Couldn't happen to a more deserving couple. > Please fill us in afterwards! > > Jack > > Sent from my iPad > > > On Sep 8, 2014, at 7:48 PM, Dave Blackburn wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > > > A local audiophile named Kip Peterson has a sound system and playback > environment to die for, with discrete monoblock amps, ribbon speakers the > size of front doors, an astonishing turntable driven by Kevlar thread from > a mechanically isolated motor, a top of the line CD player with outboard D > to A converters, and a Studer 2 track half inch tape deck. In addition to a > stunning vinyl and CD collection, Kip has a collection of master tapes of > famous albums that were used to press the vinyl albums from - in other > words exactly what came out of the mastering studio with the mixes cut > together into the album. He has just purchased, at great expense, the first > generation analog master tape of Hejira, and has invited Robin and me over > tomorrow to listen through it. For me this is pretty much the Holy Grail, > right here in Fallbrook! > > > > I think the rest of my bucket list has become irrelevant. > > > > Dave > > ------------------------------ > > End of JMDL Digest V2014 #1166 > ****************************** > > ------- > To post messages to the list,sendtojoni@smoe.org. > Unsubscribe by clicking here: > mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe > ------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2014 08:53:25 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: Hejira master tape Thats kind of you Laurie (and Sue). However, this is not raw unedited session tapes of multiple takes with chatter, but a production master sent to the pressing plant in the Netherlands, with the songs in order. Since mastering back then involved cutting a laquer master on a lathe for vinyl pressing, this tape would be a first gen copy of what came off the board at A&M, exactly what Henry and Joni intended us to hear. I will certainly write a report, though describing a sound is ultimately only as good as the adjectives you can find. In the audiophile world they speak of a sound being forward (i.e. in the room right in front of you) and what I have heard in Kips room before was exactly that. It is the sound of tape but its also the sound of a good console, and on the other end a lack of smear from components and speakers that accurately reveal everything in the source. The ribbon speakers Kip owns are softer in timbre than normal tweeters and have a more buttery top end with no listening fatigue. Bright tweeters are said to exhibit tizz which is momentarily exciting but quickly lead to ear fatigue. Dave On Sep 9, 2014, at 8:16 AM, Laurie Antonioli wrote: > Hearing those tapes will be a spiritual experience. It will go into your bones. Please describe in detail. That, and all the takes, the between takes talking. Goodness. And....I agree...if anyone should have the honor of hearing this, you and Robin have earned your seats. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2014 08:14:48 -0700 From: Shari Subject: Re: Hejira -- first generation master Can you get Kip to invite us to a listening party?!?! > On Sep 9, 2014, at 7:06, Dave Blackburn wrote: > > Chris, > > I guess it goes like this: in the analog era it was common for a 2-track master to be sent to a plant in the US and another to Europe for pressing (maybe Asia too - I dont know). The European one was a safety copy of the US one, so I guess my heading is not quite correct, this being a copy of the first gen master. The Netherlands plant changed hands or closed down years ago and it was going to dump the contents of its tape vaults in the trash (!!!) until someone swept up the best titles and made them available for sale. They are fully authentic and have all appropriate markings on the tape box. Kip owns Blue, Court and Spark, Hejira, Dark Side of the Moon, Kind of Blue, and dozens of others. He played me some of Blue and it was so vivid it made you laugh, tape being far richer sounding than vinyl, which is subjected to heavy eq processing to conform to the RIAA curve. > > Kip also has a DSD recorder that can sample at 384kHz (a CD is 44.1kHz) so if he wanted to he could offer PONO an album at that resolution, but I suspect he wouldnt want to get involved in trading of music with possibly unknown legal complications. Remember also that scarcely anyone has a listening system that represents all the details that his does. Even old mono jazz recordings sound dimensional on his system, and how is that even possible? > > cheers all, > Dave > > > >> On Sep 9, 2014, at 6:14 AM, c Karma wrote: >> >> Congratulations Dave! If Petersen makes it available to PONO, I'll join up! >> >> How many 2 track tapes are usually struck from the multitrack for mastering? >> Might Bernie Grundman have used this one to score the wax? >> >> Would love a film documenting all of the current and past crop of hot LA >> producers from Perry and Asher to Pharrell brought together to listen on their >> choice of reference headphones, and then discuss. >> >> Your bucket is still half full. Luv to Robin. >> >> CC ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2014 01:47:46 -0700 From: "Allison Crowe Music" Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell: In Her Own Words D'accord, Kakki! I, too, read the book straight-through once I sat down and opened it! It offers us as honest and insightful a look at Joni, the artist and her art - as one can imagine in printed form. Kudos to Malka, and thanks, always, to and for Joni!! - ------------------------------ > Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2014 21:32:25 -0700 > From: kbhla@fastmail.fm > Subject: Joni Mitchell: In Her Own Words > Based on the positive early reviews here, I ordered the book and read it > straight through in 6 hrs. last night. When a book is that good and > about a favorite subject, I can't put it down. > It is hard to describe all the ways that this one is so wonderful. It > is the most true and real depiction of Joni I've ever read... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2014 13:14:43 +0000 From: c Karma Subject: Re: Hejira -- first generation master Congratulations Dave! If Petersen makes it available to PONO, I'll join up! How many 2 track tapes are usually struck from the multitrack for mastering? Might Bernie Grundman have used this one to score the wax? Would love a film documenting all of the current and past crop of hot LA producers from Perry and Asher to Pharrell brought together to listen on their choice of reference headphones, and then discuss. Your bucket is still half full. Luv to Robin. CC ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2014 08:53:25 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: Hejira master tape Thats kind of you Laurie (and Sue). However, this is not raw unedited session tapes of multiple takes with chatter, but a production master sent to the pressing plant in the Netherlands, with the songs in order. Since mastering back then involved cutting a laquer master on a lathe for vinyl pressing, this tape would be a first gen copy of what came off the board at A&M, exactly what Henry and Joni intended us to hear. I will certainly write a report, though describing a sound is ultimately only as good as the adjectives you can find. In the audiophile world they speak of a sound being forward (i.e. in the room right in front of you) and what I have heard in Kips room before was exactly that. It is the sound of tape but its also the sound of a good console, and on the other end a lack of smear from components and speakers that accurately reveal everything in the source. The ribbon speakers Kip owns are softer in timbre than normal tweeters and have a more buttery top end with no listening fatigue. Bright tweeters are said to exhibit tizz which is momentarily exciting but quickly lead to ear fatigue. Dave On Sep 9, 2014, at 8:16 AM, Laurie Antonioli wrote: > Hearing those tapes will be a spiritual experience. It will go into your bones. Please describe in detail. That, and all the takes, the between takes talking. Goodness. And....I agree...if anyone should have the honor of hearing this, you and Robin have earned your seats. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2014 07:06:41 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: Hejira -- first generation master Chris, I guess it goes like this: in the analog era it was common for a 2-track master to be sent to a plant in the US and another to Europe for pressing (maybe Asia too - I dont know). The European one was a safety copy of the US one, so I guess my heading is not quite correct, this being a copy of the first gen master. The Netherlands plant changed hands or closed down years ago and it was going to dump the contents of its tape vaults in the trash (!!!) until someone swept up the best titles and made them available for sale. They are fully authentic and have all appropriate markings on the tape box. Kip owns Blue, Court and Spark, Hejira, Dark Side of the Moon, Kind of Blue, and dozens of others. He played me some of Blue and it was so vivid it made you laugh, tape being far richer sounding than vinyl, which is subjected to heavy eq processing to conform to the RIAA curve. Kip also has a DSD recorder that can sample at 384kHz (a CD is 44.1kHz) so if he wanted to he could offer PONO an album at that resolution, but I suspect he wouldnt want to get involved in trading of music with possibly unknown legal complications. Remember also that scarcely anyone has a listening system that represents all the details that his does. Even old mono jazz recordings sound dimensional on his system, and how is that even possible? cheers all, Dave On Sep 9, 2014, at 6:14 AM, c Karma wrote: > Congratulations Dave! If Petersen makes it available to PONO, I'll join up! > > How many 2 track tapes are usually struck from the multitrack for mastering? > Might Bernie Grundman have used this one to score the wax? > > Would love a film documenting all of the current and past crop of hot LA > producers from Perry and Asher to Pharrell brought together to listen on their > choice of reference headphones, and then discuss. > > Your bucket is still half full. Luv to Robin. > > CC ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2014 16:44:32 -0700 From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Joni Covers 196 - I don't know where they're coming from There were (4) different recordings on the CD...I think (hope) we have done them all! So glad you liked it. He definitely did it his way...this was one of the tracks on the Reprise "A Case Of Joni" CD that was shelved. Actually, this recording was on the "Unmastered Listening Ref Only" version that had (2) extra tracks. Many of these recordings were officially released later on, this one never was. And speaking of covers, on top of Dave & Robin's release which I am very excited about, Les pointed me to yet another Joni Tribute CD - this one by a Dutch band called Kadoos, and ALL of the songs are translated into Dutch. You can buy a copy here: http://www.strictlycountryrecords.com/en/albums/joni-goes-dutch You can hear samples of all the tracks here (thanks Monica!): http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/kadoos They do all 3 of the top 3 but also turn in a Hejira, a Slouching, a Jericho, and several other deeper song selections. No rest for the Coversmeister! Bob NP: The Cure, "Pictures Of You (Extended Dub Mix)" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2014 15:03:33 +0300 From: DearMusic DJockey Subject: Re: Mutts of the Planet's Hejira Live will be available in one more week Just a quick post, only to share here my amazement and praise for Robin and the Mutts of the Planet for their committed, refined and deep rendition of Hejira, part of which I have just watched at their youtube channel. Kudos and respect to you Dave, Robin, Kevin and the rest of the Mutts! You are all great musicians and JM affictionados! Dear Music DJ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2014 08:30:00 -0700 From: Shari Subject: DJRD I was listening to this song and listened more closely to the lyric 'I touched you on the central plains It was plane to train my twin It was just plane shadow to train shadow But to me it was skin to skin' The shadows overlapping on the ground! Touching skin to skin. My god. What an incredible way to again tell that story of the snake and eagle being one. Lots of Joni, Shari ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2014 19:30:00 +0000 From: "Susan E. McNamara" Subject: RE: DJRD I think I spent most of last summer trying to memorize the words, sing and play this whole song. It was like working out for a marathon!!! :-) Susan Tierney McNamara email: sem8@cornell.edu - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Jack Merkel Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 2:54 PM To: Shari Cc: joni Subject: Re: DJRD Shari, While there are plenty of other Joni songs that I have a deeper emotional connection with, the lyrics to DJRD just knock me out! The imagination on display in these lyrics is remarkable. IMO, this is Joni at her most exhilarating creative peak. The imagery, the pacing, the musicianship, her signing all leave me breathless every time I listen to it. Jack Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 8, 2014, at 10:30 AM, Shari wrote: > > I was listening to this song and listened more closely to the lyric > > 'I touched you on the central plains > It was plane to train my twin > It was just plane shadow to train shadow But to me it was skin to > skin' > > The shadows overlapping on the ground! Touching skin to skin. My god. > What an incredible way to again tell that story of the snake and eagle being one. > > Lots of Joni, > Shari ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #300 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here:mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe