From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #200 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Website:http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe:mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Monday, June 9 2014 Volume 2014 : Number 200 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- For The Roses [jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com] RE: For The Roses [Richard Flynn ] RE: JMDL Digest V2014 #807 ["johnnybgoode@lineone.net" ] Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #812 [ingrid lochrenberg ] Shine [Laura Stanley ] Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #809 [Clint Norwood ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2014 21:01:39 -0400 From: jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com Subject: For The Roses I love Joni's album, "For The Roses" very much. There is something sensitive yet incisive about the piano at the beginning of "The Banquet". It is superficially cheerful but thought provoking. It is sweet like "Morning Morgantown", but her smarts were on full alert. She is a grownup, firing on all cylinders. Jim L'Hommedieu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2014 21:35:46 -0400 From: Richard Flynn Subject: RE: For The Roses Sometimes it's #1 and sometimes Hejira is #1. I think I should just say they are tied for 1st. Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
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From: jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com
Date:06/09/2014 9:01 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: joni@smoe.org
Subject: For The Roses
I love Joni's album, "For The Roses" very much. There is something sensitive yet incisive about the piano at the beginning of "The Banquet". It is superficially cheerful but thought provoking. It is sweet like "Morning Morgantown", but her smarts were on full alert. She is a grownup, firing on all cylinders. Jim L'Hommedieu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2014 21:17:32 +0100 (BST) From: "johnnybgoode@lineone.net" Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2014 #807 Ingrid, I wouldn't go so far as to say in effect date or domestic rape. If anything "he" is using social convention to control "her". If anything it is a dilemma faced by some women today; is it better to have a bad and possibly abusive boyfriend or not at all? Do women have to appear unchallenging to attract rich and successful men? I take anima rising to be female self-respect self-expression and strength, standing up for what they believe in rather than pregnancy, and I see the relationships themselves representing "death and birth" without evolution. I think that societal mores including marriage and stereotypical fashion roles "rebel loves a cause" are the targets? If read the petrification bit as alongside the more normal if not traditional marriage roles are head-headed logical man and expressive emotive women . This does then rather degenerate into Rich man with Trophy chattel women. Man makes the money to quote the J Brown song, and all the horrible results, (think professional sportsmen, celebrities). Financial Dependence "Bring that bottle kindly And I'll pad your purse" And finally a common Joni theme, being attracted to selfish unreliable men. Bad boys in black. John >----Original Message---- >From: low-tide@outlook.com >Date: 06/06/2014 19:31 >To: "joni@smoe.org" >Subj: RE: JMDL Digest V2014 #807 > >Thanks John. What would you think of my suggestion that it describes being >raped and then being back in the pub setting....possibly falling pregnant >(anima rising, uprising in me tonight )...him saying "we walked on the moon, >be polite" and the other lines are about disillusionment -"the truth going up >in vapors"... and "God goes up the chimney"....(I thought she sang " the good >slaves LEFT the good book"?)...possibly the rape is a death, that leads to a >birth...there are many phrases I don't understand, for instance" petrified >wood process, tall timber down to rock)...then it ends of by saying , you need >a heart like Mary when your man gets weak.......after being raped, either >there is capitulating terror, and/or all love focusses on the child. > >I am slightly anxious to present such a way-out interpretation-no doubt it >will be unwelcome to some...I simply must and have to a degree learnt not to >be too affected by what others may think of me( I think Joni would approve >though). So here I present this interpretation,..... and I will just 'let the >wind carry me'. > > >> Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2014 14:53:44 -0400 >> From: owner-joni-digest@smoe. org >> To: joni-digest@smoe.org >> Subject: JMDL Digest V2014 #807 >> >> >> JMDL Digest Friday, June 6 2014 Volume 2014 : Number >807 >> >> >> >> ========== >> >> TOPICS and authors in this Digest: >> -------- >> Don't interrupt the Sorrow ["johnnybgoode@lineone.net" >> >> - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2014 19:53:08 +0100 (BST) >> From: "johnnybgoode@lineone.net" >> Subject: Don't interrupt the Sorrow >> >> Ingrid, >> >> In rough terms I see it as being about: >> >> Relationships and >> male and female roles, Sexism and feminism. >> >> Religion, Power over >> others, and desire for Freedom. >> >> The endless cycles of personal >> frustration without real progress or improvement, >> >> and the need to take >> personal responsibility, despite temptation, disappointment and >> personal weakness. >> >> Lyrics below >> >> John >> >> http://jonimitchell.com/music/song.cfm?id=105>> >> - ------------------------------ >> >> End of JMDL Digest V2014 #807 >> ***************************** >> >> ------- >> To post messages to the list,sendtojoni@smoe.org. >> Unsubscribe by clicking here: >> mailto: joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe >> ------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2014 18:16:22 -0400 From: Marianne Rizzo Subject: Don't interrupt the sorrow "there are many phrases I don't understand, for instance" petrified wood process, tall timber down to rock)" This is the one phrase that I seemed to understand ( "I think I understand") Well, for me it means, like we were once tall timber ( like a vibrant tree) and now I have hardened so ( the petrified wood process) and probably once a tree myself, me thinkz) I resonate with this. . . . Turning hard, like petrified wood. Marianne ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2014 22:16:09 +0000 From: ingrid lochrenberg Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #812 Oh, i also meant to say that " a heart like Mary" could suggest a child that may as well have been conceived alone, as one feels completely disdainful of the father. - ------Original Message------ From: JMDL Digest Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org To: joni-digest@smoe.org ReplyTo: joni@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2014 #812 Sent: Jun 6, 2014 11:36 PM JMDL Digest Friday, June 6 2014 Volume 2014 : Number 812 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: - -------- Don't Interrupt The Sorrow [Laura O ] - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2014 16:35:14 -0500 From: Laura O Subject: Don't Interrupt The Sorrow Ingrid said "...then it ends of by saying , you need a heart like Mary when your man gets weak.......after being raped, either there is capitulating terror, and/or all love focusses on the child." Keeping in context of the one particular verse, the verses right before this is: "He lies and he cheats" My thoughts are that 'when your man gets weak' would be a disappointment (sorrow) that he would display such a weak character of outwardly and secretively boozing, lying and womanizing/cheating. Hard to respect and forgive such a betrayal (heart like Mary's). Here in this 1983 version Joni sings the lyrics as: "Suck Down All Those Bottles Did Up All Those Lines................ (can't make out these words....lies/lines....drugs?) Had All Those Other Women Clandestine" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EsKgeiic0k Shows a man of weak character, secrecy and giving into all sorts of temptations. The meat of this song ....according to this new 2013 quote of Joni's in an article here: '1975's /Don't Interrupt The Sorrow/ (which she introduced as "the closest I ever came to being a feminist")' http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2680&from=search Laura *********FREE PAINT****************** http://kellymoore.com/promotions/free-color-sample - ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2014 #812 ***************************** - ------- To post messages to the list,sendtojoni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe - ------- Sent from my BlackBerry. wireless device ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2014 21:29:20 -0500 From: Laura Stanley Subject: Shine Wow I just saw that the album "Shine" is in the Complete So Far book!! YAY!!! Sent from my iPhone ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2014 13:49:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Clint Norwood Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #809 I think that this interpretations thing that you guys are doing is great. Please do more :) - -Clint Norwood On Friday, June 6, 2014 3:21 PM, JMDL Digest wrote: JMDL Digest Friday, June 6 2014 Volume 2014 : Number 809 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: - -------- RE: JMDL Digest V2014 #807 ["johnnybgoode@lineone.net" Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2014 #807 Ingrid, I wouldn't go so far as to say in effect date or domestic rape. If anything "he" is using social convention to control "her". If anything it is a dilemma faced by some women today; is it better to have a bad and possibly abusive boyfriend or not at all? Do women have to appear unchallenging to attract rich and successful men? I take anima rising to be female self-respect self-expression and strength, standing up for what they believe in rather than pregnancy, and I see the relationships themselves representing "death and birth" without evolution. I think that societal mores including marriage and stereotypical fashion roles "rebel loves a cause" are the targets? If read the petrification bit as alongside the more normal if not traditional marriage roles are head-headed logical man and expressive emotive women . This does then rather degenerate into Rich man with Trophy chattel women. Man makes the money to quote the J Brown song, and all the horrible results, (think professional sportsmen, celebrities). Financial Dependence "Bring that bottle kindly And I'll pad your purse" And finally a common Joni theme, being attracted to selfish unreliable men. Bad boys in black. John >----Original Message---- >From: low-tide@outlook.com >Date: 06/06/2014 19:31 >To: "joni@smoe.org" >Subj: RE: JMDL Digest V2014 #807 > >Thanks John. What would you think of my suggestion that it describes being >raped and then being back in the pub setting....possibly falling pregnant >(anima rising, uprising in me tonight )...him saying "we walked on the moon, >be polite" and the other lines are about disillusionment -"the truth going up >in vapors"... and "God goes up the chimney"....(I thought she sang " the good >slaves LEFT the good book"?)...possibly the rape is a death, that leads to a >birth...there are many phrases I don't understand, for instance" petrified >wood process, tall timber down to rock)...then it ends of by saying , you need >a heart like Mary when your man gets weak.......after being raped, either >there is capitulating terror, and/or all love focusses on the child. > >I am slightly anxious to present such a way-out interpretation-no doubt it >will be unwelcome to some...I simply must and have to a degree learnt not to >be too affected by what others may think of me( I think Joni would approve >though). So here I present this interpretation,..... and I will just 'let the >wind carry me'. > > >> Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2014 14:53:44 -0400 >> From: owner-joni-digest@smoe. org >> To: joni-digest@smoe.org >> Subject: JMDL Digest V2014 #807 >> >> >> JMDL Digest Friday, June 6 2014 Volume 2014 : Number >807 >> >> >> >> ========== >> >> TOPICS and authors in this Digest: >> -------- >> Don't interrupt the Sorrow ["johnnybgoode@lineone.net" >> >> - - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2014 19:53:08 +0100 (BST) >> From: "johnnybgoode@lineone.net" >> Subject: Don't interrupt the Sorrow >> >> Ingrid, >> >> In rough terms I see it as being about: >> >> Relationships and >> male and female roles, Sexism and feminism. >> >> Religion, Power over >> others, and desire for Freedom. >> >> The endless cycles of personal >> frustration without real progress or improvement, >> >> and the need to take >> personal responsibility, despite temptation, disappointment and >> personal weakness. >> >> Lyrics below >> >> John >> >> http://jonimitchell.com/music/song.cfm?id=105>> >> - - - ------------------------------ >> >> End of JMDL Digest V2014 #807 >> ***************************** >> >> ------- >> To post messages to the list,sendtojoni@smoe.org. >> Unsubscribe by clicking here: >> mailto: joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe >> ------- - ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2014 #809 ***************************** - ------- To post messages to the list,sendtojoni@smoe.org. 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