From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #281 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Website:http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe:mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Thursday, August 21 2014 Volume 2014 : Number 281 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Both sides now something's lost, something's gained ["Paul Meyer-stro] RE: how she brought Duke into her arrangements [c Karma ] Re: Best vocal [Anita Gabrielle ] New Library item: CRUCIAL CD COLLECTION: Joni Mitchell [TheStaff@JoniMitc] Re: Joni's best albums vocally [Jim Mcmeans ] Last Week Tonight with John Oliver: Ferguson, MO. & Police Militarization [simon@icu.c] re: Joni's best album vocally [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] RE: Vince Mendoza's arrangements & orchestrations [c Karma ] Vince Mendoza's arrangements & orchestrations [simon@icu.com] Joni's best album vocally [Betsy Blue ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2014 21:15:43 -0700 From: "Paul Meyer-strom" Subject: Re: Both sides now something's lost, something's gained Beautifully expressed. You said my feelings perfectly (although I haven't frog holes in my barn floor to repair). A rare and beautiful ability to spot and describe profundities with elegant, clear, and unique verse. SIQUOMB - -------------------------------------------------- From: "Marianne Rizzo" Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2014 8:03 PM To: "joni list" Subject: Both sides now something's lost, something's gained > SOMETHING'S LOST and SOMETHING'S GAINED in LIVING everyday > Well, I was talking to patti about this. > "something's lost and something's gained in living everyday." > This truly, profound statement was written by a special 23? year old > person? > > I am so touched by this statement. I think of this often. . > So many times I have found this in life. . . . > Something's lost and something's gained. . . . > > I pour some concrete in my barn to repair the ground and perhaps closing > up some habitat for toads and for a while, I no longer saw the toads in > my barn, and I thought, something's lost and something's gained in living > every day. I thought perhaps I had cemented over habitat. ( they came > back, later though!) > But, we lose one thing in this continuation of life, and we hopefully gain > another thing. . . > THIS is the cycle of life . . . . continuous, yet broken. > > WHO sees this at 23 years old, 21 years old? WHO arrives at this and is > then able to express it? > I don't know if I would have come to this myself. > What other profound thoughts/analysis are found in this mind/heart of > joni? > A very smart, intellectual, contemplative, creative one. > A gift to us. Thank you joni. > > How else has joni inspired us and given us words for our experiences? > We are better for it. > Marianne ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2014 20:32:59 +0000 From: c Karma Subject: RE: how she brought Duke into her arrangements Closest illustration that comes to mind right away is the actual use of horns in the intro for "Car on a Hill." Tom Scott channeled how Duke would have arranged it but I could just as easily hear Joni doing those lines vocally. Compare "Jeep's Blues" (Duke) to "Cotton Avenue." CC From: simon@icu.com Subject: how she brought Duke into her arrangements Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2014 13:44:17 -0400 To: ckarma@hotmail.com On Aug 20, 2014, at 11:05 AM, c Karma wrote: Sue, I always thought it was how she best brought the Duke into herarrangements. Her background vocals were the stacked horns.Their slides made them snaky.CC Now this I find most interesting. Would you care to elaborate? Duke Ellington just happens to be my Most Favorite musician. Period! Id love to hear more. andmoreagain,- - - - - - - - -simonM ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2014 15:05:47 +0000 From: c Karma Subject: RE: Talking about Joni's voice Sue,I always thought it was how she best brought the Duke into her arrangements. Her background vocals were the stacked horns. Their slides made them snaky.CC Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 14:23:38 +0000 From: "Susan E. McNamara" Subject: RE: Talking about Joni's voice ... Plus when she can replicate her own voice into many layered background vocals I guess she doesn't need to enlist as many female vocalists. Susan Tierney McNamara email: sem8@cornell.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2014 23:25:04 +0100 From: Anita Gabrielle Subject: Re: Best vocal It's June 2nd 2014: At Dave and Robin's House near Fallbrook. Dave shares his sound system with Half a dozen or so of us Joni Listers and Friends. The 2000 version Vince Mendoza version of 'A Case Of You' rolls from the speakers. It is as though I have never heard it before. A deep, cracked Joni voice bleeds every word. I begin to sob. And I am not alone. Anita > On 18 Aug 2014, at 21:53, jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com wrote: > > Truly, anything from LOTC through WTRF. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2014 09:47:50 -0600 (MDT) From: TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com Subject: New Library item: CRUCIAL CD COLLECTION: Joni Mitchell Title: CRUCIAL CD COLLECTION: Joni Mitchell Publication: Business Day Live (South Africa) Date: 2014.8.18 http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2815 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2014 18:18:48 -0500 From: Jim Mcmeans Subject: Re: Joni's best albums vocally Suppose she'll meet me some day? Would anyone "help me" meet her? Would love to have a "conversation" with her. I've had the "urge for going" to "California" to do so. Maybe we'll meet at a "barangrill"?.... Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 17, 2014, at 5:59 PM, "David J. Phillips" wrote: > > Yes, Hissing. Power, ideals, and beauty not yet fading. > djp > > >> On 17/08/14 18:2052, Lori Renee Fye wrote: >> Jim McM asked: >> >>> This is a tough one, but....what do you think is Joni's best albums >>> vocally? Where her voice just penetrates your soul (the most). Yes, >>> I know, stupid question, but I lean toward "for the roses". >> >> I agree with Catherine: It's not a stupid question at all. >> >> I think the album that blows me away most in a vocal sense is "The Hissing >> of Summer Lawns." Joni's voice on a few of the songs on that album just >> cut my heart to its core, and that's a good thing as far as I'm concerned. >> >> Lori, >> whose all-time favorite album by anyone ever remains "Hejira," >> on a sunny Sunday in Caldwell, Idaho ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2014 12:55:27 -0400 From: simon@icu.com Subject: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver: Ferguson, MO. & Police Militarization Published on Aug 17, 2014 LAST WEEK TONIGHT WITH JOHN OLIVER In the wake of the shooting of Michael Brown in Ferguson, MO., John Oliver explores the racial inequality in treatment by police as well as the increasing militarization of Americas local police forces. - - - - - - War Zone In Ferguson: How Billions In Military Weapons Ended Up In The Hands Of Local Police AndSoItGoes, - - - - - - - - - simonM ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2014 14:02:28 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: re: Joni's best album vocally I think that Both Sides Now should get a special mention> The whole album or just the title track? Frankly I think that vocally most of BSN is so-so, and what makes it stand out are Vince Mendoza's arrangements and the orchestration. Bob NP: Drive-By Truckers, "Natural Light" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 22:51:28 +0000 From: c Karma Subject: RE: Vince Mendoza's arrangements & orchestrations Travelogue has great moments and less than great moments. Overall it's a B+ for me. "Woodstock" is an amazing arrangement: Lyndon Johnson meets Chief Seattle, "Slouching Toward Bethlehem" is less so. You can't tune an orchestra to her tunings, can you? It's all the same 12 notes.I was never good with theorytoo much math. CC > Subject: Vince Mendoza's arrangements & orchestrations > From: simon@icu.com > Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2014 18:58:01 -0400 > CC: ckarma@hotmail.com; scjoniguy@yahoo.com > To: joni@smoe.org > > Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: > > > I think that Both Sides Now should get a special mention > > > > The whole album or just the title track? Frankly I think that vocally most > > of BSN is so-so, and what makes it stand out are Vince Mendoza's > > arrangements and the orchestration. > > Bob, > > Interesting. To me the Vince Mendoza arrangements & orchestration > are the problem with the BOTH SIDES NOW album. > > When Wally and I first heard about Joni recording an album of standards, > we hoped and assumed that it would end up being done with a small jazz > combo. Perhaps Herbie Hancock, Wayne Shorter, Larry Klein, Brian Blade > and unspecified others. Alas, it was not to be. > > As for Vince Mendoza and TRAVELOGUE  How / Why would you write orchestrations > of Joni Mitchell songs and not base them on her Guitar Tunings? > > Ive often wondered what TRAVELOGUE would have sounded like if the arrangements > and orchestrations had been done by either Randy Newman or Van Dyke Parks. > > Now THAT! would have been interesting. > > > > andmoreagain, > - - - - - - - - - > simonM > > http://jonimitchell.com/chronology/complete.cfm > > http://jonimitchell.com/chronology/chronology_v4.0.pdf > > http://jonimitchell.com/music/InspiredByJoni_theAlbums.pdf ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 20:59:26 -0700 From: "Mark" Subject: Both Sides Now Nice short piece by Gail Sheehy. http://online.wsj.com/articles/the-many-sides-of-joni-mitchells-both-sides-now-1408469316 Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2014 18:58:01 -0400 From: simon@icu.com Subject: Vince Mendoza's arrangements & orchestrations Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: > I think that Both Sides Now should get a special mention > > The whole album or just the title track? Frankly I think that vocally most > of BSN is so-so, and what makes it stand out are Vince Mendoza's > arrangements and the orchestration. Bob, Interesting. To me the Vince Mendoza arrangements & orchestration are the problem with the BOTH SIDES NOW album. When Wally and I first heard about Joni recording an album of standards, we hoped and assumed that it would end up being done with a small jazz combo. Perhaps Herbie Hancock, Wayne Shorter, Larry Klein, Brian Blade and unspecified others. Alas, it was not to be. As for Vince Mendoza and TRAVELOGUE  How / Why would you write orchestrations of Joni Mitchell songs and not base them on her Guitar Tunings? Ive often wondered what TRAVELOGUE would have sounded like if the arrangements and orchestrations had been done by either Randy Newman or Van Dyke Parks. Now THAT! would have been interesting. andmoreagain, - - - - - - - - - - simonM http://jonimitchell.com/chronology/complete.cfm http://jonimitchell.com/chronology/chronology_v4.0.pdf http://jonimitchell.com/music/InspiredByJoni_theAlbums.pdf ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2014 16:25:00 -0700 From: Betsy Blue Subject: Joni's best album vocally I'll put in a vote for TI. Betsy ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #281 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here:mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe