From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #242 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Website:http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe:mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Sunday, July 20 2014 Volume 2014 : Number 242 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Blue [Anita Gabrielle ] Re: New Library item: Where are they now? [Catherine McKay ] Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #939 [David Gizara ] Re: Blue ["Mark" ] Blue [Ingrid Lochrenberg ] Re: Joni lyrics in the most peculiar places [Lori Renee Fye Subject: Re: Blue Ingrid wrote: > Okay. Know that I don't want to put jmdl'ers on the spot with my > interpretations, and that just expressing then is transformative for me.But I > should try to express it with music I think. That would be better. As I said to you, Ingrid, off list, I know that people will respond to some things we post and not to others and it is up to each of us to accept that. I know I have sometimes struggled with understanding quite where you come at Joni related things from because I can see that her music and who you imagine Joni is is so deeply, deeply profound for you, and, quite honestly, can feel very intense. But I know that you know that, so that has helped me! I think your email explains to Listers that expressing your thoughts and feelings about Joni and her music are helpful to you - which must be a good thing. But you may feel vulnerable if you send something that feels immensely important that gets overlooked, but I hope you will manage that okay. Trust me, we all get that from time to time and we may all all feel vulnerable or angry here at times. I know I do. As for being less intense myself, you mention in your email you "should try to express " yourself through music. Do you play any instruments or hum any tunes or plan to learn? I have started playing guitar again after being inspired by Dave, Robin, Steve and all the wonderful Listers I was blessed to hang out with one glorious Monday in California! Music certainly is a great and healing thing to do. Best wishes on a beautiful Sunday Anita ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 12:17:55 -0700 From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: New Library item: Where are they now? Interesting, because we've known all along where Joni is. ________________________________ From: "TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com" To: joni@smoe.org Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2014 1:27:08 PM Subject: New Library item: Where are they now? Title: Where are they now? Publication: Globe Date: 2014.07.14 http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2806 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 05:41:14 -0700 From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Joni lyrics in the most peculiar places Is it possible reference to Jack Nicholson /Grace Slick?> That's always been the conventional wisdom. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 14:45:30 +0000 (UTC) From: gpkm6208@comcast.net Subject: Re: Joni lyrics in the most peculiar places thanks bob - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Muller" To: gpkm6208@comcast.net, "Dave Blackburn" Cc: "Lori Renee Fye" , "Catherine McKay" , "JMDL JMDL" , "Anita G" Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2014 8:41:14 AM Subject: Re: Joni lyrics in the most peculiar places Is it possible reference to Jack Nicholson /Grace Slick?> That's always been the conventional wisdom. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 10:35:39 +0100 From: Anita Gabrielle Subject: Re: Joni lyrics in the most peculiar places Not sure who specifically Joni refers to in PP, but they sure has hell would have known which foundation and blusher to use, Anita > On 20 Jul 2014, at 06:00, gpkm6208@comcast.net wrote: > > Question listers:B Does anyone know who Joni might be referring to in the > lyrics to peoples parties?B Jack behind his joker and stone cold Grace behind > her fan???B Is it possible reference to Jack Nicholson /Grace Slick?B Just > curious > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Dave Blackburn" > To: "Anita G" > Cc: "Lori Renee Fye" , "Catherine McKay" > , "JMDL JMDL" > Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2014 12:27:31 AM > Subject: Re: Joni lyrics in the most peculiar places > > Anita, you must try to let go of the trivial stuff and concentrate on whats > important: The colour of your lips. > > >> On Jul 19, 2014, at 3:55 PM, Anita G wrote: >> >> Quote from the comments: >> >> "There are few things more frustrating than finally finding the right >> colour lipstick, blush, powder, whatever to go with one's skin tones, only >> to have that product promptly discontinued." >> >> And there am I, worrying about the Gaza strip and Ukraine................... >> >> >> On 19 July 2014 23:00, Lori Renee Fye wrote: >> >>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i28UEoLXVFQ >>>> >>>> Never heard of it! Ha ha ha! >>> >>> Neither had I, but I was never much of a fan of that band or any of that >>> music. B Thanks for solving the mystery though, Catherine! >>> >>> Lori ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 11:01:53 -0600 (MDT) From: TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com Subject: New Library item: 10 THINGS you didn't know about...JONI MITCHELL Title: 10 THINGS you didn't know about...JONI MITCHELL Publication: Globe Date: 2014.07.07 http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2805 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2014 07:47:42 -0700 From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Covering Joni's songs I'm also looking forward to the Nyro tribute. I heard the one you posted on Facebook and I loved it. I used to feel that way about covers too, particularly with respect to Joni, but I changed my mind ages ago when I heard some really good ones. ________________________________ From: Richard Flynn To: 'Garret' ; 'Dave Blackburn' Cc: fabiococchi@ymail.com; 'JMDL' Sent: Friday, July 18, 2014 5:46:58 PM Subject: RE: Covering Joni's songs I just came across the announcement of this Laura Nyro Tribute: http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2014/07/15/alison-krauss-joins-billy-childs-o n-laura-nyros-and-when-i-die-exclusive/ through the Laura Nyro Facebook group and a ton of people there were saying they couldn't listen to anyone by Laura Nyro herself. The sample of jazz composer and pianist Billy Childs featuring Alison Krauss and Jerry Douglas is stunning. The CD is produced by Larry Klein. (slight Joni connection) I just don't understand a blanket refusal to listen to covers. I sure will buy this when it comes out in September. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2014 12:45:04 -0700 From: David Gizara Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #939 Laurie was kind enough to let me preview a cut from this superlative CD of Mitchell compositions on my annual summer solstice Joni Mitchell Covers Show @ www.klcc..org I agree with Dave that the balance between reconstruction and improvisation is practically perfect. This is one of the better Mitchell projects and I highly recommend it. David Gizara Thursday Night Jazz on facebook. Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 06:29:59 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Songs of Shadows, Songs of Light Robin and I have been listening to Laurie Antoniolis new CD that arrived this week. In every respect it is a superb album and goes to prove how enduring and malleable Jonis compositions are. Laurie herself has dwelled in them all her life, as have many of us, and so the connection to the music is deep. Her band, which includes my old bassist colleague John Shifflett, is absolutely first class and the recording, made at Fantasy in Berkley, is superlative in itself. Great arrangers find inherent themes and melodic lines in a song, which are not necessarily the songs main melody, and weave new fabric from them. Lauries band members do just this, and so it is not the typical jazz format of stating the melody and then sharply veering off into jazz solo land; the improvising is not over extended and its integration with the compositions is excellent, a difficult balance to achieve. Congratulations to Laurie and her band (wassup John?) on a great record. I encourage listers to order a copy. cheers Dave ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 10:58:27 -0700 From: "Mark" Subject: Re: Blue Hi Ingrid, Thank you for posting this very honest and revealing message. It was a very brave thing for you to do. It helps me to see where you are coming from when you share your feelings about Joni and her music here on the JMDL. Joni's music touches chords of deep feelings that resonate in me as well. I sometimes express my thoughts and describe how her words lead my mind to places that no-one else can trace the paths to but me. Her music is intellectual. It is also full of intense emotions that we absorb and filter through the prisms of our own experience, finding our own truths in Joni's words. I cannot imagine how that intensity affects you. I hope the JMDL feels like a safe place for you to express your interpretations, especially if they are transformative for you. I would advise you not to get too discouraged if no one responds. Frequently after I have written something and sent it to the JMDL, there is no response. I have been told time and again that it doesn't mean people on the list don't read what I write. I wish you well, Ingrid. I read your messages and if writing them is in some way helpful to you, I hope you will continue to send them. Mark Scott in Seattle - -----Original Message----- From: Ingrid Lochrenberg Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2014 5:07 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Blue Dear jmdl'ers. I do not wish to make you feel uncomfortable and uneasy with my communications. I felt intensely in-touch with my mortality the other day and I thought that I would just expose myself as wanting Joni to know that her love and longings were fully approved of by me, should I come to grief. Well I did say it. I know that other jmdl'ers would bestow the same acceptance and love and wholehearted approval I did of Joni. I just sometimes feel that "no-one dares disturb the sound of silence " like Joni did. I couldn't love Joni more than what I do. It's not admiration,rather , it is longing. With my way-out imagination and my need to express myself I am caught between the devil and the deep -blue sea,given my propensity for psychosis. However with the benefit of my communications(off the list) with Anita Gabrielle I see that I can express myself without feeling either too vulnerable or too guilty. I think that many here might feel the same intensity of appreciation of Joni and what she is perceived to have been communicating. For the record, I once said that Joni writes intellectual music...i'd like to restate that as; Joni cannot HELP it that her intellect itself distinguishes her asa musician,but that the music component if her writing also distinguishes her from others. There is uniqueness to all great artists for sure. But listening as I have been to a wide collection if music interspersed with hers has clarified for me how the music sweeps me away before I register in my near-sleep state,who I am listening to. So her music has for me the emotional and esthetic component to match the extreme quality of intelligence. One last thing is that when asked about ten years back if she saw the course of things on this planet changing she replied that the situation was hopeless, and that she nevertheless had hope:....saying amid her own laughter that you have to be irrational to believe in miracles... So, I think that Joni will yet be crowned and anchored. That is my understanding if her:that she is half of the equation if the miracle that she has experienced and hopes to see unfold. Okay. Know that I don't want to put jmdl'ers on the spot with my interpretations, and that just expressing then is transformative for me.But I should try to express it with music I think. That would be better. Okay,thanks for tuning in to this particular writing. Ingrid Sent from my Windows Phonese ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 02:07:03 +0200 From: Ingrid Lochrenberg Subject: Blue Dear jmdl'ers. I do not wish to make you feel uncomfortable and uneasy with my communications. I felt intensely in-touch with my mortality the other day and I thought that I would just expose myself as wanting Joni to know that her love and longings were fully approved of by me, should I come to grief. Well I did say it. I know that other jmdl'ers would bestow the same acceptance and love and wholehearted approval I did of Joni. I just sometimes feel that "no-one dares disturb the sound of silence " like Joni did. I couldn't love Joni more than what I do. It's not admiration,rather , it is longing. With my way-out imagination and my need to express myself I am caught between the devil and the deep -blue sea,given my propensity for psychosis. However with the benefit of my communications(off the list) with Anita Gabrielle I see that I can express myself without feeling either too vulnerable or too guilty. I think that many here might feel the same intensity of appreciation of Joni and what she is perceived to have been communicating. For the record, I once said that Joni writes intellectual music...i'd like to restate that as; Joni cannot HELP it that her intellect itself distinguishes her asa musician,but that the music component if her writing also distinguishes her from others. There is uniqueness to all great artists for sure. But listening as I have been to a wide collection if music interspersed with hers has clarified for me how the music sweeps me away before I register in my near-sleep state,who I am listening to. So her music has for me the emotional and esthetic component to match the extreme quality of intelligence. One last thing is that when asked about ten years back if she saw the course of things on this planet changing she replied that the situation was hopeless, and that she nevertheless had hope:....saying amid her own laughter that you have to be irrational to believe in miracles... So, I think that Joni will yet be crowned and anchored. That is my understanding if her:that she is half of the equation if the miracle that she has experienced and hopes to see unfold. Okay. Know that I don't want to put jmdl'ers on the spot with my interpretations, and that just expressing then is transformative for me.But I should try to express it with music I think. That would be better. Okay,thanks for tuning in to this particular writing. Ingrid Sent from my Windows Phonese ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2014 15:49:16 -0600 From: Lori Renee Fye Subject: Re: Joni lyrics in the most peculiar places > So, by the wikipedia definition of "power ballad," the writer even got that wrong. "BYT" doesn't fit that description at all. Maybe Nazareth also did a cover of "BYT" but Lauren Sherman is the only one who's ever heard it. ;-) Lori ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 11:02:32 -0700 From: "Mark" Subject: Re: Joni lyrics in the most peculiar places 'If you had that house car bottle jar Your lovers would look like movie stars Movie stars movie stars movie stars' Mark in Seattle - -----Original Message----- From: Dave Blackburn Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2014 9:27 PM To: Anita G Cc: Lori Renee Fye ; Catherine McKay ; JMDL JMDL Subject: Re: Joni lyrics in the most peculiar places Anita, you must try to let go of the trivial stuff and concentrate on whats important: The colour of your lips. On Jul 19, 2014, at 3:55 PM, Anita G wrote: > Quote from the comments: > > "There are few things more frustrating than finally finding the right > colour lipstick, blush, powder, whatever to go with one's skin tones, only > to have that product promptly discontinued." > > And there am I, worrying about the Gaza strip and > Ukraine................... > > > On 19 July 2014 23:00, Lori Renee Fye wrote: > >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i28UEoLXVFQ >>> >>> Never heard of it! Ha ha ha! >> >> Neither had I, but I was never much of a fan of that band or any of that >> music. Thanks for solving the mystery though, Catherine! >> >> Lori ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 22:52:51 -0500 From: Laura Stanley Subject: New Library item: 10 THINGS you didn't know about...JONI MITCHELL Who is "you" because probably most of us here knew? Still, it is a good review. Joni trivia pursuit. Title: 10 THINGS you didn't know about...JONI MITCHELL Publication: Globe Date: 2014.07.07 http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2805 Sent from my iPhone ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #242 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here:mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe