From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #245 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Website:http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe:mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, July 23 2014 Volume 2014 : Number 245 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Us [Laura Stanley ] Re: vocalese [Dave Blackburn ] covers [Vincenzo Mancini ] Long live listers [Ingrid Lochrenberg ] Re: vocalese [Dave Blackburn ] Re: covers [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] covers [Vincenzo Mancini ] Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #945 [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #945 [Laurie Antonioli ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2014 02:04:24 -0700 From: Laura Stanley Subject: Us I have this wonderful new love. She's deep and spiritual and evolved. She's older than I am, hippie age. As we get closer, she is wondering what is this thing I have for Joni? It's making me ask myself the same question. I gave her Blue, out of the blue. I'm all about recycling so I buy from a place called The Arkansas Record Exchange. What's there is what's there, and it is unpredictable. Blue was there so I got it for her. She really likes River because it is melodic. Tonight we jetted songs back and forth to each other. Of all the Joni I shared with her, she likes Shades of Scarlett Conquering. I like her Jim Chappell - Hopes and Dreams http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bf75gjwqtpU and Melody Gardot - Baby I'm a Fool http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcebJ37cZKQ What is this thing I have for Joni? I was watching a little bit of a show my kids had on about 60's music, and it was talking about the concept of an "album" and how there was actually a time when albums didn't have themes or cohesiveness and then this became the thing to do. Cohesiveness. Joni's albums are cohesive not only in themselves but among themselves like stages of life. They remind me of the New Mexico sun symbol. You can see it explained here: http://www.e-referencedesk.com/resources/state-symbols/new-mexico/symbo l.html Her albums each have an equal but unique place in the whole of her work to date. Relationship. When I think of Joni's music, I think of synesthesia, relating. It is there beginning with the guitar strings she tunes so uniquely. Of all of Joni's songs, I relate best to "Song to a Seagull." The other day I almost died laughing when I saw a beautiful photo of a seagull Kilauren took and her words by it, "song to a shit hawk." That opened my eyes and my lungs to both sides of the bird. Like mother, like daughter in the gift of words! Expressive truth... What is this thing I have for Joni? I guess it is the same thing as the joy of playing a musical instrument and the incredible experience of it being a part of me that could not otherwise be expressed. Joni's words and music are that to me. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2014 09:58:31 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: vocalese Joni herself wrote the words to the melody AND John Handys tenor sax solo of Goodbye Porkpie Hat on the 1959 Mingus, Ah-Um album, so she was responsible for some vocalese of her own. On Jul 22, 2014, at 7:19 AM, Laurie Antonioli wrote: > Well...since some of us are jazz geeks here, here is the whole background > on "Twisted." Annie Ross, of Lambert, Hendricks & Ross essentially only > wrote 3 vocalese lyrics while with LHR. Vocalese is the art of putting > lyrics to a pre-existing improvised instrumental solo. Jon Hendricks, the > master of vocalese, wrote all the other lyrics. "Twisted" is part of this > trio of songs that also include "Jackie" and "Farmer's Market." All of > these songs are blues, though it's not usually apparent unless you're a > jazz musician - not down home blues, but bebop blues. Anyway...(are you > still with me?)...the tenor saxophonist that played these 3 songs that > Annie put lyrics to is the late Wardell Gray. His horn solo is what the > lyrics are "following" on "Twisted" - the "melody" is the "My analyst told > me.." and so on for 12 bars, 2 times and then its' a winding road - a horn > solo. All of LHR's music, for the most part, was in this style - the > vocalese art form. And finally, Annie Ross was one of Joni's idols or > influences. > > Annie is definitely one of my influences. "Twisted" is one of THE most > classic vocal jazz bebop songs in that genre. The other really famous one > that was done by a famous musician, George Benson, is "Moody's Mood For > Love" - he didn't write it - but he made it famous (outside the jazz > world.) I won't go into detail on that song but it's the same thing. > > Joni "covered" Twisted - and is, by the way, where I heard it first -- and > there was Bette Midler -- but, once I got into LHR, I was obsessed with > them. Annie still sings in NY once a week at the Metropolitan Room. I saw > her years ago. She, like Joni, was known for sky high vocals (Annie much > higher than Joni) but no longer hits those notes. She, however, is still > as soulful as Joni is in her later years (Annie must be in her 80's now.) > > And there you have it! > > Laurie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2014 15:09:43 +0100 From: Vincenzo Mancini Subject: covers Maybe it's neither a blanket refusal nor ostracism nor stigma..., maybe it's simply that her "method acting" comes to be "number one" ;-), or in other (JM) words, it's that her versions [after all, it's her music ;-)] is the "awk*" to us, people deeply touched by it, according to millions of different nuances... That does not prevent us from appreciating one cover or the other, frequently or not, and yet, it's not her! And as an indirect sign of her stellar "method acting", I think that her "Summertime" or "The Man I Love" could easily rank among almost any of ours TOP FIVE covers [can I launch another thread? ;-)], not to mention her "Twisted"... Vincenzo * (not really sure of the orthography...) she mentioned it, if I recall it correctly, during the DED promotional tour, telling a story about penguins, able to recognize one another because of their own peculiar "awk" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2014 06:31:15 +0200 From: Ingrid Lochrenberg Subject: Long live listers I have been so warmed by people encouraging me to keep writing. Mark, I am glad that you describe Joni as writing intellectual music along describing the immense emotional content of it.....To use Lori's wording, that we all are captivated by her warm chords. And then when we comment on her music we are mostly spinning around her lyrics. It is a gift that Joni has given us to pay such attention to those lyrics.....and revealing so much of herself, and thereby expressing what others have at the edge of their consciousness but do not communicate. It is wonderful that we can celebrate Joni by spinning around these lyrics...it gives us something (of her music) to connect us to the pool of human subliminal perceptions and longings, and specifically it helps us to communicate about things we wouldn't otherwise have a foothold to reach. Mark, I understand that you and others arrive at places in your thoughts that are not easily followed-perhaps because it is so uniquely personal and so deep, and so private,......I would like it if we engaged more on some of those personal places. But, I am happy enough that people are encouraging of others expressiveness, and I understand that just glimpsing and gliding over other's writing is most of what people can or may do, and that that is in itself a compliment.....that this list is a compliment not only to Joni, but to all of us. I for one will keep on writing, even if I am unsure of myself. I have more time at my disposal, and am going to try to give more of what I have received, here....meaning to encourage others in their writing. Ingrid ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2014 09:58:31 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: vocalese Joni herself wrote the words to the melody AND John Handys tenor sax solo of Goodbye Porkpie Hat on the 1959 Mingus, Ah-Um album, so she was responsible for some vocalese of her own. On Jul 22, 2014, at 7:19 AM, Laurie Antonioli wrote: > Well...since some of us are jazz geeks here, here is the whole background > on "Twisted." Annie Ross, of Lambert, Hendricks & Ross essentially only > wrote 3 vocalese lyrics while with LHR. Vocalese is the art of putting > lyrics to a pre-existing improvised instrumental solo. Jon Hendricks, the > master of vocalese, wrote all the other lyrics. "Twisted" is part of this > trio of songs that also include "Jackie" and "Farmer's Market." All of > these songs are blues, though it's not usually apparent unless you're a > jazz musician - not down home blues, but bebop blues. Anyway...(are you > still with me?)...the tenor saxophonist that played these 3 songs that > Annie put lyrics to is the late Wardell Gray. His horn solo is what the > lyrics are "following" on "Twisted" - the "melody" is the "My analyst told > me.." and so on for 12 bars, 2 times and then its' a winding road - a horn > solo. All of LHR's music, for the most part, was in this style - the > vocalese art form. And finally, Annie Ross was one of Joni's idols or > influences. > > Annie is definitely one of my influences. "Twisted" is one of THE most > classic vocal jazz bebop songs in that genre. The other really famous one > that was done by a famous musician, George Benson, is "Moody's Mood For > Love" - he didn't write it - but he made it famous (outside the jazz > world.) I won't go into detail on that song but it's the same thing. > > Joni "covered" Twisted - and is, by the way, where I heard it first -- and > there was Bette Midler -- but, once I got into LHR, I was obsessed with > them. Annie still sings in NY once a week at the Metropolitan Room. I saw > her years ago. She, like Joni, was known for sky high vocals (Annie much > higher than Joni) but no longer hits those notes. She, however, is still > as soulful as Joni is in her later years (Annie must be in her 80's now.) > > And there you have it! > > Laurie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2014 08:01:16 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: covers Just one of many artists I've discovered through Joni and this group. Brian Blade is another great artist I would never have known about if not for Joni. His records are always solid. 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Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2014 15:09:43 +0100 From: Vincenzo Mancini Subject: covers Maybe it's neither a blanket refusal nor ostracism nor stigma..., maybe it's simply that her "method acting" comes to be "number one" ;-), or in other (JM) words, it's that her versions [after all, it's her music ;-)] is the "awk*" to us, people deeply touched by it, according to millions of different nuances... That does not prevent us from appreciating one cover or the other, frequently or not, and yet, it's not her! And as an indirect sign of her stellar "method acting", I think that her "Summertime" or "The Man I Love" could easily rank among almost any of ours TOP FIVE covers [can I launch another thread? ;-)], not to mention her "Twisted"... Vincenzo * (not really sure of the orthography...) she mentioned it, if I recall it correctly, during the DED promotional tour, telling a story about penguins, able to recognize one another because of their own peculiar "awk" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2014 13:03:22 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #945 NJC or not, it was a pretty dang awesome post. Thanks for sharing the knowledge, David. Bob NP: Little Feat, "Rock and Roll Everynight" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2014 10:12:40 -0700 From: Laurie Antonioli Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #945 Yes. What David said. But wait....Dorothy Fields is your mother??? Really? My goodness. I didn't know that. Wow and wow. Laurie On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 9:49 AM, David Lahm wrote: > I leave it to others to decide if this is njc or not. Myself, I don't find > JM's "Twisted" particularly rewarding, contrasted to those of real jazz > singers. > > But my real purpose is to give some details about "Moody's Mood for Love." > Some time around 1950 (give or take a couple of years) James Moody, a > saxophonist who had recorded with Dizzy Gillespie in the 40s, recorded the > instrumental of that title. It was a jazz take on the standard "I'm in the > mood for love," written about 10 years before by composer Jimmy McHugh and > lyricist Dorothy Fields (1904-1974). She was my mother. > > Moody's version made almost no reference to McHugh's melody, thus the > change of title was justified. There were many contrefacts (new melodies on > established chord sequences) written during the bebop period: "Groovin' > High" (Gillespie) is a contrefact of "Whispering;" "Bird of Paradise" > (Parker") is a contrefact of "All the things you are;" "Four in One" (Monk) > is a contrefact of "Just you, just me." > > Give Jon Hendricks his due, but for me, a greater writer of vocalese was > the late Eddie Jefferson (d. 1979). I think his finest effort was the lyric > he set to Coleman Hawkins' famous 1939 "Body and Soul;" some of you may > have heard Manhattan Transfer's version. Like Joni Mitchell, Eddie was the > best performer of his own works. He wrote the lyric to "Moody's Mood for > Love" and the vocal was first recorded by King Pleasure in about 1952. That > version is possibly what has inspired other jazz singers though the years. > > DAVID LAHM > > > On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 10:19 AM, Laurie Antonioli < > laurieantonioli@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Well...since some of us are jazz geeks here, here is the whole background >> on "Twisted." Annie Ross, of Lambert, Hendricks & Ross essentially only >> wrote 3 vocalese lyrics while with LHR. Vocalese is the art of putting >> lyrics to a pre-existing improvised instrumental solo. Jon Hendricks, >> the >> master of vocalese, wrote all the other lyrics. "Twisted" is part of this >> trio of songs that also include "Jackie" and "Farmer's Market." All of >> these songs are blues, though it's not usually apparent unless you're a >> jazz musician - not down home blues, but bebop blues. Anyway...(are you >> still with me?)...the tenor saxophonist that played these 3 songs that >> Annie put lyrics to is the late Wardell Gray. His horn solo is what the >> lyrics are "following" on "Twisted" - the "melody" is the "My analyst told >> me.." and so on for 12 bars, 2 times and then its' a winding road - a horn >> solo. All of LHR's music, for the most part, was in this style - the >> vocalese art form. And finally, Annie Ross was one of Joni's idols or >> influences. >> >> Annie is definitely one of my influences. "Twisted" is one of THE most >> classic vocal jazz bebop songs in that genre. The other really famous one >> that was done by a famous musician, George Benson, is "Moody's Mood For >> Love" - he didn't write it - but he made it famous (outside the jazz >> world.) I won't go into detail on that song but it's the same thing. >> >> Joni "covered" Twisted - and is, by the way, where I heard it first -- and >> there was Bette Midler -- but, once I got into LHR, I was obsessed with >> them. Annie still sings in NY once a week at the Metropolitan Room. I >> saw >> her years ago. She, like Joni, was known for sky high vocals (Annie much >> higher than Joni) but no longer hits those notes. She, however, is still >> as soulful as Joni is in her later years (Annie must be in her 80's now.) >> >> And there you have it! >> >> Laurie >> >> >> On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 12:00 AM, JMDL Digest > > >> wrote: >> >> > >> > JMDL Digest Tuesday, July 22 2014 Volume 2014 : Number >> > 945 >> > >> > >> > >> > ========== >> > >> > TOPICS and authors in this Digest: >> > -------- >> > Re: covers [Betsy Blue < >> > betsyblue82@gmail.com>] >> > >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > >> > Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2014 21:53:45 -0700 >> > From: Betsy Blue >> > Subject: Re: covers >> > >> > Bob reminded us that: >> > Twisted is not a Joni song. I'd bet a lot of non-jazz aficianados are >> not >> > familiar with the LHR version. >> > >> > Joni's Twisted is a great interpretation. (Better than Better Midler, >> who >> > basically re-did the song.) It was certainly my introduction to >> Lambert, >> > Hendricks, and Ross. Even if jazz is not your thing, I would urge you to >> > check out their stuff. It is mind blowing. >> > >> > Betsy, musical slut >> > >> > ------------------------------ >> > >> > End of JMDL Digest V2014 #945 >> > ***************************** >> > >> > ------- >> > To post messages to the list,sendtojoni@smoe.org. >> > Unsubscribe by clicking here: >> > mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe >> > ------- ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #245 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here:mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe