From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #214 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Website:http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe:mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, June 25 2014 Volume 2014 : Number 214 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Meetings with Joni [Lindsay Moon ] Re: Norman Seefe photo [Dave Blackburn ] Re: The Later/Better side of Joni ["Mark" ] re: Norman Seefe photo [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: The Later/Better side of Joni ["Mark" ] RE: Later/Better side of Joni [Laura Stanley ] Re: shades of scarlet conquering ["johnnybgoode@lineone.net" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2014 16:21:41 -0700 From: Lindsay Moon Subject: Meetings with Joni Has anyone heard of this account by Jacques Benoit, a French artist, who met Joni and spoke with her at length about art he had given her showing his interpretations of songs, or album covers, or snippets from interviews? And when he explains to her that his interpretation of "a priest with a pornographic watch, looking and longing on the sly" was an actual physical watch with little naked women on the watch face, she laughed, and explained she meant "watch" as in someone watching and looking. Funny, I'd always thought was Benoit thought It's a long story and I didn't have time to read it all. But it's a gem. LIndsay http://www.jacquesbenoit.com/Joni_page_texte_UK.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 08:23:02 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: Norman Seefe photo This was presumably her coke period, as is plain to see. On Jun 23, 2014, at 7:54 AM, c Karma wrote: > Wow. Actually while I appreciate the craft of that photo and styling, I don't > think Joni looks healthy at all. She is rail thin, like a wire coat hanger. > There was a period in the mid 70s where she had some health issues, perhaps > 1976 prior to the release of "Hejira" yet after the road trip was that period? > I'd believe it seeing this. The sable cape hid it well. > CC ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 10:49:46 -0700 From: "Mark" Subject: Re: The Later/Better side of Joni At the risk of violating list etiquette, I have to say this post is beautifully and eloquently stated. Thank you, John. Perhaps you are a minority of at least three? Mark in Seattle - -----Original Message----- From: johncalimee@frontier.com Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2014 8:36 PM To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: The Later/Better side of Joni A minority of at least two perhaps. I came in with Blue/Court and Spark. And most definitely I find her later work far more listenable and rewarding to my ears. As brilliant as Blue is, Ive listened to Chalk Mark 50 times more often than I've listened to Blue. Dancing Clown 100 times more often than River, as there are days I pull out Chalk Mark JUST to take in DC. There is no part of her journey I have not delighted in. And the later part of her journey is as rich and rewarding as the middle or beginning. At least to my ears. When the chapter is closed on my book, I will have listened to her voice, more than any other single human voice in the entirety of my life. Somewhere I lost track of 'albums' or records or CDs and it just became Joni, the voice in my life. Be it Joni in recording. Joni 'live.' Joni in conversation. -It's not like I pick up product and listen to it. And as an artist I most appreciate the journey of that voice and her music. Chalk Mark was described recently on the list as choral music. In some ways I like to think of it as some of her collage pieces. As she's said, she likes to take snippets of this take, snippets of that take and shape them together. It has the illusion of free form, but its not. It's an aural painting. Getting back to the praises of Dancing Clown..... On the one hand there's the serious, somber Joni. The one she lamented that came with the fame of Blue. She takes up the subject of love and lays some serious shit about what she sees in one person's obsession with another person. Which is legit. Like watching a scene from life and there's Jose Feliciano (sp?) having some serious dynamic going on with a woman. But it is just as likely one walks out into night life on the trendy side of town, taking in some random actors playing out an almost laughable game of cat and mouse -between some hottie who knows they are hot, being followed and swooned over by a string of 'damaged' hopefuls. In a certain light it is more comical than it is fodder for writing the next Hejira. -And that's what she did. Kept it light. If I want serious, I can listen to Blue. If I want happy, I can listen to Wild Things. If I'm thinking, "sometimes, Life, you just have to laugh at it, it can be so silly" -I pull out Dancing Clown. I can see Jesse, thinking with his little head, ( -and his large head not much brighter) going, "OooooohhhH Yeaaaaaahhhhhhhh." to some babe he wishes -or thinks- he has the charm to win over. It makes me laugh. And I delight in the word play of 'swoosh of jungle blades and the crackle of northern ice". It. is. fun. Because she did such a good job of painting a Starry Night does not mean I want her to paint it again for the next 30 years. Much as I am touched by Blue. If she'd never written Blue, I might long for something more from her cannon. But she did. Her cannon is so complete, so fascinating to me that all the eras have space to just be what they are. And if by luck or grace 'This Rain' becomes part of a new body of work, I will look at as a most familiar and beloved friend coming to my door for a visit. Living in the now. As much as delighting in the past. It's more fun that way. But then, I'm 'in the minority.' -And loving the hell out of it. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 11:24:01 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: re: Norman Seefe photo Most likely a reflection of the cocaine she was doing at the time, yes? Bob From: c Karma To: "joni@smoe.org" , Date: 06/23/2014 11:04 AM Subject: re: Norman Seefe photo Sent by: owner-joni@smoe.org Wow. Actually while I appreciate the craft of that photo and styling, I don't think Joni looks healthy at all. She is rail thin, like a wire coat hanger. There was a period in the mid 70s where she had some health issues, perhaps 1976 prior to the release of "Hejira" yet after the road trip was that period? I'd believe it seeing this. The sable cape hid it well. 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Mark in Seattle - -----Original Message----- From: johncalimee@frontier.com Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2014 8:36 PM To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: The Later/Better side of Joni A minority of at least two perhaps. I came in with Blue/Court and Spark. And most definitely I find her later work far more listenable and rewarding to my ears. As brilliant as Blue is, Ive listened to Chalk Mark 50 times more often than I've listened to Blue. Dancing Clown 100 times more often than River, as there are days I pull out Chalk Mark JUST to take in DC. There is no part of her journey I have not delighted in. And the later part of her journey is as rich and rewarding as the middle or beginning. At least to my ears. When the chapter is closed on my book, I will have listened to her voice, more than any other single human voice in the entirety of my life. Somewhere I lost track of 'albums' or records or CDs and it just became Joni, the voice in my life. Be it Joni in recording. Joni 'live.' Joni in conversation. -It's not like I pick up product and listen to it. And as an artist I most appreciate the journey of that voice and her music. Chalk Mark was described recently on the list as choral music. In some ways I like to think of it as some of her collage pieces. As she's said, she likes to take snippets of this take, snippets of that take and shape them together. It has the illusion of free form, but its not. It's an aural painting. Getting back to the praises of Dancing Clown..... On the one hand there's the serious, somber Joni. The one she lamented that came with the fame of Blue. She takes up the subject of love and lays some serious shit about what she sees in one person's obsession with another person. Which is legit. Like watching a scene from life and there's Jose Feliciano (sp?) having some serious dynamic going on with a woman. But it is just as likely one walks out into night life on the trendy side of town, taking in some random actors playing out an almost laughable game of cat and mouse -between some hottie who knows they are hot, being followed and swooned over by a string of 'damaged' hopefuls. In a certain light it is more comical than it is fodder for writing the next Hejira. -And that's what she did. Kept it light. If I want serious, I can listen to Blue. If I want happy, I can listen to Wild Things. If I'm thinking, "sometimes, Life, you just have to laugh at it, it can be so silly" -I pull out Dancing Clown. I can see Jesse, thinking with his little head, ( -and his large head not much brighter) going, "OooooohhhH Yeaaaaaahhhhhhhh." to some babe he wishes -or thinks- he has the charm to win over. It makes me laugh. And I delight in the word play of 'swoosh of jungle blades and the crackle of northern ice". It. is. fun. Because she did such a good job of painting a Starry Night does not mean I want her to paint it again for the next 30 years. Much as I am touched by Blue. If she'd never written Blue, I might long for something more from her cannon. But she did. Her cannon is so complete, so fascinating to me that all the eras have space to just be what they are. And if by luck or grace 'This Rain' becomes part of a new body of work, I will look at as a most familiar and beloved friend coming to my door for a visit. Living in the now. As much as delighting in the past. It's more fun that way. But then, I'm 'in the minority.' -And loving the hell out of it. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 12:48:24 -0500 From: Laura Stanley Subject: RE: Later/Better side of Joni > John, > > Thank you for this beautiful post! > > Lovely day, > Laura > > Subject: The Later/Better side of Joni > > A minority of at least two perhaps. > > I came in with Blue/Court and Spark. And > most definitely I find her later work far more listenable and rewarding to my > ears. As brilliant as Blue is, Ive listened to Chalk Mark 50 times more often > than I've listened to Blue. Dancing Clown 100 times more often than River, as > there are days I pull out Chalk Mark JUST to take in DC. > There is no part of > her journey I have not delighted in. And the later part of her journey is as > rich and rewarding as the middle or beginning. At least to my ears. When the > chapter is closed on my book, I will have listened to her voice, more than any > other single human voice in the entirety of my life. Somewhere I lost track of > 'albums' or records or CDs and it just became Joni, the voice in my life. Be > it Joni in recording. Joni 'live.' Joni in conversation. -It's not like I pick > up product and listen to it. > > And as an artist I most appreciate the journey > of that voice and her music. > Chalk Mark was described recently on the list as > choral music. In some ways I like to think of it as some of her collage > pieces. As she's said, she likes to take snippets of this take, snippets of > that take and shape them together. It has the illusion of free form, but its > not. It's an aural painting. > > Getting back to the praises of Dancing > Clown..... > > On the one hand there's the serious, somber Joni. The one she > lamented that came with the fame of Blue. She takes up the subject of love and > lays some serious shit about what she sees in one person's obsession with > another person. Which is legit. Like watching a scene from life and there's > Jose Feliciano (sp?) having some serious dynamic going on with a woman. > > But > it is just as likely one walks out into night life on the trendy side of town, > taking in some random actors playing out an almost laughable game of cat and > mouse -between some hottie who knows they are hot, being followed and swooned > over by a string of 'damaged' hopefuls. In a certain light it is more comical > than it is fodder for writing the next Hejira. -And that's what she did. Kept > it light. > > If I want serious, I can listen to Blue. > If I want happy, I can > listen to Wild Things. > If I'm thinking, "sometimes, Life, you just have to > laugh at it, it can be so silly" -I pull out Dancing Clown. > > I can see Jesse, > thinking with his little head, ( -and his large head not much brighter) going, > "OooooohhhH Yeaaaaaahhhhhhhh." to some babe he wishes -or thinks- he has the > charm to win over. > > It makes me laugh. And I delight in the word play of > 'swoosh of jungle blades and the crackle of northern ice". It. is. fun. > Because she did such a good job of painting a Starry Night does not mean I > want her to paint it again for the next 30 years. Much as I am touched by > Blue. > > If she'd never written Blue, I might long for something more from her > cannon. But she did. Her cannon is so complete, so fascinating to me that all > the eras have space to just be what they are. And if by luck or grace 'This > Rain' becomes part of a new body of work, I will look at as a most familiar > and beloved friend coming to my door for a visit. > > Living in the now. > > As much > as delighting in the past. > > It's more fun that way. > > But then, I'm 'in the > minority.' -And loving the hell out of it > Sent from my iPhone ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 19:21:06 +0100 (BST) From: "johnnybgoode@lineone.net" Subject: Re: shades of scarlet conquering Ingrid, On one level it's about women behaving in a similar way to Scarlet O'Hara, and getting away with it. I heard it was inspired by Ronee Blakley from the Rolling Thunder Tour, but I've no idea why? Scarlet manipulated every man with disastrous results for them, including Rhett, although he was wise to her in the end. This and Edith are my favourites from HOSL. >----Original Message---- >From: low-tide@outlook.com >Date: 21/06/2014 19:51 >To: "joni@smoe.org" >Subj: shades of scarlet conquering > >To be safer, I wonder if this song (shades of scarlet...) counts as one of her >'fictional' songs......she is painting a fairly precise character here. Then >she talks of 'her impossibly gentle hands' , as though a fact. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2014 21:26:32 +0100 From: Anita Gabrielle Subject: Re: jmdl and joni So, IF someone can get hold of > her, why don't we consider this as a possibility? Probably because we know she won't be interested, though I do love your enthusiasm, dear Ingrid, Anita ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #214 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here:mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe