From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #213 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Website:http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe:mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Tuesday, June 24 2014 Volume 2014 : Number 213 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- re: Norman Seefe photo [c Karma ] Re: jmdl and joni [Bob Muller ] Late Joan ["johncalimee@frontier.com" ] Re: Norman Seefe photo ["Mark" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 14:54:47 +0000 From: c Karma Subject: re: Norman Seefe photo Wow. Actually while I appreciate the craft of that photo and styling, I don't think Joni looks healthy at all. She is rail thin, like a wire coat hanger. There was a period in the mid 70s where she had some health issues, perhaps 1976 prior to the release of "Hejira" yet after the road trip was that period? I'd believe it seeing this. The sable cape hid it well. CC ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 05:18:42 -0700 From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: jmdl and joni Thanks for the shout out, Ingrid - there have of course been MANY gatherings of the tribe, starting with Julie Z's house many years ago with vrious stops in Europe and the USA along the way. While Joni appreciates us, I'm sure she would not want to attend. Historically, the better approach has been for JMDLer's to attend functions that Joni has arranged. Then again, one never knows, Joni can be unpredictable. I'm still tossing around the idea of having a Jonifest here in Greenville - not going to work out for this year but maybe 2015. Would love to show off my little town and the talent therein. Bob ________________________________ From: Ingrid Lochrenberg To: "joni@smoe.org" Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2014 4:09 PM Subject: jmdl and joni I was wondering about jmdl trying to persuade Joni to come to a gathering organized by Bob ( a suggestion, since you seem the most dedicated jmdl'er) . Or do you think we would count as the fans that she is thoroughly bored with? Why can't we organize a get -together months ahead (since some of us would need to travel from afar, and everyone has to plan and get organized), with the assurance of Joni that she will attend. Then of course it might be impossible to get hold of her....no wonder it is the destiny of these stars get lonely if they end up having to take recourse to complete isolation from the public in order to have manageable lives. So, IF someone can get hold of her, why don't we consider this as a possibility? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 23:17:42 -0700 From: "johncalimee@frontier.com" Subject: Late Joan Hi again, I think there's a strong connection between the visual art Joni was creating during the period before Chalk Mark and the music that resulted from the same period. A lot of the images are very abstracted and layered in a collage like manner. These new photo images bear the influence of Larry Klein. She's not shooting alone but shooting a lot of imagery with him and then creating new forms by layering his photography into hers. The same could be said for most of the music during their time together. Chalk Mark is just that, carrying the collage from the its functional dimension in studio arrangement (stacking guitar strums to give body to the sound as an example) to becoming the whole force of the arrangements to begin with. It begins with the collage of My Secret Place and ends with the collage (brilliant as anything in her body of work) Corrina. If one were to make a YouTube video of CM songs with her mid 80's artwork, it would be clear how seamless the two are. As a painter who loves nearly every era of painting (save the Baroque and the frilly, French Aristocracy nonsense), it is easy on my eyes and ears to take in collage work. How wonderful is it? That's a matter of personal taste. I for one thrill to both the opening track of CM and the closing track of CM. Even my not very Joni loving partner sets aside his doubts about her music when he hears the fluttering aria Joni pieced together from Wayne Shorter's takes. I imagine things get dodgy for most folks in the middle. Just how interesting a piece of writing Lakota is can be seen from the live take she did in Italy. It's a very rich and haunting song, almost a lament. Perhaps the studio version would have fared better taken down a notch in tempo and with a wider, lower register. As it stands it like a song zipping along on Red Bull instead of Red Bull. If you catch my drift. Still, I enjoy it so much for the complex rhythms in the piece. I imagine the drum tracks are a mix of takes spliced together. But they are place together so perfectly it sounds like a single take. And the complexity of it. I try tapping to the beat and I can't keep up. It is always alive and fresh when I listen to the song. But getting back to the original subject that drew me in.... Imagine how Passion Play would be more likely revered if it were released during the era of FTR??? God Must be a Boogie Man if it replaced Centerpiece on Hissing? If we got 'Stay in Touch' on Blue instead of Little Green? Can you imagine the weeping, tears and reverence Stay in Touch would have received following River, Blue, The Last Night? She stoked so much innovation in those early years, the later stuff can seem stagnant by comparison. The logical progression of the thing demands that one part be the way it is, and the other part logically grows out of it. so the music couldn't be in any order other than what it is. But place some of the later efforts against the former, I think they hold up. It's only my opinion. But I'm absolutely certain Joni shares it. She may not have written releases that move people here the way the middle period greats moved people. But the individual pieces shine brightly in my eyes. Thinking forward, I'd like to see her stoke even more ground. If the voice is gone, why not speak it? I for one would love to see something Aaron Copland-esque come out of her. Where the music takes that flat land feel of hers and really tests it's mettle. She could weave pockets of poetry into it, spoken word and song. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 17:58:19 -0700 From: "Mark" Subject: Re: Norman Seefe photo Well Joni has said that when asked how she wanted to be paid when she joined up with Rolling Thunder for awhile, she said she wanted to be paid in cocaine. Apparently most everybody was doing it in that troupe. Chogyam Trungpa , the 'friend of spirit' who 'drank and womanized' had something to do with snapping her out of her dependence. I think of her 'Hejira' as her withdrawal time. She was probably still showing some of the physical effects when the photo was taken. Although she has said that 'Song for Sharon' was written while she was using. Mark in Seattle - -----Original Message----- From: Dave Blackburn Sent: Monday, June 23, 2014 8:23 AM To: Chris Coccaro Cc: JMDL JMDL Subject: Re: Norman Seefe photo This was presumably her coke period, as is plain to see. On Jun 23, 2014, at 7:54 AM, c Karma wrote: > Wow. Actually while I appreciate the craft of that photo and styling, I > don't > think Joni looks healthy at all. She is rail thin, like a wire coat > hanger. > There was a period in the mid 70s where she had some health issues, > perhaps > 1976 prior to the release of "Hejira" yet after the road trip was that > period? > I'd believe it seeing this. The sable cape hid it well. > CC ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #213 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here:mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe