From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #286 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Website:http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe:mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Monday, August 25 2014 Volume 2014 : Number 286 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Review: Joni Mitchell In Her Own Words: Conversations With Malka Marom [M] The Malka book [Bob Muller ] Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #1120 [Laurie Antonioli ] Re: AUTO: Donald R. Barthel/111527/EKC is out of the office. (returning 08/26/2014) [Anita Gabrielle ] Re: Both sides now something's lost, something's gained [Bob.Muller@Fluor] Re: Notches [Lori Renee Fye ] Re: Notches [Shari ] Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #1120 ["Mark" ] Re: Notches ["Mark" ] Subject: Re: Joni's best albums vocally [Bruce Eggleston Subject: Review: Joni Mitchell In Her Own Words: Conversations With Malka Marom source: http://www.rebeatmag.com/book-joni-mitchell-in-her-own-words-conversations-with-malka-marom/ August 21, 2014 by Sharon Lacey Therebs a wonderful moment in Joni Mitchell In Her Own Words: Conversations With Malka Marom in which both Marom and Mitchell exchange amusing stories of Leonard Cohen, and meeting his Buddhist master, Roshi. As they banter about him and his not-so-honorable intentions, the reader feels like a guest at a first-rate dinner party, listening to incredible people tell fascinating tales about other incredible people. That is what makes this new book about Joni Mitchell so special: not the gossip, but the relationship between these two women. Marom is a remarkable woman herself; she began her career as a folksinger as part of the duo Malka & Joso and has since become an award-winning documentary filmmaker and radio broadcaster. In fact, her short introduction at the beginning of the book on her own life is fascinating enough to be expanded into a book of its own. She tells the tale of how she first met Mitchell in 1966 during her early days on the Toronto coffeehouse circuit. Because of their long history together, itbs apparent Mitchell is comfortable and relaxed answering Marombs questions b which comprise the bookbs bconversationsb b and comes across as warm, intelligent and actually quite modest at times. In fact, the chronology of the interviews is quite effective, as it offers different and interesting perspectives at unique points in Mitchellbs career. The first was conducted when Mitchell was at the height of her success during the making of Court & Spark in 1973; the second in 1979, when she was in the midst of her more experimental years; and the final and most recent interview from 2012, where she looks back at her life and work with new wisdom. The transcripts of these interviews reveal plenty of amusing tidbits and recollections, particularly concerning Bob Dylan and the aforementioned Cohen. Dylan doesnbt get half the chiding you might expect, although hebs, without a doubt, something of a fallen hero for Mitchell. Cohen is mostly spoken of with affection (and sometimes bewilderment) as both Mitchell and Marom are still good friends with him; Mitchell even mentions having a wonderful time at one of his recent concerts in the 2012 interview. There are also fascinating little glimpses into Mitchellbs everyday life, like her enjoyment of Woody Allenbs Midnight In Paris (bItbs brilliant. Itbs got a brilliant conclusion: enjoy the air youbre part ofb); her anecdote about turning down $1m to appear for one night in Las Vegas (bThatbs stupid integrity, isnbt it?b); her apathy regarding TV talent shows (bThe judgebs panelb& they like volumeb& itbs contemporary taste, itbs just not mineb); her views on relationships these days (bI really watch out for any romance at my age. A friendship, yeahb& but no romanceb); and the fact that, although unimpressed by a lot of modern music, Mitchell really likes Emeli SandC) (bShebs a great new talent, the first one Ibve heard in 20-something yearsb). Ultimately, though, Marombs immensely readable book isnbt really about the gossip; itbs about Joni Mitchellbs art. It is, without a doubt, the best book so far about her creative process and her continuing need to innovate and make completely unique music. In her most recent interview, she tells Marom, bI was never addicted to applauseb& the measure for me was the art itself.b Even her accounts of her youth, her time as an unwed mother alone in Toronto, and her unhappy first marriage to Chuck Mitchell, are told in relation to how they formed her as an artist b and are often quite revealing. Mitchellbs frustration with how some of her more challenging and innovative work has been received is still a bone of contention for her, but itbs most obvious in the 1979 interview, done just before her collaborative album with Charles Mingus was released. (There are also lots of warm recollections of the time she spent working with the jazz legend.) Rather nicely, a lot of her artwork is included throughout, along with lyrics from many of her greatest songs. As the women discuss the writing, recording and often-detailed meanings behind the words, referencing the full text makes it easy to understand exactly what they are talking about. Other books about Mitchell have tried to get to the root of her songs in this way, but learning the background and process from Mitchell herself is what makes this book particularly special and insightful, as she, like her songs, is never afraid to open her heart and be truthful. Whether speaking about events in her life that inspired her art, or her opinions about the world (everything from religion to sexism to evils of the music business is covered), or people shebs known, she is always as interesting and brilliant as her songs would suggest. In 1979, Marom asks Mitchell what her goal for her career is. bTo make modern American music,b she replies, simply. This book, an absolutely essential read for any Joni Mitchell fan, reveals she has achieved so much more than that as a poet, painter, and musician. But it also makes you wish you could be friends with both Mitchell and Marom, just to listen to them talk some more. Joni Mitchell In Her Own Words: Conversations with Malka Marom is out September 9, 2014, from ECW Press. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2014 06:00:34 -0700 From: Bob Muller Subject: The Malka book Well, I couldn't put it down. I finished it yesterday. It's a great read, some of the familiar stories but LOTS of new things. As Joni is just conversing with a friend, her guard is down and she's very candid. Also some photos and paintings I'd not seen. Essential is a good word for it. Bob NP: Spoon, "Do You" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2014 18:25:19 -0700 From: Laurie Antonioli Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #1120 Been meaning to read "Lush Life" in my spare time (hah!!) - some day I will read again. I have the new Joni book here and am getting a few paragraphs in at a time. Bedside book pile is stacked high. Laurie On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 6:20 PM, Mark wrote: > David Hajdu's 'Lush Life' is also an interesting read. Unfortunately, the > used copy I bought years ago has a bunch of pages missing out of it > somewhere towards the last quarter of the book. I didn't discover this > until I finally started reading it about a month ago. I need to get > another copy so I can finish it. Some say that Strayhorn didn't get the > credit he deserved for a lot of the arrangement and composition work he did > for Ellington. Hajdu points out that Billy lived his life as an openly gay > man and that Ellington's patronage gave him a chance to create the music he > did. During the times Strayhorn lived in, his sexuality would have closed a > lot of doors. Ellington gave him the opportunity to be the musician and > composer that he was. Unfortunately, the trade-off was that Billy didn't > get credit for a lot of the collaborative work he did with the Duke. > > Mark in Seattle > > -----Original Message----- From: simon@icu.com > Sent: Friday, August 22, 2014 11:33 AM > To: joni@smoe.org > Cc: Laurie Antonioli ; donald.barthel@kodak.com > Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #1120 > > > Laurie Antonioli wrote: > > > Seems that most geniuses are that way from a young age. Billy > Strayhorn > > wrote "Lush Life" when he was 17. That's a real mind-blower. Look > at the > > great painters - many lived short lives as did many genius > musicians. Here > > for a flash to do their "work" and then gone. I'm so grateful Joni > is still with us. > > > > Laurie > > Donald Barthel wrote: > > > Wow! That does blow my mind about Bill Strayhorn and "Lush Life! > > (One of my very favorite songs!) > > Donald R. Barthel > > > Laurie, Donald and others ... > > May find the following interesting. > > BILLY STRAYHORN - IN THE LIFE > > > BILLY STRAYHORN: LUSH LIFE - Preview - PBS > > > > I expect the complete LUSH LIFE documentary will be available soon. > > > > > andmoreagain, > - - - - - - - - - > simonM ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2014 18:44:20 +0100 From: Anita Gabrielle Subject: Re: AUTO: Donald R. Barthel/111527/EKC is out of the office. (returning 08/26/2014) I see Donald is away again. Not sure whether to call the number about my urgent need, though.Has anyone else rung? Anita > On 22 Aug 2014, at 08:30, donald.barthel@kodak.com wrote: > > I am out of the office until 08/26/2014. > > If your need is urgent: 242-9943 or pgr 975-8089. > . > > > Note: This is an automated response to your message "onlyJMDL Digest V2014 > #283" sent on 8/22/2014 3:00:03 AM. > > This is the only notification you will receive while this person is away. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2014 14:29:45 -0700 From: Laurie Antonioli Subject: Video Hi Dear JMDL friends -- Thought you might enjoy seeing a "behind the scenes" look of the new CD. Thanks so much for all your support - it's been really amazing. Hope you enjoy the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6QNK_RRxoQ All the best, Laurie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2014 09:01:41 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Both sides now something's lost, something's gained How else has joni inspired us and given us words for our experiences?> Marianne?? YOU of all people paved toad paradise and put up a parking lot? (Sigh) Just kidding, sweetheart. To answer your question, the other line in BSN that whacks my head with a board is "if you care, don't let them know, don't give yourself away". Such a bittersweet line from someone so young. Anita will know the other inspirational line..."today I am not prey to dark uncertainty". Now THAT'S inspirational. Happy Thursday Hippies! Bob NP: Little Feat, "Willin'" (some inspiration in this one too) - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. 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Lori Caldwell, Idaho ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2014 09:53:02 -0400 From: Shari Subject: Re: Notches I believe the idea is that the woman's call for freedom led the man to drink bc of the guilt he felt subconsciously (anima rising). The room full of glasses are the notches in her belt. The punches he's had to take. On Aug 22, 2014, at 8:55, Lori Renee Fye wrote: >> I understand that that sort of thing happens to our hearing >> as we age, Lori. >> >> ;-) > > HA! :-D > > Really though, I wonder if "You're not just liberation, doll" was really > what Joni intended. "You're not just liberation, doll. You're much more." > ("You're something else." "You're all woman." Could be many things.) > > Notches never made sense to me, whether belt or bedpost. > > Lori > Caldwell, Idaho ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2014 18:20:12 -0700 From: "Mark" Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #1120 David Hajdu's 'Lush Life' is also an interesting read. Unfortunately, the used copy I bought years ago has a bunch of pages missing out of it somewhere towards the last quarter of the book. I didn't discover this until I finally started reading it about a month ago. I need to get another copy so I can finish it. Some say that Strayhorn didn't get the credit he deserved for a lot of the arrangement and composition work he did for Ellington. Hajdu points out that Billy lived his life as an openly gay man and that Ellington's patronage gave him a chance to create the music he did. During the times Strayhorn lived in, his sexuality would have closed a lot of doors. Ellington gave him the opportunity to be the musician and composer that he was. Unfortunately, the trade-off was that Billy didn't get credit for a lot of the collaborative work he did with the Duke. Mark in Seattle - -----Original Message----- From: simon@icu.com Sent: Friday, August 22, 2014 11:33 AM To: joni@smoe.org Cc: Laurie Antonioli ; donald.barthel@kodak.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #1120 Laurie Antonioli wrote: > Seems that most geniuses are that way from a young age. Billy Strayhorn > wrote "Lush Life" when he was 17. That's a real mind-blower. Look at the > great painters - many lived short lives as did many genius musicians. Here > for a flash to do their "work" and then gone. I'm so grateful Joni is still with us. > > Laurie Donald Barthel wrote: > Wow! That does blow my mind about Bill Strayhorn and "Lush Life! > (One of my very favorite songs!) > Donald R. Barthel Laurie, Donald and others ... May find the following interesting. BILLY STRAYHORN - IN THE LIFE BILLY STRAYHORN: LUSH LIFE - Preview - PBS I expect the complete LUSH LIFE documentary will be available soon. andmoreagain, - - - - - - - - - - simonM ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2014 18:01:55 -0700 From: "Mark" Subject: Re: Notches Take the apostrophe out and get that 'e' off the end of the possessive pronoun 'your'. A roomful of glasses 'Your notches, liberation doll!' Makes perfect sense to me and apparently to Shari as well. Why do I always do this? Going to sit in my corner now. Mark in Seattle - -----Original Message----- From: Anita Gabrielle Sent: Friday, August 22, 2014 8:39 AM To: Shari Cc: Lori Renee Fye ; Mark ; Joni List Subject: Re: Notches In the 80s, I always sang "You're not just liberation, doll" then assumed, when the song was discussed over the years after JMDL that I must have heard it wrong, so started singing "notches"! Not just versus Notches I can imagine asking Joni which is correct and her saying "I don't remember" or "who cares"? Well I still do! Anita xx > On 22 Aug 2014, at 14:53, Shari wrote: > > I believe the idea is that the woman's call for freedom led the man to > drink bc of the guilt he felt subconsciously (anima rising). The room full > of glasses are the notches in her belt. The punches he's had to take. > > > On Aug 22, 2014, at 8:55, Lori Renee Fye wrote: > >>> I understand that that sort of thing happens to our hearing >>> as we age, Lori. >>> >>> ;-) >> >> HA! :-D >> >> Really though, I wonder if "You're not just liberation, doll" was really >> what Joni intended. "You're not just liberation, doll. You're much >> more." >> ("You're something else." "You're all woman." Could be many things.) >> >> Notches never made sense to me, whether belt or bedpost. >> >> Lori >> Caldwell, Idaho ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2014 07:14:28 -0600 From: Bruce Eggleston Subject: Subject: Re: Joni's best albums vocally > It has always been "Ladies of the Canyon," La Mitchell fully formed, enlightened, and worldly to a dazzling degree. The Bonneville ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #286 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here:mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe