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onlyJMDL Digest         Monday, June 9 2014         Volume 2014 : Number 198



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TOPICS and authors in this Digest:
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  Re: The Hunting of the Snark       [Richard Flynn <rflynn@frontiernet.net>]
  Chuck Mitchell sings "The Circle Game" by Joni Mitchell  [Laura Stanley <s]
  Re: The Hunting of the Snark  ["johnnybgoode@lineone.net" <johnnybgoode@li]
  Re: The Hunting of the Snark                            [kbhla@fastmail.fm]
  Re: Anima and Marcie  ["johnnybgoode@lineone.net" <johnnybgoode@lineone.ne]
  Re: Don't Interrupt The Sorrow  [ingrid lochrenberg <low-tide@outlook.com>]

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Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2014 20:15:43 -0400
From: Richard Flynn <rflynn@frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: The Hunting of the Snark

The snark was a boojum, you see.



Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone

<div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>From: kbhla@fastmail.fm </div><div>Date:06/08/2014  7:14 PM  (GMT-05:00) </div><div>To: joni@smoe.org </div><div>Subject: Re: The Hunting of the Snark </div><div>
</div>Love Lewis Carroll and didn't know about this one. 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hunting_of_the_Snark

Kakki

> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2014 23:37:54 +0100 (BST)
> From: "johnnybgoode@lineone.net" <johnnybgoode@lineone.net>
> Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #829
> 
> Your Highness,
> 
> How is the Hunting Of The Snark related to this, other 
> than in the sense of a rag-tag group looking for something that isn't 
> there?
> 
> John
> 
> >----Original Message----
> >From: csmitchell7@earthlink.
> net
> >Date: 08/06/2014 21:36
> >To: <joni@smoe.org>
> >Subj: Re: JMDL Digest 
> V2014 #829
> >
> >Re: bb&your cogent & lived in responses to Ingrid's 
> queriesb&b
> >
> > 
> >
> >All,
> >
> > 
> >
> >As I recall,  Mary <joni2city@hotmail.
> com>  and Susan  <sem8@cornell.edu
> >> jibe with reality.
> >
> > 
> >
> 
> >Ingrid  <low-tide@outlook.com> sails away, far away.  That is not a 
> bad
> >thing.  
> >
> > 
> >
> >But it isb&what it is.  Cf:
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snark_%28Lewis_Carroll%29
> >
> > 
> >
> >Yours  
> truly,
> >
> > 
> >
> >the Tenement King
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Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2014 10:57:13 -0500
From: Laura Stanley <sillyseabird7@yahoo.com>
Subject: Chuck Mitchell sings "The Circle Game" by Joni Mitchell

When I listen to Joni's early stuff like the second fret set, I can't help but hear Chuck's style.
 
Don't know if this has been posted before or not, but here is a 1987 video of Chuck Mitchell live:

http://youtu.be/rUkKMGsDZ0w


Sent from my iPhone

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Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2014 00:42:48 +0100 (BST)
From: "johnnybgoode@lineone.net" <johnnybgoode@lineone.net>
Subject: Re: The Hunting of the Snark

All,

Did the Snark have eyes that were the colour of the sand and the 
sea? Were his promises as concrete as his physical manifestations. Was 
he really looking for a woman with a boojum?

John

>----Original 
Message----
>From: kbhla@fastmail.fm
>Date: 08/06/2014 23:14
>To: 
<joni@smoe.org>
>Subj: Re: The Hunting of the Snark
>
>Love Lewis 
Carroll and didn't know about this one. 
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hunting_of_the_Snark>
>Kakki
>
>> 
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>> 
>> Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2014 23:37:54 +0100 (BST)
>> From: 
"johnnybgoode@lineone.net" <johnnybgoode@lineone.net>
>> Subject: Re: 
JMDL Digest V2014 #829
>> 
>> Your Highness,
>> 
>> How is the Hunting 
Of The Snark related to this, other 
>> than in the sense of a rag-tag 
group looking for something that isn't 
>> there?
>> 
>> John
>> 
>> 
>----Original Message----
>> >From: csmitchell7@earthlink.
>> net
>> 
>Date: 08/06/2014 21:36
>> >To: <joni@smoe.org>
>> >Subj: Re: JMDL 
Digest 
>> V2014 #829
>> >
>> >Re: bb&your cogent & lived in responses 
to Ingrid's 
>> queriesb&b
>> >
>> > 
>> >
>> >All,
>> >
>> > 
>> >
>> 
>As I recall,  Mary <joni2city@hotmail.
>> com>  and Susan  
<sem8@cornell.edu
>> >> jibe with reality.
>> >
>> > 
>> >
>> 
>> 
>Ingrid  <low-tide@outlook.com> sails away, far away.  That is not a 

>> bad
>> >thing.  
>> >
>> > 
>> >
>> >But it isb&what it is.  Cf:
>> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snark_%28Lewis_Carroll%29>> >
>> > 

>> >
>> >Yours  
>> truly,
>> >
>> > 
>> >
>> >the Tenement King
>---

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Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2014 16:14:25 -0700
From: kbhla@fastmail.fm
Subject: Re: The Hunting of the Snark

Love Lewis Carroll and didn't know about this one. 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hunting_of_the_Snark

Kakki

> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2014 23:37:54 +0100 (BST)
> From: "johnnybgoode@lineone.net" <johnnybgoode@lineone.net>
> Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #829
> 
> Your Highness,
> 
> How is the Hunting Of The Snark related to this, other 
> than in the sense of a rag-tag group looking for something that isn't 
> there?
> 
> John
> 
> >----Original Message----
> >From: csmitchell7@earthlink.
> net
> >Date: 08/06/2014 21:36
> >To: <joni@smoe.org>
> >Subj: Re: JMDL Digest 
> V2014 #829
> >
> >Re: bb&your cogent & lived in responses to Ingrid's 
> queriesb&b
> >
> > 
> >
> >All,
> >
> > 
> >
> >As I recall,  Mary <joni2city@hotmail.
> com>  and Susan  <sem8@cornell.edu
> >> jibe with reality.
> >
> > 
> >
> 
> >Ingrid  <low-tide@outlook.com> sails away, far away.  That is not a 
> bad
> >thing.  
> >
> > 
> >
> >But it isb&what it is.  Cf:
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snark_%28Lewis_Carroll%29
> >
> > 
> >
> >Yours  
> truly,
> >
> > 
> >
> >the Tenement King
- ---

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Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2014 00:45:12 +0100 (BST)
From: "johnnybgoode@lineone.net" <johnnybgoode@lineone.net>
Subject: Re: Anima and Marcie

All,

Ingrid,

I do think that these lyrics are rather clear. In that 
she is saying that Marcie is lonely. I have a problem in linking rape 
to little green. I prefer to think that she trusted, believed promises, 
loved and was not particularly let down, but choose something else to 
better suit her ambitions. We are all the beneficiaries of her pain 
over it.

But then again I am not a pregnant young girl.

John 

>----
Original Message----
>From: low-tide@outlook.com
>Date: 06/06/2014 22:
26
>To: <joni@smoe.org>
>Subj: Anima and Marcie
>
>Those lines in 
Marcie "Marcie's faucet needs a plumber, marcie's sorrow needs a man" 
could refer to a transgender woman/ man.....and Anima suggest. A female 
with male bravado  that ensues from a rape. Sortav a divine 
retaliation. She also speaks of "choosing a name she would answer to" 
and then names her child Kelly Dale which is quite androgynous...not 
that Kilauren seems remotely androgynous.
>Sent from my BlackBerry. 
wireless device

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Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2014 21:51:51 +0000
From: ingrid lochrenberg <low-tide@outlook.com>
Subject: Re: Don't Interrupt The Sorrow

Yesi there are a few lines, like that one, that goes against my  theory. But it could be a criminal lyoing and cheating? And what about death and birrh? And god going up the chimney and the steeples or something toppling- sounds like an instant disillusionment and shock. But your point is certainly taken. Thanks
Sent from my BlackBerry. wireless device

- -----Original Message-----
From: Laura O <aptakisic101@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2014 16:35:14 
To: joni@smoe.org<joni@smoe.org>; Ingrid Lochrenberg<low-tide@outlook.com>
Subject: Don't Interrupt The Sorrow

Ingrid said

"...then it ends of by saying , you need
a heart like Mary when your man gets weak.......after being raped, either
there is capitulating terror, and/or all love focusses on the child."


Keeping in context of the one particular verse, the verses right before this is:
"He lies and he cheats"

My thoughts are that 'when your man gets weak' would
be a disappointment (sorrow) that he
would display such a weak character of
outwardly and secretively boozing, lying and womanizing/cheating.
Hard to respect and forgive such a betrayal (heart like Mary's).

Here in this 1983 version Joni sings the lyrics as:
"Suck Down All Those Bottles
Did Up All Those Lines................ (can't make out these 
words....lies/lines....drugs?)
Had All Those Other Women
Clandestine"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EsKgeiic0k

Shows a man of weak character, secrecy and giving into all sorts of 
temptations.

The meat of this song ....according to this new 2013 quote of Joni's in 
an article here:
'1975's /Don't Interrupt The Sorrow/ (which she introduced as "the 
closest I ever came to being a feminist")'
http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2680&from=search

Laura

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