From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #211 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Website:http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe:mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Sunday, June 22 2014 Volume 2014 : Number 211 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #210 [maggie_mcnally@yahoo.com] shades of scarlet conquering [Ingrid Lochrenberg ] Re: jmdl and joni [gpkm6208@comcast.net] Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #862 [John Strachan ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #210 [Paul Ivice ] Re: jmdl and joni ["Cassy" ] jmdl and joni [Ingrid Lochrenberg ] The Later/Better side of Joni ["johncalimee@frontier.com" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2014 18:34:00 -0400 From: maggie_mcnally@yahoo.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #210 Ah, Paz, that would be swell, but a fella can't be in two places at once yet, can he? Don't lose your shirt in Vegas...and we will see you when you and TB come through town. If anyone wants to plan to go to this Joni tribute with Alex and me, let me know and I'll make reservations. Maggie McNally NP: Jackson Browne & Graham Nash, The Crow on the Cradle (from the 1979 concert No Nukes) > On Jun 21, 2014, at 3:40 PM, owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) wrote: > > onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, June 21 2014 Volume 2014 : Number 210 > > > ========== > > > Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2014 07:56:07 -0500 > From: Michael Paz > Subject: Re: Boston Area JMDLer's...Joni tribute in July > > This looks like fun. I wish I could hang out with you Maggie and Alex, but I > will be in Vegas for a show on the 22nd. > > Love > > Paz > > > > > > > > On Jun 19, 2014, at 4:01 PM, bob.muller@fluor.com wrote: > > http://www.beathotel.com/events/2014/07/23/joni-mitchell-a-tribute/ > > In Cambridge, MA July 23rd > > Bob > > NP: David Gray, "Birds Of The High Arctic" > > ------------------------------ > > > End of onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #210 > ********************************* > > ------- > Post messages to the list by clicking here:mailto:joni@smoe.org > Unsubscribe by clicking here: > mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2014 21:51:33 +0200 From: Ingrid Lochrenberg Subject: shades of scarlet conquering To be safer, I wonder if this song (shades of scarlet...) counts as one of her 'fictional' songs......she is painting a fairly precise character here. Then she talks of 'her impossibly gentle hands' , as though a fact. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2014 22:22:03 +0000 (UTC) From: gpkm6208@comcast.net Subject: Re: jmdl and joni Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha. Sorry Ingrid!! - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ingrid Lochrenberg" To: joni@smoe.org Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2014 4:09:18 PM Subject: jmdl and joni I was wondering about jmdl trying to persuade Joni to come to a gathering organized by Bob ( a suggestion, since you seem the most dedicated jmdl'er) . Or do you think we would count as the fans that she is thoroughly bored with? Why can't we organize a get -together months ahead (since some of us would need to travel from afar, and everyone has to plan and get organized), with the assurance of Joni that she will attend. Then of course it might be impossible to get hold of her....no wonder it is the destiny of these stars get lonely if they end up having to take recourse to complete isolation from the public in order to have manageable lives. So, IF someone can get hold of her, why don't we consider this as a possibility? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2014 21:23:02 -0400 From: John Strachan Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #862 ash akgtyueqpwreope alhyuqiroroyqtoetwrtpqqyyopurqoiqyeriuqwqiwrorweyqotuuyiutweterqteuqreowqreqypouqewuryeioiqerrtpywureyteqiuetwreqteipituiqoppouyriouqwotuuwiuqyyyuqu Sent from my iPad On 2014-06-21, at 7:04 PM, owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) wrote: > > JMDL Digest Saturday, June 21 2014 Volume 2014 : Number 862 > > > > ========== > > TOPICS and authors in this Digest: > -------- > Re: Traveling in some vehicle...(njc) [] > Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #210 [maggie_mcnally@yahoo.com] > Re: Boston Area JMDLer's...Joni tribute in July [Michael Paz shades of scarlet conquering [Ingrid Lochrenberg ] > Re: Traveling in some vehicle...(njc) [Anita Gabrielle Re: Two Heads (njc) ["Mark" ] > Re: Norman Seeff photo [Anita Gabrielle ] > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2014 14:15:39 -0700 > From: > Subject: Re: Traveling in some vehicle...(njc) > > Vibes to to you and your family. I hope everything goes without a hitch and > you should enjoy Bend. Lots of skiing at Mt Bachelor, mountain biking, > hiking, and just plain slow living. Plus it's the home of the annual > Sisters Folk Festival https://www.sistersfolkfestival.org/ Safe and good > travels for you, gene > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2014 18:34:00 -0400 > From: maggie_mcnally@yahoo.com > Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #210 > > Ah, Paz, that would be swell, but a fella can't be in two places at once yet, can he? Don't lose your shirt in Vegas...and we will see you when you and TB come through town. > > If anyone wants to plan to go to this Joni tribute with Alex and me, let me know and I'll make reservations. > > Maggie McNally > NP: Jackson Browne & Graham Nash, The Crow on the Cradle (from the 1979 concert No Nukes) > >> On Jun 21, 2014, at 3:40 PM, owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) wrote: >> >> onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, June 21 2014 Volume 2014 : Number 210 > >> ========== >> >> >> Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2014 07:56:07 -0500 >> From: Michael Paz >> Subject: Re: Boston Area JMDLer's...Joni tribute in July >> >> This looks like fun. I wish I could hang out with you Maggie and Alex, but I >> will be in Vegas for a show on the 22nd. >> >> Love >> >> Paz >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Jun 19, 2014, at 4:01 PM, bob.muller@fluor.com wrote: >> >> http://www.beathotel.com/events/2014/07/23/joni-mitchell-a-tribute/ >> >> In Cambridge, MA July 23rd >> >> Bob >> >> NP: David Gray, "Birds Of The High Arctic" >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> >> End of onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #210 >> ********************************* >> >> ------- >> Post messages to the list by clicking here:mailto:joni@smoe.org >> Unsubscribe by clicking here: >> mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2014 07:56:07 -0500 > From: Michael Paz > Subject: Re: Boston Area JMDLer's...Joni tribute in July > > This looks like fun. I wish I could hang out with you Maggie and Alex, but I > will be in Vegas for a show on the 22nd. > > Love > > Paz > > > > > > > > On Jun 19, 2014, at 4:01 PM, bob.muller@fluor.com wrote: > > http://www.beathotel.com/events/2014/07/23/joni-mitchell-a-tribute/ > > In Cambridge, MA July 23rd > > Bob > > NP: David Gray, "Birds Of The High Arctic" > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2014 21:51:33 +0200 > From: Ingrid Lochrenberg > Subject: shades of scarlet conquering > > To be safer, I wonder if this song (shades of scarlet...) counts as one of her > 'fictional' songs......she is painting a fairly precise character here. Then > she talks of 'her impossibly gentle hands' , as though a fact. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2014 21:28:52 +0100 > From: Anita Gabrielle > Subject: Re: Traveling in some vehicle...(njc) > > Victor, all the very best. If it's a job you really like, I do wish you all the luck possible, > Anita > >> On 21 Jun 2014, at 21:10, Victor Johnson wrote: >> >> So, after 21 years in Atlanta (except for when I lived in Athens and >> Asheville for a couple of years) I'm flying to Bend, Oregon on Monday >> for a working interview to be a full-time preschool music teacher. >> Being put up in a hotel and everything so its looking very likely that >> we'll be moving to the northwest in a matter of weeks. Had a great >> Skype interview this past week so if this goes well (which it should) >> then we'll be traveling in some vehicle and sitting in a few cafes. >> Will be awesome to be closer to Cassie and maybe I'll finally get to >> meet Mark in Seattle! And of course, being near California and Canada >> totally rocks! So please send out all the good vibes you can and we'll >> see what happens... >> >> Victor in Atlanta for a little bit longer >> >> NP: Ray Lamontagne - Within You > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2014 01:00:12 -0700 > From: "Mark" > Subject: Re: Two Heads (njc) > > Sung and written as only Grace could. Thanks Kakki! :-) > > One, two heads on your body > And you've got two mirrors in your hand..... > > Mark in Seattle > - -----Original Message----- > From: kbhla@fastmail.fm > Sent: Friday, June 20, 2014 9:04 PM > To: joni@smoe.org > Subject: Two Heads (njc) > > Hahaha! The first thing that came to my mind was the old psychedelic > chestnut "Two Heads" from Jefferson Airplane. I still have the 45. > Flip side is "Ballad of You and Me and Poohneil." ;-) > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKseVD0Kxw0 > > Kakki > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2014 22:21:28 +0100 > From: Anita Gabrielle > Subject: Re: Norman Seeff photo > > Looking in need of a decent meal to my eyes. I never noticed at the time. > Anita > >> On 19 Jun 2014, at 19:03, Michael Sentance wrote: >> >> Norman Seeff who has brought us some iconic photos of Joni over the years >> recently posted a photo that I had not see before. I assume it's from the >> same session that gave us the cover of "Hejira". >> >> >> [image: View in Instagram] *Joni >> Mitchell, Los Angeles 1976* >> >> [ http://instagram.com/p/owYg--ELK7/ ] >> This is the link: http://instagram.com/p/owYg--ELK7/ >> >> Michael > > ------------------------------ > > End of JMDL Digest V2014 #862 > ***************************** > > ------- > To post messages to the list,sendtojoni@smoe.org. > Unsubscribe by clicking here: > mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe > ------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2014 15:54:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Paul Ivice Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #210 From: Ingrid Lochrenberg Subject: Later stuff I have decided that I like Joni's later music far more than the earlier songs, as they are so peppered with percussive rhythms. I think it's probably her incredible sense of rhythm combined with her lyrics that most distinguishes her from other musicians. Also, the words become more speculative and more interesting. I would never criticize anyone for liking any of Ms. Mitchell's music, but I would suggest yours is a minority opinion. If I recall correctly, you came upon Joni's music later in her career. I would be surprised if anyone who discovered her music at or before the Blue album, and watched Joni progress from folk to rock to jazz, would feel the same way. Personally, other than Night Ride Home, I don't find anything from Dog Eat Dog onward compelling. Mingus and Wild Things Run Fast are pretty much the last of her works I ever listen to. I would be curious, though, is there anyone who came on board Joni's music early in her career or because of her music up to and including C&S who likes her later stuff more? Paul Ivice ;>) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2014 16:49:49 -0700 From: "Cassy" Subject: Re: jmdl and joni Joni calls us her "internet people" and she loves us! Cassy - -----Original Message----- From: Ingrid Lochrenberg Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2014 1:09 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: jmdl and joni I was wondering about jmdl trying to persuade Joni to come to a gathering organized by Bob ( a suggestion, since you seem the most dedicated jmdl'er) . Or do you think we would count as the fans that she is thoroughly bored with? Why can't we organize a get -together months ahead (since some of us would need to travel from afar, and everyone has to plan and get organized), with the assurance of Joni that she will attend. Then of course it might be impossible to get hold of her....no wonder it is the destiny of these stars get lonely if they end up having to take recourse to complete isolation from the public in order to have manageable lives. So, IF someone can get hold of her, why don't we consider this as a possibility? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2014 22:09:18 +0200 From: Ingrid Lochrenberg Subject: jmdl and joni I was wondering about jmdl trying to persuade Joni to come to a gathering organized by Bob ( a suggestion, since you seem the most dedicated jmdl'er) . Or do you think we would count as the fans that she is thoroughly bored with? Why can't we organize a get -together months ahead (since some of us would need to travel from afar, and everyone has to plan and get organized), with the assurance of Joni that she will attend. Then of course it might be impossible to get hold of her....no wonder it is the destiny of these stars get lonely if they end up having to take recourse to complete isolation from the public in order to have manageable lives. So, IF someone can get hold of her, why don't we consider this as a possibility? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2014 20:36:16 -0700 From: "johncalimee@frontier.com" Subject: The Later/Better side of Joni A minority of at least two perhaps. I came in with Blue/Court and Spark. And most definitely I find her later work far more listenable and rewarding to my ears. As brilliant as Blue is, Ive listened to Chalk Mark 50 times more often than I've listened to Blue. Dancing Clown 100 times more often than River, as there are days I pull out Chalk Mark JUST to take in DC. There is no part of her journey I have not delighted in. And the later part of her journey is as rich and rewarding as the middle or beginning. At least to my ears. When the chapter is closed on my book, I will have listened to her voice, more than any other single human voice in the entirety of my life. Somewhere I lost track of 'albums' or records or CDs and it just became Joni, the voice in my life. Be it Joni in recording. Joni 'live.' Joni in conversation. -It's not like I pick up product and listen to it. And as an artist I most appreciate the journey of that voice and her music. Chalk Mark was described recently on the list as choral music. In some ways I like to think of it as some of her collage pieces. As she's said, she likes to take snippets of this take, snippets of that take and shape them together. It has the illusion of free form, but its not. It's an aural painting. Getting back to the praises of Dancing Clown..... On the one hand there's the serious, somber Joni. The one she lamented that came with the fame of Blue. She takes up the subject of love and lays some serious shit about what she sees in one person's obsession with another person. Which is legit. Like watching a scene from life and there's Jose Feliciano (sp?) having some serious dynamic going on with a woman. But it is just as likely one walks out into night life on the trendy side of town, taking in some random actors playing out an almost laughable game of cat and mouse -between some hottie who knows they are hot, being followed and swooned over by a string of 'damaged' hopefuls. In a certain light it is more comical than it is fodder for writing the next Hejira. -And that's what she did. Kept it light. If I want serious, I can listen to Blue. If I want happy, I can listen to Wild Things. If I'm thinking, "sometimes, Life, you just have to laugh at it, it can be so silly" -I pull out Dancing Clown. I can see Jesse, thinking with his little head, ( -and his large head not much brighter) going, "OooooohhhH Yeaaaaaahhhhhhhh." to some babe he wishes -or thinks- he has the charm to win over. It makes me laugh. And I delight in the word play of 'swoosh of jungle blades and the crackle of northern ice". It. is. fun. Because she did such a good job of painting a Starry Night does not mean I want her to paint it again for the next 30 years. Much as I am touched by Blue. If she'd never written Blue, I might long for something more from her cannon. But she did. Her cannon is so complete, so fascinating to me that all the eras have space to just be what they are. And if by luck or grace 'This Rain' becomes part of a new body of work, I will look at as a most familiar and beloved friend coming to my door for a visit. Living in the now. As much as delighting in the past. It's more fun that way. But then, I'm 'in the minority.' -And loving the hell out of it. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2014 21:29:21 -0700 From: "Cassy" Subject: "Until It's Gone" June 19th on Jimmy Kimmel the musical guest was Linkin Park. Their song immediately brought Joni to mind because of the title and the main lyric. "Until It's Gone" was originally recorded by the band for their sixth studio album, The Hunting Party, where it appears as the seventh track on the album. Produced by Mike Shinoda and Brad Delson, the track also appears on the single of the same name, which was released by Warner Bros. Records and Machine Shop on May 6, 2014. The single is the second to be released in promotion of bThe Hunting Partyb. Here are the lyrics: A fire needs a space to burn A breath to build a glow I've heard it said a thousand times But now I know That you don't know what you've got Oh you don't know what you've got No you don't know what you've got Until it's gone Until it's gone Until it's gone I thought I kept you safe and sound I thought I made you strong But something made me realize That I was wrong 'Cause finding what you got sometimes Means finding it alone And I can finally see your light When I let go 'Cause you don't know what you've got Until it's gone Until it's gone Until it's gone Until it's gone Until it's gone Until it's gone Until it's gone Until it's gone 'Cause you don't know what you've got Oh you don't know what you've got No you don't know what you've got It's your battle to be fought No you don't know what you've got 'Til it's gone 'Til it's gone 'Til it's gone For Linkin Park, itbs a bit of a departure and though the lyrics are repetitive, itbs not bad. ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #211 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here:mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe