From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #203 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Website:http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe:mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, June 14 2014 Volume 2014 : Number 203 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Something to look forward to! [Les Irvin ] Re: 'Hejira' Live at Carlsbad,Robin Adler and the Mutts of the Planet, June 1st. [Anita Gabrielle ] Re: Something to look forward to! [Anita Gabrielle ] RE: JMDL Digest V2014 #840 [Ingrid Lochrenberg ] [none] ["Pat Boland" ] Re: Alternative Hissing ? ["Randy Remote" ] Jm mention alert (in movie) [Marianne Rizzo ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2014 12:25:25 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: Something to look forward to! http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/proginfo/2014/26/girl-on-guitar ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2014 08:25:00 +0100 From: Anita Gabrielle Subject: Re: 'Hejira' Live at Carlsbad,Robin Adler and the Mutts of the Planet, June 1st. Thanks Sue and Jim for your kind words about my report about the Carlsbad event. Yes, it was an emotional experience for folk and I always find it deeply moving to be amongst people who care about Joni's music as much as I do. Having felt completely alone with my love of her music from 1968 until I joined the list over thirty years later, I find the experience profound. That Robin and Dave care so much about the music that they put together a concert of such brilliance does overwhelm me with joy, Anita > On 13 Jun 2014, at 00:41, "Susan E. McNamara" wrote: > > Hi Anita, > > I finally got the chance to sit down and read your wonderful report of the > Carlsbad Jonifest E I could just feel all the emotion your wrote about, > because I know how wonderful this event was, even though I couldnB9t be > there. I was so happy to be at the gig in New Orleans last October where > Dave and Robin played at that smokey bar E So thrilling!! Did they play > Dawntreader for you during your time there? So beautiful E I think that > Dave and Robin should do Song to a Seagull next E just an idea! Thanks > again Anita for taking the time to write and let us know, through your > eyes and ears, how special the Mutts of the Planet performance of Hejira > was for you. CanB9t wait for the DVD! > > Love Sue > >> On 6/9/14, 12:22 PM, "Anita G" wrote: >> >> It's 8771 kilometres, 5450 miles or 4736 nautical miles to travel from >> nearby Milton Keynes to far away San Diego. Every inch we travelled from >> our UK home to Carlsbad in Southern California was worthwhile to witness >> Robin Adler, Dave Blackburn and the Mutts of the Planet perform the >> extraordinary feat of playing 'Hejira' in its entirety. The compact >> Carlsbad Theatre, which seats 300, was perfect for the occasion. I >> couldn't >> see any empty seats. Steph and I sat about two thirds back, as centrally >> as >> possible to get the best location for the stereo sound and, at last, I was >> able to meet several JMDLers I had never met before and reacquaint myself >> with others. I was absolutely thrilled to be there! >> >> Five o' clock arrived and Dave Blackburn came on stage and talked about >> 'Hejira' in the context of Joni's career and events in her life around >> that >> time. I thought this worked really well and, when Dave called the band and >> Robin onstage, the crowd hushed and expectancy hung in the air b? so, >> unfortunately, did some kind of hum that was coming through the pa system. >> I felt for Dave in that moment as one of the band members said 'The hum is >> back'. I could imagine all the time and effort that, earlier in the day, >> would have gone in to tracing some tiny electrical imbalance or earth that >> just wasn't quite leaping some synapse or other. Knowing how much Dave >> seeks perfection in all things musical, the band started to checked their >> leads and pedals, looking about and hoping one wiggle or other would shut >> the hum up. It was a tense moment and I hoped frustration wouldn't get the >> better of them. >> >> When Robin finally said 'Let's go', I, along with many others, breathed >> out. We were off! Thankfully, the hum was inaudible live as the 'Coyote' >> riff kicked in. The sound balance was just brilliant. Every instrument >> from >> the bass drum upwards was balanced and in sync b? and when Robin came in >> with 'No regrets, coyote' her voice was clear, clean and sitting perfectly >> on top of the band. It was delightful. >> >> Robin was resplendent in white with a long short sleeved orange over >> jacket >> and matching orange shoes. Orange seemed the perfect choice of colour in >> chakra terms, being the colour of the sacral chakra which helps people >> express emotions without being overly emotional b? just what was needed to >> sing all the songs from 'Hejira'. If you believe in such things as >> chakras, >> the orange may have supported Robin when she untypically muffed a couple >> of >> words in 'Furry Sings the Blues', but that girl just got back on that >> horse >> and came back really strongly on 'Strange Boy'. But it was 'Hejira' when >> everyone took off, almost as though they were unleashed. It was simply >> astonishing. >> >> Dave played the dark Hejira riff solidly and cleanly over Danny Campbell's >> expressive and subtle drums and when Kevin Hennessy's broody bass entered >> the equation, I knew we were into something special. And I was right. >> Robin >> ripped into every word, bringing new meaning and depth to the poetry, >> whilst sitting underneath, quietly and adding texture to the song was the >> electric guitar of Jamie Kime. Slowly and quietly, Kime's guitar began to >> climb up in the mix, vividly expressing granite markers, waxy candles and >> mortality with an overwhelming urgency that began screaming by the end. >> Applause at the end of his wonderful solo killed any chance I had of >> hearing how the band resolved into the moody ending that emerged, but I >> could understand the crowd's enthusiasm for his playing. It was simply >> stunning. >> >> 'Song for Sharon' saw the addition of three backing vocalists, Sheryl >> Goodman, Mo Mullins, Lisa Hightower, who were wonderfully adept and, >> again, >> I marvelled at the sound balance. Their vocals sat exactly where they >> should and no-one seemed to be straining. 'Black Crow' followed and was my >> second favourite of the afternoon, with the band winding up as they had in >> 'Hejira' and Robin allowing herself to do some scatting of which I would >> have welcomed more! 'Blue Motel Room' was Paz's favourite, saying that he >> was particularly taken by Dave's guitar style on the song. It was horrible >> when 'Refuge of the Roads' was being played, simply because the gig was >> almost over, but reach the end we did. >> >> As the last notes faded, the audience leapt as one to its feet and clapped >> and cheered. An encore or two was inevitable. An unexpected medley from >> 'Court and Spark' was greeted ecstatically by the crowd and even more loud >> cheers meant that the band had to perform another song. I personally was >> delighted when Robin said that she'd like to have another at 'Furry.' >> Harmonica player Jeffrey Joe came back on stage. I had goose bumps second >> time around as Jeffrey's reverbed and tasteful harmonica brough old Beale >> Street echoing in from the past. This gave Robin, Dave and the Mutts the >> cover of the song in the way they truly wanted and the way the song >> deserves. The whole event was a triumph. >> >> I feel it's highly unlikely I will ever have the chance to witness one of >> my favourite albums of all time delivered in such a unique way, with >> musicality, competence, passion, feel and heart. I felt so proud that, >> through JMDL, I know the people who have brought this all together and, I >> have to say, a week after the event, I am still marvelling at the >> achievement. Simply stunning.Somehow, the next day, Robin cooked all us >> JMDlers and their assorted musician friends a lasagne at her and Dave's >> house. We sat all day playing and singing music. I looked around the porch >> at one point and felt so grateful to have had the chance to be part of >> such >> an extraordinary and wonderful occasion. Along with 'thanks', the word >> 'privilege' still keeps crossing my mind. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2014 09:17:58 -0700 From: Mary Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2014 #840 Anima Rising Shari, I think you hit the nail on the head. I had always read those lines sort of that way, but I hadn't contributed to that long ago thread on "Notches, Liberation Doll". The way you put it, so simply, yes, I agree. Anne, I too groaned a little on an old subject, but you really got me to thinking. Kudos to your research & yes, our Miss Joni does not say things idly-she's always linking in imagery to stuff she's learning...I like your take on the Ethiopian wall & yes....it's another boyfriend who can't handle her in the end, but she doesn't let it get her down, despite the derision from him. Anima rising, indeed. When she is talking about a "heart like Mary's" perhaps she is asking for some help, some strength. GREETINGS FROM THE TRIPLE M Down a gravel road, where the barb wire meets the sky. MARY M. MORRIS > Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2014 03:00:03 -0400 > From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org > To: joni-digest@smoe.org > Subject: JMDL Digest V2014 #840 > > > JMDL Digest Friday, June 13 2014 Volume 2014 : Number 840 > > > > ========== > > TOPICS and authors in this Digest: > -------- > Re: Your notches, liberation doll [Anne Sandstrom ] > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2014 00:31:41 +0000 (UTC) > From: Anne Sandstrom > Subject: Re: Your notches, liberation doll > > At first I groaned when I saw the subject. But then I decided to start > doing a little research. Joni doesn't say things idly. I wondered about > "Ethiopian wall." Enter the city known as Harar. It's a walled city in > Ethiopia. According to http://joshuaproject.net/people_groups/12063/ET, > "Women make up a solid force in Harari culture. Unlike the women of many > other Muslims cultures, the Harari women lead vigorous and > visible-although separate-social lives. They are not required to wear the > traditional Muslim veil." Do you suppose Joni was referring to the women > of Harar, albeit obliquely? Looking at the references to drinking later > in the song, I do think the "room full of glasses" refers to drinking - > but I'm thinking it's HER drinking. (I'm thinking of the scene in Raiders > of the Lost Ark where Marian drinks all the guys under the table. > Although HOSL predates Raiders by 6 years.) He says "A roomful of > glasses. Your notches, liberation doll." But then he chains her with a > serpent (sex and/or guilt for sin?) to the Ethiopian wall. The other > thought I've had is that this is an obscure reference of some kind. If I > could meet Joni, I think it's the one thing I'd ask. What does "your > notches, liberation doll" refer to? lots of love,Anne on Jun 12, 2014, > Shari wrote: > > Suddenly I understood that to mean 'you are driving me to drink' > > Referring to the roomful of glasses as the notches in her belt. AKA > the beating he's taken from struggling with the question of women > gaining power. > > Thoughts? > > Lots of Joni, > Shari > > ------------------------------ > > End of JMDL Digest V2014 #840 > ***************************** > > ------- > To post messages to the list,sendtojoni@smoe.org. > Unsubscribe by clicking here: > mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe > ------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2014 22:14:53 +0100 From: Anita Gabrielle Subject: Re: Something to look forward to! BBC Radio 2 does it again. Not only do they pay tribute to Joni on my 60th birthday, they do our girl justice by recognising her ability on the strings. Good ol' Cerys Matthews. Did her band Catatonia do anything in the US of A or completely unknown to those of you across the pond? Anita > On 13 Jun 2014, at 19:25, Les Irvin wrote: > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/proginfo/2014/26/girl-on-guitar ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2014 05:56:07 -0700 (PDT) From: LC Stanley Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #840 Hi Shari, On Friday, June 13, 2014 2:01 AM, JMDL Digest wrote: JMDL DigestB B B B B Friday, June 13 2014B B B B B Volume 2014 : Number 840 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: - -------- B Re: Your notches, liberation dollB B [Anne Sandstrom ] - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2014 00:31:41 +0000 (UTC) From: Anne Sandstrom Subject: Re: Your notches, liberation doll At first I groaned when I saw the subject. But then I decided to start doing a little research. Joni doesn't say things idly. I wondered about "Ethiopian wall." Enter the city known as Harar. It's a walled city in Ethiopia. According to http://joshuaproject.net/people_groups/12063/ET, "Women make up a solid force in Harari culture. Unlike the women of many other Muslims cultures, the Harari women lead vigorous and visible-although separate-social lives. They are not required to wear the traditional Muslim veil." Do you suppose Joni was referring to the women of Harar, albeit obliquely? Looking at the references to drinking later in the song, I do think the "room full of glasses" refers to drinking - but I'm thinking it's HER drinking. (I'm thinking of the scene in Raiders of the Lost Ark where Marian drinks all the guys under the table. Although HOSL predates Raiders by 6 years.) He says "A roomful of glasses. Your notches, liberation doll." But then he chains her with a serpent (sex and/or guilt for sin?) to the Ethiopian wall. The other thought I've had is that this is an obscure reference of some kind. If I could meet Joni, I think it's the one thing I'd ask. What does "your notches, liberation doll" refer to? lots of love,Anne on Jun 12, 2014, Shari wrote: B Suddenly I understood that to mean 'you are driving me to drink' B Referring to the roomful of glasses as the notches in her belt. AKA B the beating he's taken from struggling with the question of women B gaining power. B Thoughts? B Lots of Joni, B Shari - ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2014 #840 ***************************** - ------- To post messages to the list,sendtojoni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe - ------- I don't know really, but my thoughts are the notches on the handle of a gun of an outlaw representing numbers of people killed like the number of glasses are notches representing the number of men she's killed figuratively. B I don't think the song is just women's lib though. B B B B B It seems like Dylan said in his old biography I read something about leaving home at 17 and having nobody over him after that age. B It is a typical age to leave home and gain freedom. B B B The song is freeingb& my anima (soul) rises when I listen to it. B Joni is good for my soul. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2014 20:55:32 +0200 From: Ingrid Lochrenberg Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2014 #840 Great that some are taking her words seriously - joni said in some interview that people don't really pay attention i.e., really read, her lyrics. Thanks you!! ...when people gloss over words and their literal meaning there is potentially only a subjective interpretation, hanging on the figurative or symbolic. > Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2014 03:00:03 -0400 > From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org > To: joni-digest@smoe.org > Subject: JMDL Digest V2014 #840 > > > JMDL Digest Friday, June 13 2014 Volume 2014 : Number 840 > > > > ========== > > TOPICS and authors in this Digest: > -------- > Re: Your notches, liberation doll [Anne Sandstrom ] > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2014 00:31:41 +0000 (UTC) > From: Anne Sandstrom > Subject: Re: Your notches, liberation doll > > At first I groaned when I saw the subject. But then I decided to start > doing a little research. Joni doesn't say things idly. I wondered about > "Ethiopian wall." Enter the city known as Harar. It's a walled city in > Ethiopia. According to http://joshuaproject.net/people_groups/12063/ET, > "Women make up a solid force in Harari culture. Unlike the women of many > other Muslims cultures, the Harari women lead vigorous and > visible-although separate-social lives. They are not required to wear the > traditional Muslim veil." Do you suppose Joni was referring to the women > of Harar, albeit obliquely? Looking at the references to drinking later > in the song, I do think the "room full of glasses" refers to drinking - > but I'm thinking it's HER drinking. (I'm thinking of the scene in Raiders > of the Lost Ark where Marian drinks all the guys under the table. > Although HOSL predates Raiders by 6 years.) He says "A roomful of > glasses. Your notches, liberation doll." But then he chains her with a > serpent (sex and/or guilt for sin?) to the Ethiopian wall. The other > thought I've had is that this is an obscure reference of some kind. If I > could meet Joni, I think it's the one thing I'd ask. What does "your > notches, liberation doll" refer to? lots of love,Anne on Jun 12, 2014, > Shari wrote: > > Suddenly I understood that to mean 'you are driving me to drink' > > Referring to the roomful of glasses as the notches in her belt. AKA > the beating he's taken from struggling with the question of women > gaining power. > > Thoughts? > > Lots of Joni, > Shari > > ------------------------------ > > End of JMDL Digest V2014 #840 > ***************************** > > ------- > To post messages to the list,sendtojoni@smoe.org. > Unsubscribe by clicking here: > mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe > ------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2014 01:45:47 +1000 From: "Pat Boland" Subject: [none] Posted by me on fb prompted by this post:" "The business is sick. And music and the genuinely gifted, such as myself, and there aren't a lot in any generation, being shunned from the airwaves in favor of tits-and-ass bubble gum kind of junk food is a tragedy." - Joni Mitchell "As you may know I had the huge good fortune to meet and come to know Joni as a friend in 1966, 2 years before she made her first album... and there's something I want to share with you. (again) Joni traveled all over the country back then, by bus and train and I think she even hitched sometimes. She lived on very little... Just look at the cover charge on this ad for our club where she played and that's with a headcount of about 60 SRO. Do the math: (AD SHOWING COVER CHARGE AS $1.50) My point is there were these agents who came whenever she played always trying to get backstage to talk to her and Joni tasked me with keeping them away from her. She explained to me that all they wanted was to get her to sign what she called an 'Elvis contract', meaning a standard contract which bound the artist to a certain number of singles and albums per year… and Joni just would NOT subject herself and her ART to this kind of assembly line business, so you see, she has had this adversarial relationship with the music business since the beginning. She could have been riding high and sitting pretty long before she did on her own terms, all she had to do is sign. No… not Joni Mitchell. I have always had the greatest respect for her because of this." Cheers, Pat ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2014 17:20:17 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Alternative Hissing ? OK, reboot: I'm not talking about the Seeding of Summer Lawns, Hissing Demos or whatever you want to call them. What I heard was the SONG THOSL, full studio version, background vocals, the same jazz guys on the album version, but slightly, and definitely different. RR >> Randy, >> >> I think many listers have this, and nowadays it should be >> possible to e-mail it over in wave files. I'll look for mine. >> >> John ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2014 21:22:46 -0400 From: Marianne Rizzo Subject: Jm mention alert (in movie) Hi all, Good tidings and happy weekend and I hope all good things for you all joni friends. I am watching a movie with Michelle Pfeiffer entitled, "People Like Us." She mentioned joni twice so far! I just paused it. She said, "He said I reminded him of joni Mitchell" (referring to her TO BE husband). There was one scene just a few minutes before that MP actually DID remind me of joni. "She's the reason I moved here. I heard her voice on the radio and said, why can't that be me? I can sing.. . . Everybody said it." (MP speaking of joni) It is a pretty okay movie so far: "people like us" (2012) It got me thinking that Michelle Pfeiffer could play joni. . . .You know in the "movie." "Pfeiffer was born in Santa Ana, California, the second of four children of Richard Pfeiffer, a heating and air-conditioning contractor." *In this movie Michelle Pfeiffer plays a slightly darker, more solemn and cool character. Anyway, I assume someone has mentioned this movie. I just missed it. If you happen to have the discussion handy and you can send it, thanks. Happy June everyone. I think I should write a song happy June. Marianne ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #203 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here:mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe